Well you didn't really prove me a moron, but think what you like. For one, I never claimed my car was fast, because by god it is far from it. All I did was post a kill story in the street racing section that involved a third generation f-body...I thought that was what it was for?

Why do you guys feel the need to come and and tell what LT1's and 5.0's can do on a Third gen site? I, for one, already know what they can do, and most people probably don't give a **** what they can do. Because if they did, they would probably go to an LT1 site, or mustang site. 5.0's are nice little engines...isn't it still 1994? Let's face it, L98s, 5.0's and LT1's are all yesterday's news, and now get beat by grocery getter cars.

There are a few of us who still have faith in our L98's and LB9's and try to mod them and hang with some of the new competition, but everytime I post something you guys come in telling me that 5.0's and LT1's are so much better than L98's and LB9's. If that's the case, why have I beat every LT1 i've raced? I have lost to 5.0's before, but they were always cammed or spraying. Sure stock for stock...an LT1 should pull on me..I'm not stock and I don't even have an F-body L98 in my car.

Oh and urbanhunter, I do hope I run into an LT1 owner who knows how to drive, I'll just spray a nice 150 shot and wave good-bye

 

Very very true. I'll be the first to bash kids with LT1s that CANT DRIVE. I've seen them go 14.5s at my track. Hell I've driven my own LT1 cars to 14.5s, because I didn't launch right. Never got worse than a 14.6 though, that was on a 2.6 60 foot

Yes you posted a kill, but then you began to argue an obviously wrong statement, I attempted to post the correct information and we ended up in an arguement.

We're on this site for different reasons. I'm here because I've owned thirds and most of my friends do. It's a great tech site for the SBC and I post in the local forums alot. Me, 25th and a few others (stu for one) post up correct information about cars that most people on this site (being a 3rd gen site) may not be familiar with. I know alot about fourthgens, 25th knows about mustangs and so on. Alot of people on here have no ideas of the true capabilities of many cars (like mustangs and imports..) and just proceed to blindly bash them. Just like you, insisting LT1s are slow and that 25th was a liar. Me and 25th have gotten into two page arguements over mustangs before, but at least he has quanitifiable proof to back up real arguements. You have nothing but hearsay and 1 trip to the track.

you're right, L98s, 5.0s and LT1s are all old and outdated. Technically, the LS1 is outdated as well. But out of those three, the only one thats going to get beat by any grocery getters is going to be the L98 But all three of those also have a commonality - they have the potential to be FAST!

LT1s outclassed the L98 in every single way. You cannot deny it. But is TPI a worthless system? No. I never said that. In fact in the last thread I specifically stated that I think L98s are good engines. TPI has uses, definetly.

As for 5.0s.. I'll leave that to the next Mustang thread

Anything can happen on the street, you'll encounter more bad drivers than you will good ones.

If you came to my house and raced my '97 in the front yard, with me driving - you would not win. My car isn't ragged out and tired and I can drive her. Better hurry, long tubes and a 3" Y-pipe are coming on Tuesday...

Untill he hits HIS 150 shot

 

I doubt every LT1 is equipped with a 150 shot. I have to do something to make up for my inferior engine. I actually know more about 4th gens than I do third gens, which is why my camaro is for sale as we speak. So I can buy a 98-00 Ls1 camaro, plus I'm tired of driving an automatic and modding an engine that just gets bashed everytime I say what it is.

You act like I don't know that an LT1 is a better engine than the L98. I know very well it's a better engine. Just as the LS1 is better than the LT1 in every way.

 

Yes it is (except displacement and price lol), and the LS2 is better than the LS1 in every way. It's the natural order of things.

 

Believe me Kyle, by the time everyone sees this post, your credability will drop significantly...

I am here for a lot of reasons, and like every ignorant thirdgen owner that asks me why I am here and tells me to go to Mustang sites, I tell you I am on every one of them, as well as a few Fbody and even GN, and Import boards. I like cars, and read up and share info about them, you should try it sometime.

Your amazing 150 shot keeps coming up like we dont or cant have nitrous also. I hate to say but your car with a 150 shot and my car with the 175+ shot I can have on it in an hour, isnt a race...

Yes outdated, but at my young age, I cant afford anything nicer or newer, so Im restoring this car, making more power with it, and having fun. I picked the easiest cheapest car I could race, mod, and have fun with and your damn right it runs great times for the mods, I take lots of pride in that.

Oh and one more thing, short of an M5, E55, and a few others, there arent many family sedans out there running the times my car runs...

 

for the record and not to fuel this fire. I live in AZ. Cars out here arent running freakishly fast times like you read about, our air and gas sucks (sometimes drivers). ls1s and Mach1s run about the 103-101mph range stock from what I've seen at the track quite a few times. i also witnessed 5 or so srt-4s trap 15.1@94mph lol so yea.

 

I'm going to agree with this much. I get sick of how anytime someone claims a victory against an LT1 or 5.0 there's always someone there to try to discredit them or remind them "oh but if that car had a good driver or the right mods, the outcome would be WAAAAY different". Neither car is very far away from L98 territory in most cases. I can understand the critics not wanting people to get too cocky about owning an outdated motor, but after a while it gets old.
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Because stock auto 5.0s aren't slower than an L98 or anything.

 

If reality, and the truth hurts and gets old, dont come in and read it. If it bothers you every time a Mustang or LT1 wins, or should win, then your going to have a miserable life. Your right, my auto 5.0 went 15.3 bone stock, I have never said it was fast, a factory freak, or anything special. But you better believe it didnt stay auto, or slow very long.

For you guys talking about gas and track sucking, my track is 1500' above sea level, and I run 89 octane. I dont run premium fuel, and my "hometown" track is not at sea level. I will go to Etown or NED and run at sea level if there is an event there, but for the most part I run at the higher track. And even at the worse track, Im only a tenth slower.

 

I'm not talking about when people LOSE to 5.0s and LT1s, I'm talking about when they BEAT them and then you guys start drawing out excuses like "the LT1 owner just couldn't drive" or "if the 5.0 had traction/if the 5.0 had your mods it would have walked you". If the car won, it won. Anything beyond that is bench racing.

 

Just have to make sure the thirdgen owners with stock LO3s that beat a ragged out car, dont think they have a 5.0 or LT1 killer on their hands... Same thing would be said if I came on and beat an 03 Cobra, or Z06 or something. And the fact is if I posted that and had people straighten me out, I would agree. Oh well, everyones different, and some people find pleasure in a simple street race with a faster car!

 

i don't think the 5.0 is as great of a motor as people brag it up to be it is a good motor don't get me wrong but do you ever see 5.0 thunder birds doing anything. i think too many people give all the credit to the 5.0 and not enough in the fox platform

 

Light cheap car, engine that responds well to bolt-ons(which are cheap) is the reason for this lore. It doesn't get any more budgety than a fox.

 

better yet try doing 75 in a 74 maverick with the alignment so bad on the front end that it looks like gozillas ma and pa where "makin love" on the hood of your car. that car would easily wear a setup of tires in 300 miles with how bad the camber was.


or just try doing 80 in a 76 accord in any condition of road


give me your lemans it's safer on only 3 wheels

 

The truth hurts, doesn't it? I only post up correct information, that way no one is getting the wrong idea about a platform. If the post is completely accurate, then I'll just say good kill. Kyles post wasnt.. he insisted LT1s were a slow motor, so I had to prove that point wrong. 25th does the same thing with Mustangs, because people here think every 5.0 is slow. All we do is set the record straight.. if you don't like it, don't read the arguements - just sit there in ignorant bliss believing that your L98 will stomp everything it comes across and there's no way a slow LT1 or a slow 5.0 can beat it.


Heh okay, got me there. Auto 5.0s ARE slow

Like I said before, the truth hurts. If someone does post an LT1 kill, I always say good kill - because it was. But often times the poster says "Are LT1s really this slow?" or something of the sort and it's necessary to correct them.

Lets not turn this into a mustang bashing thread.. we've had enough of those. There needs to be at least another week before another big arguement

 

I did forget that occasionally we do have L03 people asking about 5.0 races, or claiming victory. You've got pretty just cause speaking out there, lol.


As far as the Cobra/Z06 thing, with the type/amount of mods you need to take down either of those, most people really aren't going to question you. I'd say leeperryracing's car is in that territory, and I've yet to hear someone correct him on a big kill.

I think it's just when people have got factory or close to factory motors, the levels of inconsistency between them cause arguments.

 

I'm not bashing the mustang if anything i am giving it credit. i am just saying that mustang needs more credit not just the 5.0

 

I swear that you are not right in the head, I never said LT1s were slow, they just arent as fast as my bolt-on L98 when they only have a catback and an automatic. Like I said before, I ran a 13.67 @ 101.8 on my new drag radials last weekend. Thats enough mph and ET to beat a cat-back A4 LT1 that only traps 100ish. Around where I live there aren't too many people that even mod LT1s, the only one I know of is a H/C that runs like 11.9 on slicks. Sure the outcome may have been different had I raced an M6, but I didn't race an m6...and I have an auto myself and I won fair and square. You just can't take it that some old school junk L98 took out the precious LT1.

LT1 is only a 13.8-14.2@ 99-102ish stock car, no denying that.

 

After rereading that thread (yep, I have no life) there were a few comments in that thread suggesting L98 > LT1, I agree. But if Kyle's car is putting down 244rwhp and has 3.73s he's going to take more than just "slow LT1s and 5.0s". It's not like he's going to be able to mess with full bolt-on varieties of either car, but he'll take or match most stock examples of either.
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*switches sides*

An auto LT1, that is.

Wasn't this thread originally about a Mustang anyways? LOL

Let's work co-operatively and bash Mustangs instead. Then it'll be everyone vs. 25th....lol

 

That was funny!

 

Thats fine, I have proven a LOT smarter and more knowledgable people wrong than you. Remember I dont post things based off opinion of what ifs, I post things because thats what it is. I admit Mustangs with autos are slow, Urban got me to say LT1s are faster and have more potential, Fbodies in the late model years have been faster than Mustangs in almost every year, but when it gets into specifics and what cars can and cant do, I will speak the same amount of truth I always do. You can ask anyone including the moderators, and long time posters... I dont BS, I dont spit out useless garbage. I tell it how it is, and educate on Mustang stuff...

PS, you drive a Cutlas, not an Fbody, why the hell would they even back you up???

Actually the 5.0 is a good motor. In stock form remember it has weak truck heads, long runner intake, and restrictive components (4 cats, small TBs and MAFs, etc...). You drop these weak things and throw a little cubic inches in and your doing alright. I havent even dropped or ported the stock heads, still have the stock small cam, and the weakest aftermarket intake out there, and made get this...

272/316 to the tires. Hey its nothing huge, but for small heads, small cam, and a small intake, you cant complain right there!

 

Chill out, I was being sarcastic dude. Hence I put the "lol"s in there.

I'm currently between F-bodies. I had an L03 car until about 3 months ago.

As far as the "proven wrong" thing, that's kinda silly to compare. I proved quite a few Oldsmobile people (smart ones too!) wrong on an Olds board about the expense and trouble involved with swapping a smallblock Chevy and Chevy trans in place of a Small block Olds and Olds trans, but that's not exactly relevant, just like your comment about "proving people wrong".

 

I'm just going to state the obvious, since I'm much too inexperienced to say anything with the least bit of credibility, but doesn't it seem illogical to insist a L98 is better than an LT1 and likewise, an LT1 is better than an LS1? It's natural for newer engines to perform better than older engines, otherwise those newer engines would never have been designed to begin with. Granted, your engine could very well beat a stock LT1, but your engine is modded. If you gave the LT1 the identical mods, it would perform better instead. And I know that's what you've been saying, but when it comes down to it, LT1's do have greater potential than your engine, as they should. No one here is denying that your car beat the 'stang, and in some instances, it's unfair to call you ignorant because you believe your engine beat a slow LT1, because it most certainly did. But when it comes down to it, to the core, eliminating who's a bad driver or who did what mods, an LT1 is greater than your L98, naturally.

 

In your thread you said:

"Oh by the way I ran 8.896 in the 1/8 mile @ 78.43 mph with a 2.018 60' time."

And I responded with my catback only A4 '94 T/As 1/8th mile time, trapping faster than you on a much worse 60 foot. 8.89@78.4 is a high 13 at maybe 98 mph. I'd like to see a slip showing you trapped 101.8 in a TPI with those mods. Seems a bit high to me.

So congratulations on taking your full exhaust with long tubes, geared, CAI and ported intake car, running slower than my A4 with a catback, and beating some unknown modded LT1 on the street. Still seems funny that you would put two cars on him in 35mph.. especially with the RPMs and speeds rising. That's a VERY quick walk (for a TPI), almost like he was ragged out or not even on it all the way. Even if you had trapped 101.8, it's not enough to walk an A4 LT1 that fast.
So my judgement is either you're full of **** and the flag needs to be raised.. or it's another classic case of anything happens on the street - especially when bad drivers are involved.

 

Oh dont worry, Im extremely "chill". And I dont care what Olds people you prove wrong, it doesnt affect me. I have proven a LOT of people wrong and have even been proven wrong a few times. My great quality is when Im proven wrong I learn from it and use that in later conversations. I have had zero fbodies, and unless the right one comers up for cheap, wont ever have one. But doesnt say anywhere I can post on boards such as these (to get that out of the way before th hoards of people ask why Im here).

 

Come on everybody make up and hug!

Hey look I'm at 400 posts! YEAAAAAAH! OK!

 

WTF

Me too....

Now only if my SBC's cubic inch displacement could rise with my post count.

 

well urbanhunter and I went to the drags strip yesterday and we saw a bone stock mach 1 running 13.2-3 all day long. Also seen couple of heads/cam foxbody running low 13's at about 108mph and their good drivers. Urbanhunter and I talked to couple of foxbody drivers about foxbody trapping 108 with just bolton and they said its possible with a extremely good driver. So in conclusion it's possible to trap high with a bolton fox body

 

See the key is... good driver... Just ask my tranny about that. I beat a lot of HCI cars at the track, and that in itself makes it all worth it.

 

ya. the guy was kinda iffy about it though, but he said that its possible with a good driver. Look at me i pulled a 15.5 @104mph in my ws-6.

 

man what aer you doing running those kind of times?

 

Well I can tell you this... there us a HUGE difference between the average Mustang owner who hits the track a few times a year, and a Mustang owner who races heads up, goes 10+ times to the track a season, and works on his combo more than just a few times. Give a regular guy a car and hes out buying all the go fast goodies for it. Give a racer the same car and he will go faster with less mods, as he will make what he has work. Then you combine the best of both worlds, go fast stuff and the right owner, and you have one fast car!

 

The track prep was crappy, alot of people were spinning them off the line.
25thmustang, your definatly right. I just raced a 1990 heads/cam 5.0 5 speed not to long ago. I dunno the extent of his mods but he was modded pretty good and he is a very good driver. He said he dynoed 310rwhp. first race was from a 30mph roll, i took him about a car length by the end of 3rd and he was fading back slowly. Next race was from a stop light. the light turned green and he had the jump on me. He had a perfect launch and i spun most of first. my front bumper was at his rear bumper and it stayed that way till middle of 4th when i was inchin forward, thats when we let off, so he just offered me my first lost. Overall our cars were evenly matched. Very down to earth guy.

 

Yeah the guy from florida was running 13.0s at 108 I think. He had heads/cam/intake right? That's probably the average times you're going to see from a 5.0 H/C/I car. Some people like 25th will just take it to the extreme, drive it like they stole it and wring every possible thousandth of a second out of their vehicles.

The machs though were definetly impressive, that one was dialed in at 13.1. I think he was completely stock with a catback wasn't he? Sounded like he had at least a muffler.
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I didn't get better than a 2.3 60 foot lol. and we won't go into yours And that headwind was awful

 

My friends Mach 100% untouched stock was going low 13s all day with him letting off. He had to run his number, and had gone 13.2 his second pass so he had to stay slower than that. Needless to say there was a 13.1 maybe even a 13.0 in the car. But I will say he is a very good driver, and the track prep was there that day. Car was also for sale, 3000 miles or so for $16000.. cheap as can be.

 

tony the mach 1 was totally stock. I just raced h/c/i foxbody today and its pretty much an even match down the 1/4 mile.

 

Can't we all just get along

 

LOL funny you say that cuz my neighbor across the alley has a H/C/I 5.0 mustang and my friend in his 94 camaro that has a swapped bolt-on LS1 camaro stomped him pretty bad today

 

It depends on what combo you have. You can make a 302 dog motor at 220 hp, or you can make it a 500 hp screamer. Course not much more than that.. because the block will crack in half

 

I've seen a picture of that floating around the web a couple years ago. Cleanest crack I've ever seen. Amazing.

 

I read the first page of stuff and saw kyles comment about all 25th and urbanhunter does is come here and tell us what 3rd gens cant do. Completely wrong. They point out to us what their cars can do. Just like stu and rx7speed keep us in check about imports. A lot of us get thrown off by the reputations and myths that some of the cars have and they prove them wrong to us. There has been plenty of times where 25th has chimmed in when we needed information about mustangs and with his knowledge of them i dont doubt anything he says about them really. Especially if its how fast his car goes.

They have been here longer than you and are much more respected.

You say they tell us what 3rd gens cant do, but you tell him what his own car cant do. Why dont you go make a trip to a "rustang" site and tell them what they cant do.

 

Thank you, I rarely if ever say what another car cant do, unless Im saying what a Mustang cant do (which happens a bunch). I know some of what thirdgens can and cant do, but not enough to go claiming things (unlike when thirdgen guys who dont know claim what Mustangs cant do).

Believe me, one of these days you will ask a Mustang question and Ill answer it, and you'll be happy.

 

As long as there is a fight about what a car can and can't do, I'm on the list of names that will be brought up, even if I haven't even read the thread. I feel kind of famous.

 

stu and other non third gen owners maybe that is because your post count dwarfs most people on this sight

stu is the boards Honda tuner

25th is the boards mustang guy

urbanhunter is the boards 4th gen guy

i could name others but i will stop there

 

This is the only forum in the board I post on to.

 

and didn't you have like 2000 posts before your account got screwed up?

Thanks for someone finally sticking up for us. I never said anything to drag down any thirdgen owner. If I was going to say **** like that I wouldn't post here. I've owned 2 thirdgens myself and want another one for a daily driver...

 

And without us here, there might be a LOT of horrible misinformation...

Dont worry Stu, me and RX7 used to be like that back in like 2001 and 2002 (only I had a different name back then). There are always guys on boards with other cars. You guys are just lucky I share knowledge, and keep some of you in line.