ok guys there is a guy running around with a 40th ann 4.6 mustang gt with a procharger p-1sc (running 10 psi) w/ 3 core intercooler, built bottom end, and a 125 shot also he has mickey thompson d/r. ill have a stock lt1 with a 150-200 shot with 3.42 gears... how do you think i would fair against him?

 

I would say he is well into the 11's and your maybe in the 12's.

 

yeah 10 psi procharger will well into the 400rwhp range and that shot on top of that will put him near 500whp i would think.. thats gonna be abit quicker than your sprayed LT1.

 

Hmm, your swapped LT1 should put you close to the twelves, with a 200 shot you'll be in the 11s for sure. It could be close if you've got some tires. You will have about 460 rwhp on a 200.

 

Yep you'll be close to the twelve's on the swap alone, the problem for you will be hooking up with that massive shot.

Edit: Think about the weight too, the LT1 swap will shed a good chunk of pounds off the front end, not to mention thirdgens are lighter in the first place.

 

With a built bottem end, 10 psi intercooled Procharger and a 125 shot I think he is going to walk you. If he gets that car hooked and its not approaching or into the 10s, he has to work on some things. Figure him to be in the 500-550 rwhp range without worry, and a lot more torque...

Whats with all these blown and nitroused Mustangs? I guess I missed the bandwagon, Im looking to build an All motor 306 to go mid 10s!

 

Yeah I think the mustang will win, too many things could go wrong with your setup, the mustang will have no problem getting into the 11's while you will have to have some serious traction to win. There is a chance you could win but he's got a consitant running setup with good traction.

From my earlier post I was just sayin that you probably have more power than you are given credit for, 11's definitly aren'y out of your reach.

 

The mustang should win this one. A guy in our club runs a stock '95 LT1 with SLP headers in his 3.42 T5 89 IROC and he has run a best of 12.9. I would expect your car to be right around that.

 

^^^1989= 3.45:1

 

He was running a 4th gen rear.

 

yea but i will be running a 150-200 shot on top of that so im thinking im gonna hit 11's with a 12 bolt rear and drag radials

 

race him and post the results!

Think of it this way... hes running nitrous and supercharged... if you dont win, so what. OTOH i think you have a chance.

You also should have a weight advantage...

 

well i havent started the lt1 swap yet but last night my little lb9 i stayed side by side with a 355 (l98 bored .30 over).... cant wait till i get the lt1 in..... next summer it should be either supercharged with built internals and a 150 shot ot 383 stroker kit with a mild cam and a 200 shot not sure yet what set-up i want to run yet

 

? That 350 must run like crap then. FYI if your getting built internals might as well spend the extra 100$ or so and get a stroker crank... extra cubes are always good.

 

yea i dont think that 350 was tuned cuz it didnt sound real healthy, but my 305tpi isnt exactly slow i ran i think a best of 14.5 @ 95 or something like that after i eliminated the top speed limiter

 

You might want to think twice before running that amount of nitrous with a stock internaled LT1. A 75 shot can knock about 1 second off your times and be a lot safer in the long run.

 

Um no on weight.

first off, ANY stang from fox to Edge weighs less than a F-body. So score one for weight to the Stang.

And he also will lose to a car with 281 cubic inches opposed to his car with 350 cubic inches.

Ill give thiso ne easy to the Stang. 10psi is aorund 380-400 RWHP. I say on the SC alone hes low 12's/high 11's...on spray, deep 10's no problem. He's got the weaklink fixed.....weak shortblock

 

Um the 40th anny mustang GT is not lighter than a thirdgen at all.

 

they both weight around the same i think the 40th ann is around 3500 lbs

ive seen plenty of 10 sec cars, but i dont think this guy has one. i think at best he will run a mid to low 11

oh also it is an auto with a gear shift kit so he has to shift every gear
i think the stock lt1 will have no problem holding up to a 150 shot, but next summer this same mustang will be looking at my tailight because im going with a supercharged 383 and everything will be forged and hardend so i can spray it or i might just bump the boost to 20 lbs

 

stock lt1s have ZERO problems running a 150 shot. I'm planning on spraying my stock block 54k mile car with a 200 shot come summer.

 

Thats odd. Then why does my friends 04 GT with only 228 RWHP full weight (fats and skinnies only) run low 13's N/A? Thats on a dynojet back to back runs. 04 GT, couple bolt ons, untouched suspension, ET Streets out back. Perhaps you can answer that because I KNOW a 3rd gen with ET streets and 228 RWHP on a Dynojet cannot run low low 13's in the 1/4.

Edge Stangs are around 3300-3400 tops full weight. Hell, my fox is a pig and full weight by itself it weighed in at 3210. Now it has no swaybar, no spare/jack, and lighter wheels. I think it should now weigh in at 3000-3100 by itself.

Stangs have always been lighter than f-bodies...least since the foxes.

 

yeah the 99+ GT's arent all that heavy. they weight in around 3200-3400 TOPS

 

They need all the help they can get.. being slow as f*ck..

 

yea i had about car or 2 on him when his car was in its stock form... well he had a x-pipe and flowmasters but still pretty much stock

 

Ever weighed a Fox vert GT? Sure it's hard to beat a stripper LX notch but the 1LE cars were pretty damn light too.

 

Becasue all 228WHP V8's run EXACTLY the same 1/4 mile times if their weight is the same. I mean, trasmissions, torque and horspower curves, rear ends, track conditions, and drivers have NOTHING to do with the 1/4 mile of a car.


The new mustangs weigh in at around 3500-3650 pounds.

I said "Um the 40th anny mustang GT is not lighter than a thirdgen at all", which except for loaded birds, is true. I know many a mustang GT owner, and all have confirmed that their car weigh in around 3400-ish pounds. I have no idea why someone who has had their car weighed several times would say their car is heavy than it is. If I am wrong, then I apologize, and you should probably call the police.

 

1LE cars are light.....but your comparing one of the lightest f-bods to the heaviest Mustang...and the Stang is still lighter.

 

True. So take a 228RWHp 350 or 305 SBC powered Thirdgen and see with STOCK suspension, full weight, ET Streets and say 4.10 gears and see if itll pull consistant 13.2's and 13.1's. doubtful. and track conditions only limit so much. I went from an unprepped track to a prepped track and only gained 1 tenth.....and thats driving the **** outta my car. Track conditions can be overruled to a point...its called driver ability.


OK, well Ill have my good friend weigh his this weekend at the track. I know the Edge Stangs non-vert weigh under 3400 lbs. and my old 92RS, hardtop, all power and optioned weighed in at 3600 lbs (3603 to be exact) No system, 16in anni. wheels. Only "weight" that was added was the SFC's. Least Ive seen a thirdgen full weight weigh in at was 3500 on the dot.....I could be wrong but we'll see, if the scales are open (junky *** track )

 

You honestly think a GT vert AOD with power everything weighs less than a 1LE car?

 

My Z with power everything, STB, SFC's, 17 X 9 1/2, 17 X 11 TT II's tips the scale at 3,480. This is on the certified truck scale at work.

 

A 1LE car WILL weigh less than an AOD GT 'vert. No questions asked.

Hell my '97 weighs 3490 (no system) without me. Certified scale.

And I have yet to see a pos mustang do it... especially a late model lmao

something tells me that if he's running those times then that dynojet was off just a wee bit. In something that weighs as much as an '04 GT, you'll need at least 40 more rwhp to run those times, with slicks. Sorry, but it isn't happening. And it's funny how it's always "well my friend" blah blah.. you go run the times, you go get a video and timeslip, then maybe I'll believe you. There's no way in **** an '04 GT is going to run those times with some flowmasters and good tires.

you and your mustang buddies can sit in a circle and jerk yourselves off all you want, singing praises to the 2v mod motor, but it won't change reality.

 

Urban hunter even though i agree with you, we all tell fish stories. Also i see this getting the lock.

 

yeah i havent seen low bottom 13's outta a stock GT with just slicks and maybe gears... but oh well. stock gt's here are doing 14.2's at 97mph. i'm sure gears and slicks will do 13.5's easy tho.

228 rwhp 350 TPI motor will make near 350 or more rwtq.. more than that stang or other v8 chevy motors cuz of the TPI intake. it makes torque. so i can see it going mid 13's maybe better, it will launch great tho.. 4.10's wouldnt help it tho. too much gear.

 

My car dyno'd at 230rwhp. my times and horrible 60ft time are in the sig. with a better short time I am confident my 3400lb IROC would go mid-low 13s.

 

Well, you obviously arent looking around. He has 4.10 gears, ET streets, SFC's, ProKit springs, and a couple bolt ons. 228 RWHP back to back on a dynojet. He ran those itmes at Beech Bend Dragway. Powershifting, launching at 4500-5000 RPM, 1.8 60's his best is a 13.28 1/4.....usually its 13.3's. Its done. If i could ifnd the video of it, Id post it. However, that was last year. This year, he added shorties and a couple more bolt ons to lay down 244 RWHP....not to mention a good solid tune. All of us are confident he can snag a 12.99 with some good track prer and conditions.

And he and me both personally hate the mod motor. Again though, you all act like its worthless. Please. I know of 2 more mod motor cars with full bolt ons, 4.30 gears, ET Streets, and cams that are high/mid 12's 1/4 mile. But I guess thats not believable either Its called DRIVING. I ran 8.6's consistant with only 79MPH.....if you know anything about drag racing and Mustangs in particular, 79MPH trap speed and running 8.6's is driving the car to pretty much its full potential.

But lemme guess....LT1's are just the endall answer to everything

Get out and get around SERIOUS Mustang guys. you'll learn a thing or two. When I was watching them in action back in 04, I had to ask how they ran the times they did with nothing done to them. Once I saw the potential, the Camaro went bye-bye and in came a 5.0 Stang.

 

Didn't you just say:

I seriously doubt your little inventive story now. I will give you a 13.5 with all of those mods, but no way in ****ing hell a 13.1. I've been to two different tracks, on many different nights, and I never see anything good from those 2v mod motors unless they're running some boost. What was his trap on the 13.28 run? Better yet, post the entire time slip, even better - post a scan of it.

cams, 4.30s, slicks and full bolt ons to hit 12s? That right there shows EXACTLY how worthless the 2v mod motor is.

No they aren't the end all to everything, but they don't take a cam, 4.30s, slicks and FULL bolt ons to hit 12s roflmao Get around some SERIOUS LT1 guys, and all it takes to hit 12s is slicks, full exhaust and a tune. Maybe a cai. Full bolt-on cars run 12.5ish (fastest full bolt on car ran 11.9) on a tire, and cammed cars (stock heads) have no problems running 11s. All assuming proper tunes and proper driving.

That's funny, I know at least 3 F-body guys that said the same thing about Mustangs: "Screw this pos, I'm getting something that's actually fast, that actually looks good and can actually take a corner without flipping!!"

I never bothered with Mustangs, I knew how to go fast.

 

Really? How fast are you?

 

Running slicks on even a 12 sec LT1 m6 with a stock rear can be real trouble. Back when I had my blown one in the mid 90s even with drag radials I ate them up. LT1s past 11s can be a PITA to upkeep and work on. Lets not mention changing or checking those plugs. And that stupid expensive optispark and its location. Or leaking intake manifolds. Even though mine fell apart(door panels,headlight ****,roof panel,leaking ttops,T56 blown out) when running it was lots of fun. I hated those heavy as doors,stupid hump in the floor on passenger side and the ping pong sized dash.

Mod motors? No thanks. Sans an 03 Cobra they are are super expensive to go fast with. Kinda of funny back in 93 Ford said pushrods could not deliver emmissions or peformance for the future. A 351 with a small runner intake and even cast iron GT40s would have been LT1 stomping material. Oh well.

 

His best is a 13.28. He'll go 13.1's this season easily. Sorry for the confusion.

And seriously.....Mustangs are 10x the drag car a F-body is. And if you doubt that...wheres the Camaros OWN DRAG RACING association? they dont have one. however, theres a whole, VERY POPULAR drag racing association for just Mustangs. Thats because a Mustang is setup perfect for drag racing.

And I know of one or two Mustangs here locally thatll bust 12's no problem AND outhandle most f-bodies. FYI, they are 5.0 Fox bodies. N/A lil 5.0's with some decent lil supension mods.

Myself, I went for the better drag car. Ill do an F-body when Im ready for a handling car.

And as for your comment on the JUST hitting 12's. Im not talking 12.99. Im talking 12.5's and such. thats pretty godo on a motor thats about 10 years old, has a VERY limited aftermarket (as of now, no aftermarket casting heads).

but hell, Ill stick with my Stang for now. I like my strong STOCK rearend

 

because...
1) 1/2 of all sports cars sold every year are mustangs.
2) They are one of the cheapest V8 cars.
3) They are very popular, everybody and their dog has one.

Wow! So That's what money gets ya.

Wow, I can't believe you just said that.

 

yea thats about the only thing ford did right! dont get me wrong anything can be made fast but a lt1 has way more potenial than a 302 v8...

my car has stomped plenty of stock musangs (fox bodies 5.0,lx, 4.6 gt)... and thats with only 3.42 gears and minor stuff like sparkplugs, wires, and exhaust and when i say stoped i dont mean i beat him by a car or 2 im talking like 5-10 cars

ive seen plenty of stock lt1's hit mid-low 13's and have yet to see a stang do it. hell this one guy around here has a 4.6 supercharged svt cobra that runs 12.9 stock and got torn apart by a n/a lt1 with 4.10 gears,2600 stall, full exhaust, and drag radials

 

i wouldnt say 10 times the drag car.. depends on what stang tho, but for the most part.. both cars are very fine drag cars. there are Ls1 fbody's easily in the 8's, same with stangs.... i dont see where the superior advantage is.. both cars will pull the wheels and cut great 60's given the right setup.

the foxes are nice cuz they feature a shorter wheel base... and thats always good.

the only other thing they got going for them is that they are light weight. 2800lbs easily when gutted. combine that wieght with an easy 400rwhp and your moving pretty good

 

:rofl: An LT1 is NOTHING compared to a 5.0. The only negative is a 5.0 block cracks at 500HP....and ive seen quite a few lately well over that number. 5.0 is CHEAP, huge aftermarket, and is a standard small block...so if you want carb, go carb. you want EFI, go EFI.

An LT1 is far from that. Its expensive, has the LOVELY Optispark and I havent seen very many over 400 RWHP without extensively modified and thousands upon thousands of dollars in them.....n/A of course.

a 5.0 can be around 350 RWHP with TFS TW heads, TFS Stage 2 cam, Cobra intake, 24# injectors, good MAF, solid tune and 70mm+ TB. thats well under 2k in parts. All new thats about 1800 or so in parts. Bargain shop and youll be around 1k-1200 with everything.

LT1s are allright but the LS1 made them obsolete. L98s arent because they are just regular SBC 350's, so they have assloads of aftermarket parts and plenty of older parts to swap on them. LS1....well we all know its superior design.

And BTW, for the record, the Ford Mod motor has been around since 92 as a 4 valve introduced in the Mark VIII's. In 96 they introduced a 2valve in the GT Mustangs, while putting better-tuned 4valves in Cobras. in 99 they upgraded the poor H/C/I setup and made them much better.

And BTW, the FASTEST N/A 2valve has ran 10.6's 1/4. NO poweradders, just ported stock heads, cams, tune, and assloads of suspension. Car is owned by Ken B. at MD. You might not be impressed but for a motor thats been around about 10 years......Im impressed. Especially since the aftermarket is now dead with the introduction of the 3 valve.

Andi m truly amazed by the brand ignorance still here on this site. I figured it would thin itself out....alas I was wrong. The LT1 isnt ****. Granted its better than a 2 valve. But theres TONS of motors out there Id take over an LT1.....plenty, including a 4valve, GM Gen III series, etc....

BTW, the local fellas that run 12's....They have a TOTAL of 5-6k in their cars. thats clean, well built bolt on cars. stock heads. just bolt ons, some decent suspension, and nice (VERY) wheels. I believe the fastest of them runs liek 12.3's or something. Most guys I hango ut with, myself included, are more into drag racing so we run fats and skinnies and more drag racing oriented suspensions.....When i want a handling car, Ill invest into a Thirdgen project again. Until then, the drag racing will do me just fine

 

"yea thats about the only thing ford did right! dont get me wrong anything can be made fast but a lt1 has way more potenial than a 302 v8..."

You are kidding right?

"my car has stomped plenty of stock musangs (fox bodies 5.0,lx, 4.6 gt)... and thats with only 3.42 gears and minor stuff like sparkplugs, wires, and exhaust and when i say stoped i dont mean i beat him by a car or 2 im talking like 5-10 cars"

So because you raced a few on the street that means they are all slow? Stock to stock the Lt1 was faster than even the fastest 5.0(93 Cobra). No suprise.

"ive seen plenty of stock lt1's hit mid-low 13's and have yet to see a stang do it. hell this one guy around here has a 4.6 supercharged svt cobra that runs 12.9 stock and got torn apart by a n/a lt1 with 4.10 gears,2600 stall, full exhaust, and drag radials"

I have never seen a stock Lt1 run mid 13s in 13 years of racing them. I have seen plenty of stock Mustangs run 12s and some were not 03 and up Cobras. So because you saw one 4.6 blown car lose that means they are a joke?

Don't get me wrong-its a stout motor(LT1) and capable of of serious power.

 

Who cares, just put the pedal to the metal. thats the only way to find out.

 

im not saying that all mustangs are slow im just saying from what ive experianced and seen they didnt impress me.

and ive yet to see a stock n/a mustang run a 12. but there are some quick mustangs up here but they are heavily modded

there is a guy i know that runs around town with a lt1 powerd 87 Z28 with head and a .600+ lift cam that will smoke the tires up at 30-40 mph

like i said not saying that mustang are slow by any means. i just prefer a camaro over a mustang. what can i say ive been a chevy guy from birth

 

wow that was quite the argument.

Well back to the original subject, i think you have a good chance. Now go race him already.

 

Well Im not going to read all of that and **** and moan about everyone elses car... There is one quote I enjoyed and led me to the car I have now!


Granted he was talking about not having a Mustang, but its true, whether you choose Mustang or Fbody you will go fast. An LT1 might have more potential, but by the time you reach that potential, your running 8s and NOONE in this post has or will ever go that fast in their street car! Personally, I will be happy runing mid 10s in a stock block, 500 lift cammed all motor car (planning to build very soon), and then similar times in my street car when I actually start to throw some REAL parts on it (like heads, cam, and a real intake)!

 

Common, we all know Mustangs > Fbody and every single way. Just close the thread.

 

Funny, 10 bolts will last into the mid 11s without problems. There are several members here running them, and I've seen with my own eyes a 10 bolt run 11.1@130ish through a T-5 on slicks. Go look at some of the posts on LS1tech, 10 bolts hold up through the 11s. When you get to low 11s probably best to switch for a moser or a ford 9"

The plugs are very easy to do if you pull the Y-pipe, which takes all of 5 minutes. The drivers side plugs are a pain, but you can do them all from beneath with hand tools. The alternator may have to be loosened and moved a few inches. What is a bitch is the passenger side wire routing, took me at least 15 minutes last time. If you have headers, you won't have to pull the Y-pipe.

The optispark takes an hour to change and only costs $300 dollars brand new. They usually last 120k+. I've never had my intake manifolds leak, on either of my LT1s. If yours was falling apart, you probably beat the **** out of it. Anything will fall apart if you beat it up.

Ford chose to stick with small displacement motors, and they delivered small potential. Just goes with the territory. If Foxes had come with 351s I wouldn't dislike them as much, and they would have held up to LT1s alot better.

Won't believe it till I see scanned slips and a vid, but tell him I said good luck.

Care to tell me why a Mustang is SO much better for drag racing than an F-Body?

I have no doubts a 5.0 went into the 12s. We were talking about 4.6 mod motors. And the point remains, you need suspension mods to hang with f-bodys. Stock vs stock foxes get owned hard in the twisties.

Give me some actual times with actual mod lists and actual trap speeds. Now I'm curious.

I'll stick with my Camaro, I like my strong stock T-56 (and 1950ish rpm @ 80 mph), my heads that when ported flow 275+ cfm (more is possible. I've heard rumors of ported LT4s at 300+, but have yet to see proof), my intake that flows like a hurricane (no aftermarket substitutes except expensive single plane conversions), and my LARGER displacement motor (can be stroked to 400+ c.i.d.).

Also you do realize that the LT1 is 14 years old right?

Everything you just said also applies to an LT1, but it DOESN'T crack at 500 hp

Do you even know how the optispark works and why people think it sucks? Do you know what you can do to fix it? Did you know there are several aftermarket setups to go to a different ignition system? Did you know the fastest opti-sparked car is running 9s?

You are aware there are heads (stock ported castings)/cam (streetable) combos for these cars that cost under $2000 and make over 400 rwhp right? Obviously not. Check out ls1tech.com, there are MANY LT1s over 400 rwhp.

We're make 350 rwhp with LT headers back exhaust, a cai, an LT4 hotcam and a tune. Check out the attached dyno graph. The 290 numbers are without the cam, just lt headers back exhaust, cai, and bolt on tune. The 350 numbers are after cam and cam tune. it's on a dynojet.

Nothing obsolete about an LT1, that isn't also obsolete about a Gen 1. Technically LS1s are also obsolete, with the introduction of the LS2/LS7 based on the Gen 4 engine architechture.

Fastest N/A time for an LT1 (14 years old at that) is Joe Overton in his '94 T/A clocking 9.361 @ 143.17. Stock induction. Big Rick is right behind him at 9.380 @ 149. Note the trap speed. That's a '96 Formula.

Right now LT1s are some of the best bang for the buck cars. But if money wasn't an object, I'd take a Gen 4 over an LT1 for sure. I'd never take a mod motor, or a ford 5.0 however. Seems that if there is indeed this "brand ignorance," it's on BOTH sides of the table.

We can run faster than that, with less invested, UNLESS you're talking about the price of the car as well. If you are, I'll give you that one. We pay more for 4th Gen fbodys, because they're nicer than ragged out late 80s 5.0s and probably have less miles (mine has 54k).

No replacement for displacement.

A bone stock one won't hit a mid 13, however one freak got a 13.6. If you add JUST tires however, mid 13s are attainable. Add a catback and you're there for sure.

Which stock mustangs did you see run 12s? Cobra Rs, Saleens? There's no regular production mustang that can run a 12 off the showroom floor, save the Terminators.

I have to disagree on the blown 4.6s however, they're very sick motors.