ok m anbd my friend are argueing about witch car would have better 60 foot times. a 1989 iroc or a 2000 ish honda s2000. he thinks an s2000 would kill it and it would also beat it in the 1/4th mile becasue he says after it beats the camaro of the line it couldnt keep up because it has no top end. btw both cars would be stock and in good tune

 

He'd have to tear his car up pretty good to get it out of the hole faster than you. I give you the win here.

 

The IROC, hands down.

 

the thing is loser of the argument has to buy the other one dinner

 

could anyone get track times and things to prove it so he will beleive it

 

The better driver... IROC wins if it's well driven.

 

The IROC is a RWD V8, with an induction system DESIGNED to make but loads of low end torque.

At least a 2.0 on street tires, I'd believe a 1.7 on DRs. Someone else chime in with stock L98 times?

 

No one needs to post times. Unless your friend wants to feather the clutch at 8,000rpm, you win. Period.

 

Victory = you

 

yeah, S2000 has 141 lb feet of torque....thats like an L98 idling LOL

that peak is at 6000rpms or somewhere near that.

it takes a hell of a launch/driving skill to get them off the line with anything less than a 2.1 60 foot time i say.

a stock irocz auto L98 should be very near 2.0 if not better, depends on gears/tires... 305 stick car should be also about that. bone stock. mild suspension work gets them into the 1.8's

 

thankyou

 

A buddy of mine raced one in his bone stock 91 GTA with LB9 and he tore that thing up off the line till about 50 or so, and you have a L98 right? so i say youll have this one

 

Go claim your free dinner.

 

Yeah you get the win, I beat one from a roll and on the freeway in my TBI 5 speed

 

yeah, S2000 has 141 lb feet of torque....thats like an L98 idling LOL


bwhahaha, that made my night Justin LOL L98 TQ will blow that vtec off the line

 

would a bone stock lo3 beat it off the line

 

I think any of our cars could beat it off the line, but the L03 would get passed pretty quickly.

 

Now, what if this was a little track outing? A mix of turns and straights? Maybe a slalom for good measure... We can safely assume that the IROC will have things well under control on straights, but would the S2K be able to reel it in on turns?

...Just to make it a bit more interesting, that's all.

 

yeah, i seen S2000's in the hands of good drivers run with ferrari 360 modena's at the road course. ferrari has it by nearly 200hp and is built to handle but the S2000 made up ground real quick in the twisties and only fell back on the straights. granted the ferrari drivers were about average drivers, its still a accomplishment for the stock S2000 to run with them

bone stock vs bone stock, a Irocz will have little chance against the S2000. S2000 is a fine track car

 

Vehicle testing done by "the experts" at Car & Driver, Motor Trend and Road & Track magazines Link

1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 9.7 N/A
1983 Chevrolet Camaro 9.5 17.5
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 6.7 15.0
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 9.3 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 10.0 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 7.0 15.2
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 14.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 15.3
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2

2000 Honda S2000 5.5 14.2
2003 Honda S2000 6.3 14.9 (Manual)

Chances are the S2000 wins.

 

Didn't Car & Driver also get like a 14.2 out of a 6spd LS1 Z-28?

the S-2000 would have to have a hefty RPM launch to get the Iroc out of the hole, like 6.5k+. But in the 1/4 they are evenly matched if they have the same driver, both cars should be capable of low 14s.

 

Hi Inwo, i wouldnt trust car magazines... One mag got a 87 L98 Iroc Z to run a 15.3? Well another one got a 87 Iroc l98 to run a 14.5..... Those mags suck.. Also read that Corvette L98s were high 14s - low 15 sec cars even with a 6 speed or a 4 + 3....

 

The only real way to determine a winner in the argument is to race. 0-60 times don't really mean much since they're simply an advertising tool. If you're trying to go by them to win an argument you might as well use a magazine.

 

im not asking for 0-60 times im asking for like 60 FOOT times

 

What are the track conditions or is this on the street? Are the drivers equal? Are the reaction times equal? What sort of tires? Stock? Drag radials? What transmission options? There are too many variables to make your question worth answering.

 

if according to your report from C&D my car has a 350 which it doesn't my lowly 305 runs 15.3's all day long. My buddies 89 L98 stock ran 14 flat

 

equal drivers on a track with both stock cars on a 80 degree sunny weather with drag radials and both get the same reaction time

 

The S2000 needs drag radials...? If you put it that way, I'm thinking the IROC will get it.

 

Are yall just racing 60', or 1320'?

 

inwo is right the s2000 will win. i have a friend who had a s2000(now has a 540whp z06) that ran a 1.98 60 foot on the stock 225/50/16 tire. with a used nitto 245/50/16 555r it went a 1.72 60 foot and ran a 13.72@101. it was complety stock other than the k@n filter. look at that 5.3 0-60 time. you know that the stock iroc l98 cars dont run faster than 14.4 on average. but the average s2000 runs 14.2-14.0. the low end torque is a technicly ignorant point. if the iroc runs a 5.8 60 foot it is obvious that the 200tq the l98 makes does not make the car faster than the s2000 that does a 5.3 60 foot. as ive said before, torque does not make the car fast, torque is only force. torque is not rotation. horsepower is torque and rotation, so it is very clear that the horsepower makes the car accelerate.

 

Actually you've got that backwards. Torque IS angular (rotational) force. Horsepower is torque over time

 

i've driven both cars. the S2000 has nothing below 6 grand. out of the hole, the IROC will launch hard, putting a car length or two on the S2000. once the S2000 gets in it's powerband, though, it will take off. They typically run LOW 14's. car and driver got one to go 14 flat in an all-convertible comparison. most stock IROC's I have seen run mid to high 14's, depending on the driver.

make your race out to 60 feet. You'll get a free dinner.

 

Just racing 60' is weak. And just becuase the S2000 doesn't have much torque down low doesn't mean he's going to launch off idle. A good driver wouldn't...

 

i dont have it backwards.
torque is rotational force, not movment, movement would take time to do and torque has nothing to do with time. horsepower is rotational movment since rotation takes time and there must be force to make movment possible. you can not have a rotation that takes no time to complete. hence torque could not possibly make a car accelerate because torque is not based in time, and has nothing to do with time, it is only force and not movment. horsepower is force over an amount of time, so if any movment is happening through the application of force i.e. torque then it is not torque that is accomplishing work it is horsepower. horsepower is torque applied and movment, rotational or otherwise, being accomplished. sorry for not being really clear but when most people read things that are slightly abstract they have trouble understanding them.

 

clear that the horsepower makes the car accelerate

technically later l98s have the same or more HP then a s2000.. S2000 has 240hp and say a 91 z28 has 245hp So the L98 beats it in TQ and HP even tho TPI chokes after 4500 rpm

 

and the s2000 weighs 400lbs less. they both make within 15-20 whp of each other. easy to see that the s2000 would win.

 

they tested the s2000 on Top Gear
and compared it to bmw z4 and porshe boxter,

there was no drag race ,but around the Top gear track,
i remeber it was
1 minute 37.4 s2000
1 minutw 37.3 z4
1 minute 1.37 00 for the Boxter

i think that was on year 2002 test,

i wonder what time the iroc would make

 

Granted the Iroc and the S-2000 being driven by capable drivers and the S-2000 is launched from high enough RPM to get it really moving, it would be a close one probally. I lean more torwards the Iroc for the 60' and the S-2000 on topend. Although in the 1/4 I would say that the S-2000 will win most of the time, stock for stock at least.

 

yea by like couple tenths of a second it will win... Give it credit tho it still a 4 banger smackin a 8 cyl. Just throw a Vortech on that L98 and youll be saying "bye bye Vtec" lol

 

What if you slapped a Vortec on the Honda?

 

thats what makes racing fun STU. Who knows what the opponent has under their hood (unless they show you) Besides that, thats why i love the sleeper thirdgen look. have a stock 91 RS and ppl will think you have a cruddy 305 TBI, but really you have a LS1 swap with say a Supercharger and pretty much youll take on anything out there ( due to thirdgens are on the lighter side of all Genereation Fbodys) 3rd gens make great sleepers. If the honda S2000 has a power adder then ill admit the L98 will be in trouble. The only reason i say this is because the Fbody is like 100 of pounds heavier. The S2000 is lighter and will win. Engine VS engine. Have a Supercharge Vtec vs a supercharge L98. I bet the L98 will be the overall more powerful engine esp in the Torque Field. That Vtec will still breath in the higher rpms and the l98 still is a "TPI"... I dunno tho if the same weight.. be a close one. And im not dissing the S2000. those things can move and i give it alot of credit that a 4cyl can take on those old V8s

 

People always capatalize my whole name, and it always makes me think that they saying it with emphasis, is that true?

 

any thirdgen with half a driver will pull on a s2000 until it hits vtec at 6000 or so then bye bye.

 

And when the S2000 driver launches at 7,500 rpm?

 

The thirdgen owner gets to drive home in a car that isnt busted.

 

yes StU its with emphasis

 

That's actually true, the axels aren't very strong so I hear.


Other guy, I guess the question is what the emphasis? Text just doesn't translate emotion as well as I need it to.

 

im the other guy how long have u known me and u call me other guy j/k stu u can call me jon

 

I know, I recognize your screen name and avatar, but I've yet to take the time to remember screen names for this site. Don't feel too left out, I do it on the other board I'm a member of that's not my home board too.

EDIT: I do remember that you are the asian who wants to turbo your car though right?

 

You've got a whole lot of concepts confused in there, I'm not sure if it's because you're trying to oversimplify it, or if you're confused yourself.