last night me and my dad where out and we happened to get stuck at the same red light, so when it turned green we both went at it and I had him to about 30-40mph then he just blew my doors off like I was standing still right now I only have a home made cool air intake and a bad raven cat back

maybe when i put the slp runners, slp cold air intake, new cat and borla on I will give him more of a run

what will I have do to really put up a good fight or beat him

 

I would get some headers and a new y-pipe. Those cars are good mid to high 13 second cars with a decent driver.

 

theyre faster than that... id say mid - low 13s with good driver. a guy had one at my local track running 12.9 at 107mph with just an Xpipe

 

I know for sure it can hit a mid 13 stock, i took a ride in an 03 mach 1 and it hauled.

 

they are pretty much par for LS1s so there you have it.

 

Figure as fast as an LS1 with slightly slower traps. Bolt ons and hello 12s with ease. Your going to need a decent amount to run him down, and hope he doesnt mod it.

 

Full exhaust including headers, CAI, good tires, little weight reduction, and most of the free mods like portin your plenum, portin your throttle body, etc. I have raced against one when i was with my friend in his LS1 camaro. From a dig he got us and held us off til about 90 then we slowly creeped up. From a 50 roll we just inched away.

From my experience I've noticed Mach 1's usually hit some killer 60 foot's. The race will be won in the launch and if you have just enough power to hold him off for a bit, you could probably win if you dont race up to too high of speeds.

 

he said he makes all his power after 3000 rpm's and he wont really launch hard worried about the clutch so its only after like 30 mph and he just makes me feel like im standing still

 

Ask you dad to give you about $5000!

Yeah with a good driver a full bolt on mach 1 can beat a LS1 but a full bolt on LS1 with a good driver theres no contest. AND YOU FORD GUYS KNOW IT!!!

 

Haha not if you bolt nitrous on the Mach 1, those bottom ends are awesome.

 

Depends on who owns the car and what you mean by full bolt ons. Full bolt on Mach, with steep gears and a sticky tire, will go 11s all day long. If you dont believe me, buy me one and pay for the mods.. I gaurentee 11s!

 

A guy on one of my local boards has a LS1 A4 TA that runs 12.80's N/A and 10.60's on spray. Stock bottom end too!

 

I've seen a couple claims of this, but in every case they had suspension and had lightened the car.

None the less, a full bolt on LS1, with gears and tires WILL be faster

 

Although I hate ford, those dohc 4.6's sound like pure sex driving by, especially when supercharged, ie. The Cobra..

 

every cobra around here has some horrible exhaust, sounds like it's just straight pipes. God it SUCKS

At least the 5.0 guys actually sound a bit better.

 

I personally LOVE the sound of the 03/04 Cobras. The right exhaust on those is sex on wheels. Louder the better!

 

I didn't want to get in to this, but **** it...

Say it foo! Ya know LS1 car will beat a Mach I every time mod for mod...

 

See you generalize a little too much. It depends on so many factors. For the majority, of course the LS1 is an animal, and not many if any of the stock Mustangs can touch them. But noone leaves them stock long.

A 1998 LS1 with a bad driver, will get destroyed by a well driven 03 or 04 Mach. Granted thats worse case scenario and for the most part the LS1 is going to be faster, I agree with that. And if you really want to get into **** over some comments I make, get off the internet and have fun with your real life. I have my opinion, I have seen a lot of fast Fbodies, Mustangs and everything inbetween (have over 300 track passes myself to boot) and can base my OPINION off that. I will say what I want... foo

 

Although I hate ford, those dohc 4.6's sound like pure sex driving by, especially when supercharged, ie. The Cobra..

Gotta agree (see sig). My '03 has Borla Stingers and it is loud. And I'm positive Ford lovers don't exactly like me because my Cobra is my daily driver. On the Ford forums, I refer to it as my daily-driven, kid-haulin', grocery-gettin' "beater", while both my Camaros only see the light of day when the weather is good.

And speaking of, this isn't exactly "racing", but did I mention somewhere about my experience with a Porsche on I-8 between Tucson & San Diego? Let's just say it was a rush doing 160+.....

 

 

I agree with 25th. He definitely knows his mustang stuff. I see NA mach 1s in the high 11s all the time around here. I would love to have a mach one, in azure blue please.

 

 

Ha thats nothing! Try doing 120+ on Germany's Autobond in a 88 Pontiac Lemans and have a the left rear tire come off!

 

The one-up man ^, anything you've done he's done it and even more

Hey 25th Mustang, How do you get such high traps with just a bolt-on 5.0. Most of the bolt-on 5.0's around here are lucky to hit high 13's

 

Its all about knowing what your doing... Also to note the heads have 93 Cobra valves in them. This year look for ported heads, maybe a speed density set up, suspension and a GEAR. Hmm low 12s, high 11s?

 

Still though, I know a guy with trick flow heads, Trick flow intake, and bolt-ons and he only traps about 103

 

My car with just bolt ons trapped 103. Has seen 107.92 mph on its best pass, and there is a bunch left in it. My goal as the car sits with a steeper gear is 108 mph and 12.4s. Then some suspension and porting into the low 12s. The reason our cars (my dad has one too that runs good numbers) run so fast is because we mod them right, and get the most out of a combo. I probably have 300+ track passes, and have learned to drive the car well. I have seen others run mid to high 13s and slower in my car that I run mid 12s in, and also have never had anyone run a faster time in the same car (even their cars).

It just practice and getting the most out of it!

 

I have a hard time believing that a bolt on 5.0 can run 108 mph traps. You must have other stuff done. Think about it. Your car probably would run a 14.7ish bone stock. Adding all the bolt-ons there is noway u gain like 15 mph, unless it's some godly combo. My full bolt-on L98 as of last weekend ran a 13.67 @ 101.8 mph. I don't see how a 5.0 can be any better besides the manual and it may be a little bit lighter. Still I don't see your gains for an average 5.0.

I believe everybody until they prove themselves wrong, so if you got a 108 trap that is DAMN good and you are one hell of a driver/modder.

 

If he was a good driver stock in his lx, it would probably be able to pull off a time a little lower than 14.7 . Those are GT times with a good driver.

 

Alright Kyle you know jack**** about Mustangs, so lets start there...

Second off, I have listed my mods MANY times for my car. If you dont believe them, it all boils down to someone with a slow car pissing and moaning that he cant touch someone else with a fast car. Not only will it go mid 12s all day long on a tire, I will drive to and from the track in leather lined comfort (thats right, its not gutted or lightened) with the CD player going and nail down 25+ mpg. You dont believe my times, oh well, cant impress every clueless GM owner out there. Not only did my car trap 107-108 the FIRST and only time I ran it on radials, but I got second place in a national level Mustang race, got my picture in a magazine, and made a lot of money for it. I have been here long enough for everyone to believe me, have met and hung out with people from the boards, and even spearheaded getting a Mustang owner removed, because he lied about track times (claimed he went 13.1 when he really went 13.5). So before you come on here with your 200 posts, and try to stir up something, realize your just going to look stupid.

Also the car didnt run 14.7 stock (again way to ASSume something you dont know). It was an auto, and ran a 15.3. So I went from 15.3 @ 90 to a 12.5 @ 106 with very little done, and very little spent. I know it hurts when your bigger motored car was being beat by much less moded ones (my dads 91 went 13.3 @ 101 with pulleys, catback, 3.55s, struts, filter, and a clutch) but hey, thats why the internet is so fun, you dont have to deal with reality...

Now this might sound funny, but I am an easy guy to get along with (ask Urbanhunter), usually will agree with things, but if you want to spout off how you [who probably has NO Mustang experience] dont see how my car does what it does... give me a break. I know what Im doing, and to be cocky about it, I do what I do VERY WELL (for anyone who watches Pinks, they will remember that quote).

Oh and to add to it, I will be posting my two timeslips as well...

 

EDIT: If this doesn work, click on my ink in the sig, go to page 4 (hey check that out TONs of pages of MY actual car and what it looks like) and on the bottem are the two passes. I also have dyno numbers on there that might **** you off as well, but we will not talk about those yet.

Here you go... first one is a 12.56 @ 105.8, second is a 12.99 @ 107.6. The second one if you look should say Fun Ford Weekend, which is the event I competed in and got second place. Made money from the sponsors, as well as from FFW and the track.

 

Ok for one saying I know nothing about mustangs is a dumb thing to say. The first car I ever owned and still own is an 86 5.0 manual. Granted I wasn't a professional driver, the car still had shorties, exhaust, cai, and an edelbrock performer intake, my dad also had a set of GT-40 heads he said I could use, but never got around to putting on. My dad is a mustang guy, he owns a 2001 buillit GT as we speak and has a 1992 GT as a project car that he is building up.

Well my first run down the track with 275 nitto's was a 14.3 @ 96.67 mph and a 2.08 60' time. Second run it dropped 2 tenths but gained a mph, 14.5 @ 97.23 with a 2.12 60' time. I let her cool down for awhile and then ran my best time of the night with a 14.19 @ 97.4 mph with a 2.00 flat 60' time. I let me dad drive the car(whom is a better driver than i am) and he knocked it down to 14.01 @ 97.7 mph with a 1.98 60' time.

I am in no way saying I don't believe you, I just don't understand the 16 mph trap gains from such small mods. Although your mustang is newer than mine, and has more stuff done... So you ran a 108 mph trap with bolt-ons, maybe you can help me with my ol mustang rotting out back.

 

Dont worry after reading some of your posts here and you saying you dont believe me... I doubt Id be willing to help. Call me a ****, you wouldnt be the first person.

And congrats you ran 14s, with those same mods (weaker intake and no flat tops like the 86s had) I went 13.0 @ 103. How can I help someone who runs slow times?

You want my opinion, you should be easy mid to high 13s all day with that 86 and until you get there the car and driver will never run impressive times. Thanks though for trying to say I have more mods than I do, it really makes me feel good, because I know I am doing everything right.

 

Your car runs the times of an LT1, it's lucky to hit 190 rwhp stock. I have never seen a bolt-on mustang even come close to those times, and there are a LOT of 5.0's around here. Driver's error wouldn't net me 4-5 mph and a full second. I am not a bad driver, nor is my dad.


Oh well I'd still beat ya in my camaro

 

Cool down, dude. This happens quite frequently on the TPI boards to F-BODY owners on these boards who have faster than usual setups. So you're not being singled out as a Mustang owner. 12s may be usual in your area, and I'm not doubting that a 5.0 can run 12s, it's just a little much for most of us, cause most of us have been to the track many times and NEVER seen it happen. You're just going to have to deal with the questioning until every Johnny-come-lately with a 5.0 is hitting 12s with bolt-ons, because it's simply unusual, and people DO lie about stuff over the net.

I believe you about it, but even scanning timeslips doesn't definitively prove anything. They could easily be timeslips from someone else's car. Even filming a video isn't foolproof. Only you know for sure what's been done to your car, or that it's even your car in the video. Arguing on the internet sucks, doesn't it?

Again, not saying your lying, cause I don't think you are, I'm just saying that you might as well smile and say "even IF my 5.0 has more than bolt-ons, it sure manages to go faster than your bolt-on L98, eh?"

 

Hah yeah with a 150 shot... and even then you would only take me by a few cars. And whose to say I cant hook a little kit on my car and bust off some low 11s high 10s with it? Actually I could have a nitrous kit on the car in an hour if it came down to it. But Id rather go fast with little done, and know when I do step up, I wont be whining about 103 mph traps with a HCI car!

Believe me the past 3 years I have been dealing with 50% of the people I meet not believing it, and even before that my dads car had the same amount of non believers. It does get old, but I dont care, I have personally hung out and raced with TGO people, and if you like I could get them to back up EXACLTY what I say. I get the same questions day in and day out, and personally whatever, jeleousy is a bitch sometimes.

And if your running mid 14s with those mods, you cant drive, end of story. Go out and learn how to shift, and launch, and then come back and ask questions. Until then, the car will always be slow!

Whatever its fun, I get to post the mean, bastard, pissed off stuff here, click the next link and forget all about it. Come back, have my fun and leave. The last thing at the end of the day on my mind is this, and it makes for a nice release to deal with the people who you can never please.

Have fun not believing it, and I will have fun driving, and enjoying the car that does what you dont believe.

 

Point out that your 60' is a half-second faster then his...

 

also point out ur on a third gen sit and you own a mustang. What a moron...go to a rustang site and claim your b.s. you're obviously lying about your mods..

 

Only on slicks. Their 60' times on street radials are very close. This is a matter of tuning, IMO. 25th has done a few things to his setup that many bolt-on 5.0 guys don't know about.

 

I'm on a thirdgen site, and I own a fourthgen. So ****ing what. 25th contributes highly to the community that doesn't know jack about mustangs.

Here are some facts for you:

94-04 Mustang GTs were slow as *****. All of them. The Cobras had the better DOHC motors though and had some good grunt to them.

'05/'06 Mustang GTs just now got 300hp (welcome to 1993, Ford) and tend to trap at the same as an M6 LT1.

5.0 Foxbody stangs are very much unlike their younger brothers. They're a V8, solid axle, good tranny in a light frame. And their block is a true 4" block unlike the Chevy 5.0.

25th's times ARE uncommon. He has posted proof and like he's said, he's raced with people from this board (I think I remember a thread somewhere...).

25th gets his times because he practices and practices with his car. Basically when he ran that 107 trap, he did EVERYTHING PERFECT. Probably had good air too. He gets the most that he possibly can from a car and then runs the living **** out of it down the strip. What he does, is real racing. Real calculated thought put into his vehicle with the sole intention of making it go down that strip at a faster than normal speed.

25th is DEFINETLY in the upper echelons of bolt-on 5.0 performance. Most full bolt-on 5.0s I see around here are barely scratching 13.6s. 25th is almost a full second lower.

His car does seem to have a LOT of power though, shown by those high traps (best I've seen local is 103 from full bolt-on cars). With the way I know how to calculate hp from trap speeds, he's got 320 fwhp in a 3300 raceweight car. I honestly think his car is a freak. But a good freak plus a good driver is a good combination.

 

This guy is a ***.

 

Alright, I am going to step in here as a member of 3.5 years. 25thMustang is a GREAT person to have on these boards. He knows more about fox bodies than about anyone here. Yes, his car runs the time he is posting. Yes, Mustangs WILL hit those times with a good driver, and a good condition car. Yes, there are fox bodies around here that run around his times with similar mods. I am getting sick of newer members ****ting on him becuase he owns a mustang, or because his mustang is fast. GET OVER IT. If you cannot accept that fact that a lot of members here WANT 25thMustang around, then you should move on to another site. Have a nice day.

 

I just can't figure it out. You and urbanhunter are the same way...you basically just come here to tell people what third gen's can't do. Like with urbanhunter trying to prove me a liar when I beat an LT1. LT1's are 14 second cars, far from fast.

Then you guys try to educate me on mustangs, i've been around them my whole life, i know exactly what they are capable of.

 

well i have raced against my friends 91 mustang convert and i was suprised how well it kept up with me from a dig. then again he hooked real good and i just spun with my bald tires. I dunno the extent of his mods but i know its a rebuilt 302 bored .030 over, 5 speed, stock heads, fairly mild cam, shorties headers, full exaust, no cats, dumps, full suspension, and 3.73 gears. we raced from a dig and he pretty much raped me off the line but by the begining of 4th gear hes 5+ car lengths and fading quickly. supposly the original owner of the 5.0 ran a 12.8 in the 1/4 mile. Now for the mach 1 i've seen them run high 12's with just only drag radials.

 

Apparently not. I watch LT1's go 14's all day long. A mile above sea level.

 

Apparently so, I see them go 14's all the time at sea level..I guess it's just the driver...even tho they are AUTOMATICS. I occasionally see a stockish 6 speed LT1 go 13.8 ish

 

to all you doubter have you ever herd of factory freaks

 

No one tried to prove you a liar, I just tried to show everyone that you're a ****ing moron. And I succeeded .. as is evidenced by this thread.

Go ahead and think LT1s are slow.. sooner or later you'll find someone that can drive.

 

This thread is great, now Kyle is fighting a fw other people. My car is by no means a freak, but it is faster than the average car with the same mods. And when I say the same mods I mean everything the same. I have told you the mods, you know what is done to it and how fast it goes. I have no reason to lie to a thirdgen owner who lives nowhere near me, as my whole goal in life is NOT to impress you. You obviousely havent read many of my near 3000 posts (I have had 3 names on this site since 2000) here, and seen what I ahve contributed. I dont see anywhere I say what thirdgens cant do, and if you see me on a post, Im usually only telling you what Mustangs CAN do.

You talk about what cars CAN run from what you see at the track. Then you claim you have only been once. Hmmm makes me wonder how many of them you have actually seen go down the race track. I have hundreds of timeslips from 10 seconds to 16 seconds. I have driven many different cars, competed in national level events, and placed in those events. I have never had anyone run a faster time in their car, and have a fast car for whats done to it. I dont see why Im typing this much to prove any of this to you, personally I dont care what your opinion is on anything.

Learn from this, me and urban have gone at it a few times, yet it seems everytime we come out of something or agree somewhere, and never have any issues until the next disagreement. Maybe this is because we have both had fast cars and show respect to each other for that.

Well this is probably going to get the soon, but oh well. Ill sit back and wait for the next 4 posts from Kyle about his amazing street races.

 

I can agree 100% with 25th. I've run into several Fox bodies and late SN-95's with minimal mods running times and trap speeds comparable to what he runs. I can tell by his MPH that he makes the most of every last HP. While far from the norm, it's happening everyday. As far as my experiences with LT1 F-bodies, I can honestly say that 95% of the stockers I've seen run 14.0-14.5. Some of those actually have cold air and cat-backs also. In my opinion, most would be in the 13's with good air and decent track prep but as I've stated in the past that's not the case at my track. It's a situation where if you're bringing factory rubber, you better expect not to hook. Even on 315/35/17 Nitto Drag Radials, I'm lucky to get a 1.8 60 ft. On the street, stoplight to stoplight, it's ugly for stock or near stock LT1's. I'm not taking anything away from the LT1's. I'm sure a geared and DR LT1 would pull me but I just haven't happened upon one yet.