Actually a V6 05 mustang. I was sitting at the light minding my own when this yellow 05 pulls along side. I had the feeling he was looking at me so I figured he would hit it when the light turned green. I was not sure if it was a v6 at first. When the light turned green he gunned it so i followed suit and put a couple car lengths on him. We took it to about 60. I guess he should paid extra for the V8. I knew it was a v6 because I saw the grill in my rearview as I was handing him his azzzzz!!!!!!
305 power!!!!!

 

Y e e h a w. Give me the Cobra with it's almighty 5.3 (or whatever) supercharged crap. Do you ever wonder why GM never threw in a supercharger on their naturally aspirated LS1 engines? Because Ford would have their a*s handed to them

 

well actually we already hand ford their *** and we do it na

 

ummmmm.... an '03 and 04 cobra will put down 370 to the wheels bone stock. Another $1000 in mods will net it 500+ at the wheels. This is weak though because it is only a 4.6L. Sure GM could have supercahrged the LS1 but they didn't.

 

Cobras arent wimpy at all but they would get destroyed if GM created TAs/Zs with superchargers

OWNED without a damn doubt

whats funny is *slightly* modded LS1s can still hang with/sometimes beat supercharged cobras pretty sad when your supercharged and still cant win

 

as much as love cobras and respect them, it is sad that the NA LS1 with all the bolt ons can pretty much own a cobra. a cobra pushin 15+psi is making like 500+rwhp. LS1 can do that on 9spi and bolt ons.

anyway those new V6 stangs have some bite. its a 4.0 or 4.2 liter 6 i believe with some power

 

The new 05 V6 Stangs are super slow, mainly because they are so damn heavy. As for a GT, well there was one down at our local 1/8th mile track, guy just bought it, auto with some ugly *** 20 in rims on it, bright yellow sallen wing. Anyways, he didnt know hsit but was talking to some ricers and they wre telling him itwas a Big block and such. Im laughing of course. I eneded up beating him with my 9.31 run as he ran a pathetic 9.46.....seriously, thats is horrible out a car with high 13's potential. Bad driver and it was a pig with those wheels....The expression on his face when I told him I had 223xxx miles on my Fox Body was priceless .

 

Any car would be faster if the manufactuer put blowers on their car. That is not the point. Sure bolt on LS1's can usually stay close to 03/04 cobras but who cares? If you took that same amount of money and put it into the cobra you would have more power. As I said before $1000 in bolt ons will literally add over 100hp to the rear wheels. I would love to see you beat that hp/$ ratio in any other car.

We all know that the larger an engine is the more potential it has. So it is stupid to say well an LS1 will make more power with the same mods. We know that is true. However, the LS1 makes about 350 at the crank (We all know how their underrated). The cobras make about 440 at the crank (ford underrated these things soooo much). So you already have a car with 100 more hp and it already has forged guts (LS1 doesn't and won't last with boost without them), a blower (LS1 doesn't), spacer for a huge exhaust (LS1 doesn't). It just comes with a better start from the get-go. GM didn't need to boost the LS1 at the time.

 

Very True. The 03-04 cobra is teh best bang for buck car out there right now in my opinion. just a few mods and its deep into the 11's with a good driver. Anyone who doesn't think the 03-04 is a worthy competitor to the LS1 is a fool.

 

Here we go with the ignorance pouring in from people who dont know...

You really think GM decided to not SC their cars because they would beat Ford. Really, you sure you dont wanna rethink that? GM doest throw an SC on, because you DONT just slap a SC on. You pretty much have to rework the motor to reliably throw on a power adder. Ford didnt just slap an SC on, they detuned, and used almost all different parts compared to the NA versions. For those who think an LS1 would be the same 300 rwhp motor with an SC bolted on, open your eyes, it wouldnt, like the Cobra wasnt just an NA 01 with an SC bolted on. Bolt on one to an 01 and bang your making 450 rwhp with the same boots, but its not reliable enough to give a warrenty and such. So rehtink what GM would have done before you go spouting off stuff you obviousely know very little about!

Second off GM has done the forced induction thing, a few times, and it worked well for them. They still do it, but not on an LS1. They have always done it in their V6 cars. Maybe GM NEEDs the SC or turbo to run with the Fords??? See how dumb that sounds...

The 03 Cobra is not like an LS1 at all. It is not built like an LS1 and Ford went a whole different route with it. Telling us Ford needed it is plain dumb. Id like to see proof. Also an 03/04 Cobra does make about 360 rwhp off the assembly line, and with about $1000 we are talking over 450 rwhp and well into the 11s with a good driver! It is probably the single best bang for the buck car put out in the last 10 years as far as mod/power goes! And why, because of the SC!!!

 

Hey man, a kill is a kill is a kill...

 

AMEN, a kills a kill!

take it when and while you can.

now the v6 ain't all that slow. r&t hit 0-60 n 6.8 1/4 in 15.1.
now granted that isn't earth shaking but it seems pretty reasonable for bone stock since the 78 TA with 400 ci and 4 spd did 0-60 in 6.5 and 15.5 in the quarter. (yes car and driver could cut 1/2 off both cars times)

i hate to say it but a least ford had the ***** to produce a car like this and keeps their customers happy.

i hope GM will grow a pair soon and put the Zs and TA back on the street.

 

great kill

 

Yeah

 

I second this motion.

 

I third it.

And the comment above about a slightly modded LS1 hanging with stock terminator cobras..

An LS1 stock puts down about 305-315 at the rear wheels. A full bolt on (FULL BOLT ONS) LS1 makes right about 350 at the rear wheels. It takes more than slight mods. A heads/cam LS1 (mild emissions setup) should push around 425 RWHP.

On the same note, a mild (emissions cam, ported stock heads) LT1 H/C setup will put 400 to the ground.

The cobras are fast from a roll and with a lot of suspension work, and some tires, they're deadly at a stop.

The best chance a full bolt-on LS1 would have against a cobra would be to take it from a stop, where the cobras IRS hurts it way more than helps it. Don't bother with a roll.

H/C LT1s and LS1s (even mild versions without bolt ons other than exhaust and proper tuning) shouldn't have ANY problems with stock cobras.

The terminator motor is a 4.6 Liter DOHC engine that pulls WICKED MEAN on the top end. There are also a few packages (Kenne Bell comes to mind) that net these beasts around 600 rwhp (don't remember exactly.. search for Kenne Bell on the net) with a simple S/C (well maybe not SIMPLE) upgrade. A few thousand bucks.

The cobra motor is definetly something to be respected, and is a TOTALLY different animal from the LS1/LT1. Of course if you boost the Gen 2s or Gen 3 SBCs.. then you'll rape a cobra 6 ways from sunday.. provided you did it right.

 

yup the cobras are tough. i wanna try one. i don't expect to win but it would be fun. especially from a stop. who knows maybe i will get lucky and do some good up to 60 or so.

the kenny bell stuff is true. i know a gentleman who bought a cobra when they first came out and sent it to kenny bell for a rework. he said the same thing about the 600hp and was pulling LOW 10s at the strip. he was looking for a little more to see 9s.

i put my hand under my chin so my mouth wouldn't fall open.

 

Show me a naturally aspirated engine (less forced air) Ford has dropped in their Mustangs lately to compete against the LS1 Camaro? You will also find certain 2002 LS1 SS Camaro engines (with certain factory parts ) were grossly underrated aswell. Then GM goes and pulls the plug on the Camaro

 

The recent NA Mach One's had no problem hanging with an LS1. Also, the SS was no faster or different than the Z28 unless it had the two SLP options that could add a few measly ponies. That is one thing that Ford did right. They had a large performance variation between the mustang models. Whereas GM just added a new spoiler, wheels and hood and left everything else identical.

The LS1 is a deamon in so many ways but the recent top of the line stangs could match them. The GT basically was never a threat for any LT1 or LS1 car until '05.

 

First off the Mach 1s were plenty fast, as well as the 01 Cobras, both NA 281 CI motors!

GM doesnt use SCs because theyd have to redesign a motor thats proven to be a performer. Why waste R/D and an already good motor (short of the reliability issues I have seen from them). Ford did it because it worked great in the Lightning (where theres NO GM to even compete). So they used what they knew and put it into the Cobra, and guess what, it made great power and responded amazingly to mods...

I just want you to prve GM doesnt SC because they feel bad for Ford, thats one of the dumbest statements floating around the internet!

Also the GT was a cheap car that anyone could get into for a decent price and get good power. It wasnt any LS1 killer, never intended to be!

 

Why would I want to prove a statement I never said. At this point I don't want to start any flaming war.
However redesign or not, it would be plenty interesting to see what may have been if GM supercharged a Camaro. But that is all speculation at this point.

 

P.S Kid, read into the posts a little more. You go around acting like you know everything their is to know, you put words in people's mouths and end up insulting people saying their opinions are ignorant. Give it up man you're act is getting lame.

 

This whole thread is stupid. Let me lay it out for everyone with wet dreams about supercharged Camaros.

If you don't understand that economics is what drives the decesions that car companys make on how to build their cars, then you shouldn't be posting in this thread because you are lost. The end.

 

I love when fellow GM owners spout total dumb****..

Anyway, to stay on topic..good kill!

 

You edit every post you've made here (almost all of them) makes you wonder what your editing out!!!

Also:

Tkane directly from your first response, looks to me like you asked and then answered your own question. Your like all the other GM faithful who wont admit Ford never needed anything to compete with GM, they just had a good idea, used it and made some awesome vehicles with it! I guess you brand loyale GM owners will never understand, but then again I dont care, I couldnt see you going out and buying a New Ford anyway (so that means Ford shouldnt care about your type either)!

Oh well I agree good kill. The newer Mustangs have been decently wuick with the V6s, and although I havent seen a lot of them, Im sure they are just as fast if not faster than the pre 05 V6s (which could go mid to low 15s)!