In regards to the thread starter:

The best strategy is to know your enemies and only race people who you have a fighting chance against, which with an L03, isn't many sports cars. There are relatively few cars I will even consider racing with my RS because of this.

With an 80s truck cam, there's not much fun in revving your motor anyways, in gear or out of gear.

 

It actually sounds pretty strong with the flowmaster. But i just wanted to race for fun where it wouldnt have mattered if i won or lost.

 

Sounds fair enough then. Just make sure to save some of that money of yours for a 383!

 

Hey I got somethin funny to add to this I saw one of the Hondas that wanted to race for cash only at my work, we go to the same high school, he was at the grocery store that I work at with his parents I was about to ask him if he wanted to run when he just started to wave at me behind his moms back, he was mouthin at me not to mention racing cuase he doesnt want his mom to find out what he does.lol So I saw him away from mommy and told him That I would run him for fun and he finally said that he would. I met up with him a gas station a few hours later a bounch of r!cers were with him. We ran 2 time the first was from a roll to 60 I easily beat him but an Eclipse smoked us both. Than we lined up from a red light to 60. I came in last this time becuase I ran this one in overdrive the same Eclipse whooped both of us again. It was fun as hell though.

 

whats running him in overdrive have to do with you losing?


you know overdrive still uses the same exact gears going from first to third as just putting it in drive right?
the main difference is when you put it in overdrive you get a fourth gear for gas savings. thats it really.

but the car isn't going to shift into overdrive(that fourth gear) at WOT anyway so it doesn't make much difference.


so I say you either made this last story up or you really lost both ways. or last situation if putting the car in overdrive really does make a difference then you have something wrong with your car and your transmission and shouldn't be racing it anyway and are an idiot for doing so.

 

Well if he owned a Ford Id believe it. My old auto would shift from 1st to 3rd, Id pull it back into the 1 position and it would drop into 2nd, then back into D for third. Almost as much work as the 5-speed at the track, but a LOT slower!

I agree, and unless your tranny for some reason shifts at different RPMs or shifts into OD, I doubt having in D woud have helped the outcome!

 

****, never race a DSM for $$$$ unless you have some serious power under the hood, or unless they are absolutely bone stock(onl seen one in 5 years) But this honda you speak of, pa for m diesel fuel to haul my truck down there, I'll hurry up and bolt my ss 4.3L heads on my new engine, and I'll buy another nitro kit and spray 80hp into a 225 mill......lol, I'l abuse the **** out of the honda's, I should be able to know out low boost honda's as well......those heads should add a few more ponies themselves, and I know the zex kits rule. I'll even be nice to them and leave the line in 2nd gear.......lol.
Andrew

 

I always wanted a sleeper fast enough to ask people if they wanted me to start in second for them.

 

Wouldnt we all

 

I guess the difference is that now I make enough to money to build one.

 

With a TBI/carb. car, if your Throttle Valve cable is out of adjustment, the tranny WILL NOT kick down into first sometimes. Until I fixed it, I had to manually shift mine into first to race.

 

It is all gearing stu, 4.10's and whatever first gear on the nv-3500 combined is practically useless coming out of the whole with 55+ of juice. Anyways, it sucks though, because I tach out before I can make it to 130.....
Andrew

 

well that honda hatch is has to be running a B16/18 with some weight reduction to be hitting 13s. He cant be turboed if you both got taken by an eclipse as that eclipse would pretty much have to be turboed or pretty insane to be able to take out a supposedly fast honda. The nice thing about a fast honda cost 5K for evrything including motor, suspension unless you want to go turbo. Some of my friends love Hondas and a couple of them are currently building motors for them. When we talk i tell them that im spending 8k on a motor alone for a big block supercharged combo, and they tell me theyre spending 3k on their engine. Well to them a fast honda runs 12 sec 1/4 mile completely gutted, 1 seat, no interior, no heater, and it looks like **** IMO. Sometimes makes me wonder why im building what i am. But my Big clock will run 10s hopefully 9s with methanol and will look classy doin it. And while i wanna build a fast honda eventually i could never ever imagine selling my tranny to do it.

 

How bout sharing the wealth? I just had to buy my books and I think I messed up something bad in my car's tranny the day before i stored it

I know somebody in town who did an engine swap on a Honda hatchback it was just as fast or um...slow when he finished

 

ya ive seen tons of slow *** honda swaps, you gotta know what youre doing to build a fast one, but i have seen 4 or 5 that will run 10-11s which is pretty damn fast especially for a honda. Still doesnt compare to a thirdgen whatso ever but hey some people like that ****

 

You're friends are wasting their money with their cars. The only thing more worthless than putting a supercharger on a 4 cylinder car, is building it up N/A. If they are only spending $3,000, then their cars must not be that fast. Turbo = Cheaper and faster.

 

I saw a drag clip once where a honda civic, with (what was insisted) 1000 horsepower. Now, regardless of whether or not the civic really did have 1000 horsepower, the Civic must have beaten the viper by at least 10 car lengths.

 

I remember that car. Also to note in the race, the Civic had a hanging brake, you can see the brake pad glowing in some of the video! I also think the Viper was modded, but Im not sure!

 

I like how you say theyre wasting theyre money with their cars STU. Thats exactly what my mom, dad, and a few dumb girls tell me everyday about my thirdgen. Do you not understand the joy of modding your car in whatever form it may be, even if you think its gay, its not a waste of money if it makes them happy. 3,000 is enough to build a B16/18 that shifts at 13k rpm and is in vtec from 5000+. Or you can go with a B20 block and put an lsv head on it, which is actually the head off a stock CRV, yes the little SUV. With this combo you have a "motor that makes a lot of torque" and shifts at 10K rpm all day long w/ vtec engaging at 4800rpm. You should try riding in a built civic thats hitting VTEC, ill tell ya it was quite a surprise and an eye opener. o and yes you can hit low 11s no turbo no nos NA for about 3k motor and another 2-3k suspension.

 

Its funny, because STU had a Honda (or Acura) before... so Im sure he knows something about how they feel. Like I have said before, build what you want. I do that, people dont like it, but I do! Modding cars is pointless, might as well make yourself happy with it!

 

You can't build a reliable Honda motor that revs to 13,000 rpm for $3,000. You can't build any sort or FAST N/A Honda motor for $3,000. Go ride in a built Honda car? No thanks, I'll take my turbo second Gen Integra LS with 100 more horse power to the wheels and 130 more ft/lbs of torque. Thanks for the tip though pal. LOL

 

Oh yeah, concerning the Civic vs. Viper video. I'm positive that you are referring to CheeseFrog's Civic from Honda-tech.com. I don't know where you got the idea that the car had anywhere even near 1,000hp. It was only like 550 or something.

25th: I heard that he didn't have his hand brake down all the way. I don't remember if I actually saw him post that, or if it was someone else though. I do remember seeing the rear rotor light up. Awesome vid.

 

I just wouldnt have revved on him in teh first place.

 

what is it with vtec this vtec that.
it's not that special of a design and isn't the great g<x>od of power.


all vtec really does is make the car act like two cams in one.
one streetable and one that has a little more lift and a little more duration.
nothing else really.
**** my rx7 has a design like that and it has been around since before I have heard of vtec. maybe not by long but since at least the 86 production year which means prolly available to the public as of 85. and heck it even takes it a step further it makes it go from two intake ports to three intake ports when it kicks in. woohoo. lets see your vtec engine go from 2 intake ports to 3 intake ports when the vtec kicks in.
and with a little N/A honda it isn't going to make that much more juice. at least not when compared to boosted applications.

13k rpms for 3grand?
mind sharing what your smoking? I could use some right about now

and how the hell are they going to hit 11's on a 3k budget fully N/A?
2000feet below sealevel when it's 20 degrees outside?

**** even the lightest of all the hondas with a b16/18 swap isn't going to hit 11's nor shift at 13krpms and the fun part is that swap is going to net them around 3k bucks also.

think we have another situation of some little kiddy running around speaking his gospel and singing the praise for his little cult of stupidity and ignorance.


stu can you do us a favor and smite them down. show them the truth and save his soul for if he keeps going he will damn himself to a r<x>icer nation

 

Yeah the video I saw was Cheesefrog (couldnt come up with the name) and I did see the brake rotor and also heard it was hanging up! 550 hp sounds right in a 2000 lb car (who knows what the actual weight is) to propel it well past a Viper! The car was also daily driven I believe, definately impressive!

$3000 is probably what I have into my car. If I could have gone faster with a Civic I probably would have, but I really dont think an NA Civic with $3000 is going to run that good of a number! Keep dreaming though!

 

Oddly enough I was about to get a 5 speed 5.0 Mustang or building a turbo Honda before I got my camaro

Kinda regret not building the Honda.....fuel economy and decent amount of power that I can atleast drive it year round with much cheaper insurance

 

well like I said, that's what the video title insisted...I saw it on some misc. website. I didnt really buy it either, I mean, that's a whole lotta HP slammed into a little tiny car. But either way, it was an impressive video.

 

I've seen a handful of Civics with 700whp. Not to mention a bunch of Evo's (same size engine) with 700> whp. Then there is Sheppard's 4G63t that has at least 900whp I think. Not too common, but certainly possible.

 

i would have bought a mustang

 

I bought a honda

 

Me too!

 

I bought a third gen!!!!!!

 

Man, check few threads on here.

There are plenty of people who are running decent to excelent times with LO3's.

14.5 with exhaust and chip tunning only! (thats the best time I heard with that combo, so dont expect too much.)

If you can get your car to low 14's and NOS it with a 100shot you'll be able to back up a lot of revving that you do.

Save up about 1000-1500 bucks.
Go junkyarding, get yourself 305 TPI heads, get a performer manifold (Summit has some for about 150 bucks), and headers (once again summit has a set for 100 bucks).
If you don't know how to tune talk to brian at tbichips.com.

 

TPI heads aren't any better than TBI heads. There is no need to spend money here. You can make almost 300hp on the stock untouched 187's.

Refer to these threads.

TBI and TPI head flow data

We like these heads now


I agree but you will need to spend more than $100 on headers. Those "cheapo" headers will cost you $300 to $500 in the end to make them work.


I would only work with him if you want an overly priced chip that doesn't match your car.

There is only one way to do chip work and that is by yourself.

 

everyone i have known working with tbi chips is un happy, loss of power, poor mileage etc...

For heads you have to know where to look, i picked up a set of 081's fully race built from sch racing heads out here for under 300 bucks, the hell with junkyards, call around alot of peoplw have stuff built and cant foot the bill, thats what happened with mine, i picked up a guys 1400 dollar heads for 300 bucks