Who would win??

Honda Civic
-B161a japaneese motor
-T3/T04 turbo
-he said 10psi of boost

Camaro
-striped except for dash, center consol, driver and passenger seats
-700r4 tranny
-3.23 posi rear
-350 out of 83 Gran Prix
-2500 stall
-224/230, 477/480 cam
-Edlebrock performer RPM intake mani
-Edlebrock 650cfm 4bbl carb
-hooker shorties and y-pipe
-3" flowmaster catback single exit
-2" carb spacer
-1.5 rockers


Just need a idea, am I about to loose $75?

 

Comon guys, I am supposed to meet him at the old bridge down Norris freeway at midnight tonight. I need to know if I should even show up to make some cash, or if I should go get a few beers and go to bed.

 

so what will you be spending your winnings on?

His b16 gives him a base of 170hp being its a JDM. 10psi is a lot of boost, but wont be enough for him to take you. The only real chance i give him is if he has internal engine work done. Id go from a roll tho if I were you, just in case.

 

on 10 pounds I think you've got it.. he's probably lying and running more or spraying though.

 

Since it's for money, ask him to pop his hood and look for nitrous lines.

 

10psi of boost is MORE than capable of running you down if he has any weight reduction.

i know of quite a few civics puttin down near 300 whp on only 10psi. i think he's got you

your best chance is from a dig hopefully you can launch well with that 2500 stall. a roll is where the civic will shine

 

I am thinking along the same lines.

From a dig you should own him (stu will fill us in on this) but from a roll (where weight transfer and traction aren't as key) he could pull you. Why does everyone race for money? Why not go to the track and winner pays track fees. That way if you win you can hang your timeslip on the wall as proof. FWIW.

 

Hell, I just got back, and all I can say is I got my *** handed to me.

I know it wasn't time, but I gunned him down, and we rode out to the bridge. (Not gone for 30 minute totle), we both handed our $75 to cheif, and he stud down at the end of the road (a little more than a 1/4 mile) and on the third flash light blink we went. It was the best launch I have ever got. (These BF goodrich radials 295/50/15, can really hook up for a street tire compaired to my old 235/60's.)

I got him from a dig, and he was about at my back bumper. As soon as I hit about 40mph (2nd gear), he started to reel me in like I was nothing.

Needless to say he had about a damn school bus on me by time we shut off at about 125-135 (115 speedo).

After the race, we pulled in to get cheif and he got his ****ing money. He made the smart *** comment of "I meant to tell you that it was built with 16psi. I was ready to kick his ***.

Anyways, just thought I would let you know what happened, and note to all: Some of these kids are getting smart, they look like ricers but they aint. He had the shopping cart wing, APC stickers all over, and the stock 13" wheels on that Sonufabitch. I knew what he told me he had, and knew what I heard, but if I saw this car in the streets without being told or hearing, I would have mistaken him for a ***** 7 days a week.

 

Edit: His post appeared when i posted mine.

Well, i take that loss as a hustle. 16 is a lot more than 10. I would be pissed.

 

Because the track wont let me run without a driveshaft loop.
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I was going to spend it on some new brakes for the rear, but I also need a driveshaft loop to run at the track if I want to. SO I though, double my money here, but I lost my money is what I done.

 

That $75 could have gotten you 90% of the way to a drive shaft loop.

at least you were honest about the outcome. Boosted hondas aren't anything to take lightly.

 

True, depending on the amount of boost. But any light car with boost will put up a fight. I raced a boosted jetta GLi (not really light) that stayed on my passenger side door the whole race, but it was from a roll.

 

Yea, I get a paycheck this week, so about $950 of it will go towards the bills in the budget, and then that'll leave me about $500 to play around with.

You know, got that house and other good stuff to pay for.

 

Question time:

You race about a 1/4 mile correct? You say the other guy stud (thats not how its spelled) slightly more than 1/4 mile away to decide the winner. Then you say you were doing 125-135... I guess Im lost but you guys probably have 13 second cars, and I dont see 120+ mph traps anywhere. Unless you ran well past the guy at the finish line, I think you were going more along the lines of 95-105.

 

did you see my first post?? I called it, lyin about the boost. Tried to warn you

 

Wish I would have seen this post before you left. I could have told you he was talking out his ***. That JDM motor is mad to handle a **** load more then just 10 PSI. The cost of a turbo and tuning for it means he is going to set the car to handle the max boost possible for what ever his budget is. He might run 10 PSI in normal driving but come race time the average civic with that motor will run any where from 15 to 20 PSI. Sorry about your lose but look at it like this .... you know what he can do now so fix the problem!

 

That sucks about the loss but that's the beauty of having a turbo....

 

yep.. its easy to adjust the boost in a race... crank it up to 15+ psi and really put a hurtin on ya... he sandbagged and u fell into that trap.. and thus he hustled you.

i wouldnt race for money.. too many variables involved.. unless your truly a real car that can run 9's on the street. not too many cars can do that, and if they can, you sure as hell will be able to tell in 99% of the cases just by looking and listening to the car

 

Last time I ran at the track I ran a 8.12 in the 1/8 with a horrible 60ft time of 2.2 or something like that.

Yea, I appriciate the warnings and everything, but I was to money hungry. What should I be turning in the 1/4 mile?

 

Everything in this entire post is wrong. The JDM motors can't handle an ounce more boost than any USDM motor that came in any Honda. The average civic with that motor won't run any boost at all. The average Civic with that motor that does run boost is running around 7 pounds of boost. Stop watching those ***** shows on MTV please.

 

The only differences in the usdm and the jdm is that the jdm comes with 10 more horsepower in the b16, the wiring harness is the reverse of the usdm(it moves the ecm over to the japanese passenger seat), less smog restrictions on the jdm, and the jdm sometimes has a slightly higher compression.

So if anything, the higher compression in the jdm will cause the optimal boost to be less, but its not enough of a difference to be able to notice.

 

Exactly! Give yourself ten gold stars! Wear them with pride.

 

Somewhere around a 12.7

 

I gave myself 12 just because i thought i did a good job.

 

I need to shave a whole second off my time, and I would take it. 150 shot of nitrous here I come. I am going to buy the N.O.S. top shot system (It hides under the air filter)

 

Don't use a bandaid (like dry shot of nitrous) just to take a second off your time. Do the right way one time instead of the wrong way twice.

 

Why don't you start by getting yourself a REAL engine.

 

Maybe its a money issue? A lot of us arent lucky enough to have a lot of money to spend on our cars all the time, so a lot look for cheaper ways to build up performance. But i agree that if he does have enough money, build up the actual engine.

 

8.1 is damn quick for a mild set-up like you have. What the c/r of your motor? Was it rebuilt? Are the heads stock?

 

I know the motor came out of a early 60's car, and was rebuilt about 50k miles ago, bored 10 over the first rebuild back in the 70's-80's, and bored .10 more in 2002 when it was rebuilt again. Stock internals with oversized rings in a canadian sbc block. The heads are just stock heads. Vortec heads are next on my list. That with a 150 shot should make me about 180 BHP.

 

I don't make nearly enough. I am about to be married, and should have another mouth to feed in the up comming year, I am fresh out of highschool, and in my first year of college and working 1 full time and 1 part time job.

I'll tell you what freestyle, if you pay to build my motor, I'll drive it anyway you want it. How bout that?

 

Your car isn't that bad with a 8.1 and a high 12 is what you should make in a 1/4. I wouldn't go with the vortec heads keep what you got until you can get some real heads like AFR or TFS. Then get those ported and polished if you want to even hang with turbos. Honestly what do you think his car can run in a 1/4 low 12s high 11s? You have to get serious to run that an if you try to do it with just a good engine your going to just keep braking stuff after each race. Build the whole car and remember to always lie about what you got if you going to keep street racing.

I'm willing to bet he used nitrous on you!

 

No problem brother. Take care of your responsibilities first (family). Cars come afterwards.

I wish I could say I had the money too, but believe me when I say I got all my performance ****, and lemme say it's quite a bit, in a "once in a lifetime" deal"

 

I've decided to batten down and save up for a new car too. No Miata though. I'll give you a hint, and you see if you can figure it out. V6, turbo, AWD, 6-speed, navigation. Brand new. Good luck

 

Stu, you've stumped me. I can only think of one think that fits everything you listed but I'm not sure if it has navigation. Could it possibly be a new AWD Porcshe 911 Carrera S?

 

On that 8.1 what was the mph. With a 2.2 60' and an 8.1 you could have a low 12 second car on a tire. I went 8.4 @ 86 in the 1/8 with a 2.0 and that was a 12.9 in the 1/4!

 

Haha, no sir. Porsche has flat style motors by the way. I don't think I can afford a Porsche. The car I want in the trim I want (leather, heated seats, mirrors, power front seat) starts at $28,000.
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I didn't realize that his car was that fast. The kid with the Civic must have been making at least 300 hp to the wheels and might have been lightened up as well. You've got a pretty quick car to be walked by a Civic like that. Something tells me that the ***** look is just intentionally done so he is more of a sleeper.

 

8.097 @ 89.22mph, Knoxville Dragway on March 25, 06 I have no idea about numbers in power and strip. I just go by the butt dyno, if it's faster I leave it, if it's slower, I put it back the way it is. Hell, I don't even know where my ignition is at. I had a buddy stand on the brakes and give it throttle to put it under a load and I advanced the ignition untill I heard clunks coming from the cylenders.

So you think I could be running sub 12.499 in the 1/4?
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Is it an Audi something or something European??

Yea, I was saying they are getting smart. He even had the 8" fart pipe.

 

Not European. That's a good guess with the Audi S4 though, but the year I can afford didn't come with navigation. Oh yeah, the factory rating is 274 hp.

About the Civic, if he's running that fast, he damn well better have a full 3" exhaust all the way from the turbo to the tail pipe. He's probably just got a 4" tip.

 

new mazada speed 6 but thats only a 4 cly. with a turbo but the nav and price and power all wheel drive right in the price range

 

****!!!! You're right, it is only an inline four. I don't know why that never occured to me, I was just reading through the website again. I noticed that you have to go to the specs page for it to actually say that it's an in-line four. Oh well, it still makes more torque than hp (280) and at 2.3 it's not as big as the Subaru motor, but it makes quite enough power. Thanks for the correction. I guess navigation isn't standard either, but I will still likely get it.

That's the car by the way. Oh yeah, the Grand Touring package I want starts at $30,000 instead of $28,000. I've got some saving to do.

 

Dang it stu, you lied to me. Speed 6 popped into my mind since it was a mazda. Anyways, those look like fun little cars. Ive been wanting a mazda myself, but i want a old miata, cant afford the new mx-5.

Btw, I never realized how hard it was to think of turbo V6. Most are 4 bangers.

 

Mostly Audi and maybe a Saab or two. Well, and the 3000GT, Supra, 300ZX, GNX, etc.

 

I drove the sport edition it has a tighter suspension more fun to throw into the coners but the grand touring would definitly be better as far as everyday driving either way great car it will be alot of fun

 

I am so pissed, everytime I see him in town he rubs it in a little more with a little rev. I promise yalls one thing, he'll get the **** smacked outa hime sooner or later.

 

He's a tool for saying he had 10lbs and running higher in the race. But the others are right about him upping it for the race, you should have made sure he was to keep it at a set mark. Run him again with the 10lbs and see how far he gets you.

 

I think you better leave that guy alone until you get a better setup! There is no telling what he really has. An if he lied to you about the 10psi do you really think he's the type of person that would run a fair race! You got hustled plain and simple. The only way for sure to take him is to build a low 12 or high 11 sec car.

 

A good hustler makes a good street racer. If I were street racing I would tell people what I had, but not tell them what it runs. And if the race for money or something, you better believe I would have soemthing noone knew about.

 

Like a lucky charm on your key ring?

 

Like a genie in a bottle?