You do maybe once in a while, but you're getting carried away when you say all the time, doncha think?

 

LT1's are under estimated

 

Not at sac raceway.. you CONSTANTLY see ls1s with low 14 sec dial-ins. And almost every race I've raced in the past 3 weeks or so vs. an LS1 up there, I've pulled and held the lead through the first 1/8th of a mile. They pass me on the top end though. I've got lots of vids if you're really that curious, just have to download them off my bro's camera. Also have a buttload of timeslips.

I'm well aware of the LS1's power, but the ones around here appear to have SH*TTY drivers

Actually that's not true at all, just the ones that go to that track. I know a couple guys around here that drove their LS1s BONE STOCK to a 12.9x run. One is a stripper 01 Z28, the other a stripper 02 Formula.

Yes we often are. Most people don't realize that these cars came stock at around 300-310 HP (despite the factory rating - there is MUCH evidence to support this - ask ShiftyCapone here, he knows) and my fully loaded T/A only weighs 3500 lbs curb weight. That's a recipe for a 13.7x-.8x on street tires with a GREAT 60 ft. (equals great driver) and a 13.5x with tire. More than enough to kill most of the things you'll find on the street, save most LS1s, Evos, STis and a few others - driver depending.

Hell I got the time in my sig with that horrible 60 and 161k on my motor. I think a BIG reason for the underestimation of the LT1 power plant comes from bad drivers. The difference between a 14.2@99 with a 2.2 60 and a 13.89@100 with a 2.0 60 ft is all driver. Same car.

And there are many, many, many, many LT1s in the mid 12s with just a few bolt ons.

If you're still curious (i.e. I havn't bored you yet) check out the LT1 section on ls1tech.com. And also check out camaroz28.com, both are excellent LT1 resources.

 

amack if your interested or anyone else here this is the car (exact car) i might be getting...

 

evilcartman how high does that motor take you? (RPM wise)

 

car looks good but whats with those wheels? They look like flowers...

 

Ya, the rims don't do it.

 

Any year LT1 makes 300+hp at the crank and 350+ lb ft of the good stuff. They were underated just like every other GM V8 over the last 20 years. A stock LS1 will make 400hp on an engine dyno and a stock LS6 will make 460.

Those wheels are GTO wheels for those that are wondering. Another car that is underated .

 

yup GTO wheels i dont think they look that bad actually......my brother likes that car now so im guna start the looking in autotrader hoping to find a mint camaro M6 though not auto......

 

i did alittle test tonight coming home from some big festival/end of summer bash we have near where my highschool is...

I wanted to see if i could get a car to play around with me on the 2 lane sections of road that i had on my way home. First i got behind an older El Camino (no clue what year, but it was like between 75-84 i would guess). He wanted no part. The car was in good condition, with what seemed like a muscle car exhaust.

At the end of the first stretch of double lanes i car comes flying up and gets between me and the el camino right before the merge back into 1 lane....its a late 80's fiero. Looked really nice from the back. Anyway, i follow him very closely up until the next 2 lane stretch and flash him the brights a few times but he doesnt want to play around either.

Dont know whats up ?? Like i said before im not into racing but i cant even find someone to play around with. I guess its a good thing, however. I mean no good can come from racing or playing around....i just find it amazing that no one has ever tried to race or play around!!!!

 

Instead of riding *** and flashing your brights like you want to fight them, try flexing (revving your motor) and goosing your throttle when you're next to them.

 

yah never do that if someone did that to me theyd experience a little of my road rage......yesterday i got next to some guy look at him and say "wana go?" point hell get the picture guy turned me down though. my only races have been at red lights and ive never like said anything they just ended up happening one guy hits it then ill get on it pretty easy.....easiest way to get your point across....


"WANT TO GO?!" and point down the road

if someone else has a better way thats not bull**** please post cause seems like ur having a lil trouble amack haha your fiending for a race you shouldnt though......shouldnt at all! once u race something u think you shuold beat then lose your guna want a faster car then your goign to lose all your value in that car once you start swaping out parts....want to really get in a race? buy a 2nd camaro if u want with a 350 and make it loud people will notice you then

 

im assuming "goosing" your throttle is the same thing as "barking"? when u stab it quick style and let off...?

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=goose

 

Alrite guys...now instead of making a new topic, i figured id just ask this theroretical question in here...

I was talking to this kid who i play football with today, and hes got an 84 mustang with the 5.0 and a 5 speed. I thought that it would murder my car, and i told him that...but i just checked and in 84 the HO 5.0 only had 165 HP...and hte SVO was the fastest model (which ran a 7.5 0-60 time). Using common sense, i would therefore assume that the 84 stangs with the 5.0 were even slower than the SVO's, which may in fact put it into L03 teritory (around an 8 second 0-60 time). Basically, the car is a stick and i seriously doubt this kid (who is completey uncoordinated and clumsy) knows how to drive it good, not to mention its probably not in good tune. The question is, would my car beat it stock? And if not, how would my car fare once i put a 3" hooker catback and open element on??

I seriously would never race this kid because his such a dufus, but i would like to know theoretically if i could beat him.

 

couldnt tell you other than that 5.0s are sick....and a bolted on 5.0 running good is a 12 second car

 

yeah goosing or bouncing your car will normally get you a race. thats all it takes for me to get it on, if i see some nice car bouncing next to me its on.

 

Man you got some ***** pickin' on low riders

 

Heh, I get challenged more than daily. You just gotta give them a rev to let them know your taking the bait.

 

Problem is there's no bait on the hook for me

 

84 mustags were incredibly slow. not to say all mustangs were but 84 5.0s were some of the worst. i kn ow a guy who has one and it could not beat my 3.1 firebird. no joke.

 

ok?
87+ then

 

ill say maybe on that, im no mustang expert. i did race a early to mid 90s mustang at the track. he wasnt that fast. if i could have got traction(see traction in racing board ) i would have toasted him.he couldnt have run faaster than a 15. the badge on the side said GT4.6 and he had a......well it wasnt a hood tach, but it has a tach on the outside of his car. i dont know what he really had.

 

dude 5.0s are fast....and thats a fact....maybe not stock but bolts ons get them in the 12s....no 3rd gen with bolt ons is running that (im speaking stock engines)

 

yeah stangs are fast. my brother owns an 87 mustang GT, which is a lot heavier then the LX's. dont get me wrong, he put alot of money into, but mostly for looks. as for the motor, the block is STOCK, gt40 heads 1.6 roller rockers, cobra upper and lower intake, mass air, and underdrive pulleys. AOD rebuilt transmission with 2200 stock converter. traction bars. he runs 13.48 at the track. and didnt put much into the motor. i have nowhere to host a pic of his car, so i wont. lol.

 

damn he doesnt even have headers or exhaust?

 

Well the car i was referring to was an 84 5.0, which only had 165 BHP out of the box. The later 5.0's are completely different animals that an 84. I seriously think i could smoke that 84 5.0. But as i said, the kid is complete dufus---The kind of kid to take his eyes off the road to do something stupd in the middle of the race, loose control and hit the other driver. I would never race unless it was at a drag stripe, but i believe theoretically i could probably whoop him.

 

just race him, do your thing, beat him and post results.
tell him at practice one day u wana race real quick at a light. just get going a lil over the speed limit then shut down

 

that year has got to be the ugliest mustang ive ever seen. your lucky it isnt a like 86-93 5.0

 

yeah the earlier front ends are NASTY..

yeah my bro has shorty headers, and 2 1/2 exhaust with 4" tips coming out the bumper, didnt meantion that.

but for stock cam, stock block, stock pistons, its great ET times.

 

i think the kids just got his permit....so he cant even drive without an adult yet.

 

sounds like a winner here.

permit, clumsy, loser, the kind cant drive without running into someone. lol.

 

ive seen so many slow 5.0 mustangs its rediculus, and if they are actually fast the driver thinks hes got the fastest car in town. i doubt you can just bolt on some better parts and suddenly your in the twelves.

 

5.0's maybe not stock with bolt-on's do 12's ? What are you trying to say?

So it has bolt-on's but isn't doing 12's. But I thought the first guy said they all do 12's. What's the deal?

 

yeah well 2 things. its a GT which means take off all the ground effects he'd be closer to 13.1-13.2, now if it was a 5 speed it would be in the high 12's.

so they could do 12's with bolt on's, but not all.

 

i think your over estimating the 5.0s., and heads,upper and lowerintake,and rockers is a decent chunk of money

 

wow i thought there was a very little difference in weight .... 100 pounds is equal 1/10 of sec i dont think it would weight that much of difference.... my buddy told me their is a 5 pound differnce... and a 84 5.0 why even mention that it almost as bad a 4.6 (96-98).... i just want point somethin out i saw at the track was the super charged 4.6v8 were barely being stock ls1!! that was great

 

lets not forget that no matter how fast they are thier still ugly as sin

 

yeah maybe i am exaggerating a little, but ground effects weight alot, even still with a stick he'd be in the 12's.

but yer right, the gt40 heads and 1.6 roller rockers cost 1300 canadian, upper and lower cobra intake 600$ canadian, headers and ehxaust i think $700 canadian.

but its not the money, the post was about "bolt-on's" and im just stating.

 

exactly. LXs are a ton(not literally to u smartasses) lighter, a 5 speed with full bolt ons and like 4.10 gears would be a 12 second car

 

Search for 25th mustang. His car is mostly stock and runs 12.9s on street tires, 12.5s on slicks. However his car is the EXCEPTION and by no means the rule.

Most 5.0s are dogged and tired and not really even capable of 13s. However the ford 302 is an excellent motor, and can be built to be fast.

 

You need to hang out at the track more often. It is pretty easy with LX cars.

 

alright ill admit they CAN be fast, but there are alot more slow than fast. and i still wouldnt trade my mid 14sec GTA for a mid 12 sec stang. not my bag

 

our cars look nicer, but to be honest, their cars are faster, with less money. no offense ill get flamers, but its true.

 

Depends on what years and engine combos. But for the most part I'd take a 5.0 over a TPI motor, unless I had the cash to dump TPI and go with something else.

 

Kinda like the 5.0 in this Volvo Wagon?

 

Another angle

 

**** id take it

 

Ya, just the sound of it driving by makes people scratch their heads

 

you could probably classify it as a sleeper.......
gotta respect the work that went into making that frankenstien.