wow mad_iroc you have horrible spelling. Anyways for 25000 i would probaly just use it as my money through college and the rest on a litte 4 banger to drive me through it. After i graduate that would be about the time the 5th gen camaro would come out and i would get one of those.

 

Sorry For my english but I don't care if its so horrible!!! I'm a french and je peux bien ecrire en français, mais tu ne me comprendra rien mon cher, so

If I have 25K$ cash, I would probably invest it fare away from my car too but I just said that I would never pay 5 year for a car like STI just to be the fastest because they will alwas have a little 200gt or little civic that will have a 25K of goodies in that will give you a kik in the as*s

so understand what you want!!

I love you anyway body!!!

 

i love you too, but i think you spell your french wrong too dear one. Anyways has the topic starter even raced the guy yet?

 

Mad iroc go back to wherever you came from, we were MUCH better here without this crap coming out of you... you WONT run 6s with $25K, and your "old F" wont impress anyone with that kind of money into it... How do I know? Read your retarded reply...

If you think this is anything worth posting... Go back, have someone edit your dumba$$ replys and then comr back and speak OUR LANGUAGE... until then refrain from the internet, and let the ADULTS talk!

 

Ok so getting back on topic...

The older STi's are a mid to low 13's car correct? So what do the new ones run? Are the Evo's the same?

 

Yes it is right, the sti is a 300hp car that can give a shot to many other one!!

But if you want beat a one, you have to get in the same HP range almost and shift it right!!


Sorry for getting away!!!

 

All I have to say about this post is you made me look 100 times better by posting this dribble! Keep it up though, Id love to see another person get banned because of me!

 

ROFL ... Mad is a retard.

I went from a mid-11 second 36K on the odometer F-Body in beautiful shape to a new '05 STI. Trust me, I got more than AWD - rofl. Someone seemed to have forgot about stuff like 13" brakes with 4-piston calipers, Airbags all around, 5-star crash ratings, ABS, 4 doors for kids (I have 2 kid seats in the back), forged lightweight 17" wheels, etc.

I just reprogrammed a stock '04 WRX (non-STI). I did all the programming myself and WOW what a difference. Stock WRXs sure are slow ... but with just a reflash the thing pulls so much better. I can reflash Subarus for nothing more than the price of an $80 cable. I'm extremely impressed with how quickly the Do-It-Yourself ECU reprogramming is coming along. I initially thought that it would take forever. However, I have been very surprised to find out that there are actually MORE hardcore ECU guys in the subaru community than in the thirdgen community ... and those hardcore ECU guys have a lot of IT experience.

t

 

1. Wow, where did you all read this men???
2. You got AIR bag!! When I removed my top, I have some kind-of air too!!
3. You can crash it for a 5-Star Crash, Go for it!!!
4. ABS, Well most poeple remove the fuse, we don't want of ABS!!
5. 4 doors for kids?!?, You just need a one to enter your plastic toy!!!
6. Forged lightweight 17" wheels, Hey men, put 18" one's, what are you wating on???

Other point ??? not convince!!!

After all, you'r still in the mid 11, you have a 'like the other one' car(nothing exotic in an probably blue STI) and you don't have any other money that for paying you assurance,car, and just wait to do a break job on it!

Unless it is a 2005 car that cost about a leg

Just compare 350hp whit 350 one!!

Go away blue and continue passing GeoMetro, You should be all-right, school begin soon, you will have some 10 hp scooter to beat!!


So George Bush!!! who is retarded body!!!!

 

I skipped some of the posts, but I read a lot.... Seems to be that everyone seems to generally be implessed with WRXs and so on. They are nice and fast, BUT at the same time, it is not like they are free.

People have been saying, "If I had 25K I would blah blah blah...."

Well I had about 25K and I am very happy to say that I am just aobut to be finished with a 500 Hp, 385 fully forged and roller, 6 speed, 200 NX shot, 12 bolt, lambo doored, chromoly driveshaft, Viper tires, 17x9.5 17x11" rimed, Fully custom interior (much better than stock), roll caged, fuel celled 100% new wiring, and all the suspention parts you could imagine, moded car that I am positive will be faster than any STI for just about 25K... Thats all I gotta say.

If you wanna see what I am building check out my website. By the way I also have 99% of my reciets too. just my

 

No ABS, No AWD, No Crumple Zones, No 5 Star Safety Rating, No Airbags, No 4-doors, etc, etc. Been there, done that. My IROC ran mid-11's easy and only had 36K on the odometer. The IROC was great as a toy. It turned out exactly like I wanted it .... when I was 20 years old. However, it sucked as a daily driver for a 30-something year old guy with 2 kids and a job where he needs to show up without smelling like a racetrack. For me, at this moment in my life, I need a versatile performance car. The F-Body isn't versatile. Period. I put both my kids in the STI and drove over to a friend's house in the snow with no worries ... .. . and that was just ONE situation amongst MANY where I have used my STI where I would have never used the camaro.

Furthermore, this whole discussion about money is just plain stupid. How many people have 25K cash just sitting around that is currently slotted toward car stuff? There is a big difference between financing a car and building one. The whole money argument just makes no sense. Give me 25K and I will build a nice car. Give me $0 and I will finance a nice car. Duh. LOL.

 

I never said that the car I am making is good for kids. For god sakes no. I am 23 and would never put any kid in my car. It is WAY too loud, rumbles a ton and is a TOY. I know this. If I wanted a nice family car I wouldn't be talking on this forum. The $ issue is not relevant, you are right.

But then again, don't get me wrong, I still wouldn't buy an STI this lifetime.

There is just better stuff out there, IMO. I live neer boston where we get PLENTY of snow and I have never felt like I need AWD. As far as my life has turned out, I have witnessed 3 crashed of cars that have AWD or 4 WD. I have never seen or been in a crash in a car that has just 2 WD. In the right hands AWD is good, but 99% of the public takes it too litterally and thinks that since they have 4 wheels spinning, ice is no longer slippery. If you drive save in the winter, and actually know what you are doing. And rampage all summer if you want, I do not see the need for AWD.

When I am done with this toy I will buy a nice Impala or something to get me from home to work.

I was born Dominican and raised here in Boston, I have a TON of appresiation for the lifestyle that the USA provides and somehow feel like I am helping out when I buy a US made car.... But anyways, that is a whole other story completly.

Camaro's will allways be above any other car to mod in my eyes. Period.

 

You are helping out American car companies by buying American, but you are certainly not helping America.

Buying American when it's not the best only encourages mediocrity in the market.

I'd like to know what car is equally as versitile and "better" than an STi for $30,000.

 

WOW.... Thats all I have to say. If that is your mind set then, damn. I am not even getting into this "WRX is the best ever" convos.

American cars are doing GREAT, that is why they won more than 1/2 of the TQAs. Total qualitly awards this year.

If you really thing that WRXs are the best thing ever. Then get why don't you go talk there. I am done with this thread.

I will see all you WRX lovers on the streets.... later

 

You're kidding right? Not one single domestic car made it onto the Consumer Reports top ten this last year. I'm not saying that all car companies don't make at least one mediocre vehicle, but the domestic entry level stuff really tends to suck.

 

Well thats certainly not what MSN.com said about the total quality awards. I know that corvette alone won 2 out of the 20 categories. Best sports car and best convertible. Check MSN, that is the only reason I say what I did. It should be all there. Google it maybe. I think it is called TQA or something.

 

No one in their right mind can argue that the Corvette isn't one of the best cars ever made. Chevy's got great trucks as well. Other cars are seriously lacking though. Actually, Chevy has been making some strong moves with their line up lately that I think will have very positive effects.

 

Do it, you will smoke that *****.

 

You've had that STI for awhile now, any quarter mile numbers...?

[quote=TRAXION]I have been very surprised to find out that there are actually MORE hardcore ECU guys in the subaru community than in the thirdgen community, and those hardcore ECU guys have a lot of IT experience.[quote]

I'm not that surprised, to be honest. I hit the track twice a week, and there are very few 3rd generations running nowadays, and the ones that are, are gutted, tubbed and carbed. Mind you, they are consistently running in the 9's though...

Also, in reference to four doors for the kids, and airbags all around... contrary to popular belief, they aren't the safest things for children (many have died from their impact as a result). In my opinion, nothing beats a quality safety harness (for racing applications, of course).

 

No doubt. But it will NEVER be as cool. I'll leave that to the ryce eatin' noodle suckin' crowd (it's like a fad for them, every one of them has got one).

And yes, GM is making bold moves latley. I not only work for the company, but as an free-spirited individual, I see it happening. They really have no choice. And at this point in time (GM), they know it.

It's either swim, or sink.

 

i think gm is going down the right road my releasing the saturn sky (ive already seen about 10 of those on the roads), and making the cobalt an economical sports car.

 

In a redlight or 1/8 race a Subaru STI/WRX will humiliate a 350TPI with just headers catback it will whip us by a couple of carlengths at least if not more the models that we have here in Europe which are the turbos and i dare say som 90% of these cars are modded in some way or another(rally is popular around here and Subarus/Mitsubishi Evos are a dozen car),signs to be aware of is gold or white wheels the wing and those single 4inch pipes many of them makes 1/8 times around 8.5 or lower,what will a 350tpi do not more than 9.5 maybe,a full second is humiliating i think in a 1/8 race,but from a roll making 55mph you will smoke most of them as the awd is a very severe handicap above those speeds.

regards Mats

 

Well a bolt on TPI should go better than 9.5 in the 1/8th... Probably low 9s, high 8s. Also to note from a roll the cars are pretty even. The TPIs dont do so well up top, and would probably be a decent roll race with an STI (talking bolt on TPI L98 car here).

 

ABS, air bags all around, crumple zones.... ?!?!?!?!?

at the NEWEST, our cars are 15 years old. they didn't even HAVE air bags, crumple zones were only an idea yet to be implemented, AWD systems sucked total ******** and didn't get used, and ABS was rarely incorporated in anything other than family sedans (and even then, only during the last couple years of our cars run)

might as well compare a late 40's car in stock trim to a 60's hotrod and start pointing out retarded obvious things like "it has steel wheels, tubeless tires, 8 cylinders, a choke, electric starter, power brakes, radio, etc."

it depends on the situation of the person, and last i checked *looks at the site banner* you're on the WRONG site to be advocating family safety as the major attraction... even this THREAD is about WHO IS FASTER.

I can buy a nice 3rdgen for the down payment on an STi, and put 500 bucks and some hours into it every month. not only will i have more fun, and spend all kinds of great hours crawling around a car with my 5 year old son (hows THAT for a family car?), I can not pay my car payment ANY time i want. and for 25,000 i would have a 400hp 350, a t-56, aftermarket disc at all four corners, some nice 18's with good tires, full street suspension, and no doubt quite a few appearance mods

*exhales*

not trying to flame or nothing, but that's my opinion of the situation.

with all of that being said, the STi's are very nice cars, and very quick too. but they're more of a "i have money and now my cars faster than yours" type of ride rather than a gearheads weekend fix.

no one is right or wrong, it is ALL A MATTER OF OPINION AND PREFERENCE, but this is the absolutely worst spot you could ever try to make a case

*drops 2 cents*

 

all I can say is

Dizturbed One, you just said everything I have ever ment to say. hehe.

right on.

 

I completely understand everything you said in your post EXCEPT for the comment I quoted. Everyone has their own opinion and I respect what you said ... and can understand it.

HOWEVER, the comment from you that I quoted is totally wrong. Period. You aren't entrenched in the hardcore Subaru scene (and yes, there is a hardcore subaru scene) so, honestly, you don't have a clue about gearheads with respect to the STI. I have seen just as much weekend-fix gearhead-type stuff in my STI circles as I do in my F-Body circles (I am still involved with both). People swapping motors, trannys, diffs, etc. People doing all sorts of suspension mods and talking true suspension tech. People flashing their own ECUs and doing their own tuning. In fact, I have witnessed more tech in the Subaru community than in the thirdgen community .... and, I have a ton of experience on this board (was on this board a LONG time ago - 10 years or so) when it existed before Dirk.

I just needed to clarify that comment because it is so wrong. I respect the rest of what you said. I just don't agree.

t

 

i also understand what you're saying

but you can't sit here and tell me a large majority of people owning WRX's are doing motor and tranny swaps. it's just not worth it. maybe when they get older, but not now. yes, people are doing it, but so what? someone is out there right now, trying to shove an old cadillac motor into a dodge colt, and there is probably a forum with 1000 other users trying to do the same thing.

but that doesn't mean a dodge colt is seen as a do-it-yourself-and-go-fast kind of car.

BUT... the typical buyer of a Camaro will instantly think "hey, i could put exhaust on this, some discs in the rear, gears, open element/CAI... and go fast." the typical buyer of an STi will think "i can buy this, and go fast."

THAT's what I'm talking about.

then there are hardcore guys that will cage, lower, full suspension, fiberglass hood, etc. to a camaro. but they aren't typical. just like guys doing swaps in a WRX, not typical.

i could go on, and make alot more points backing this up, but i think you understand what i'm getting at. its about the general concensus of a car, not what you COULD do and what some ARE doing.

disclaimer: an STi is a performance car. I am not saying it isn't. so before anyone that's not quite as mature as Traxion is being about our debate starts flaming me, I'm talking about the TYPICAL owner, NOT the car itself, or the hardcore guys.

 

That's cool. We can agree to disagree - and I do disagree. I'm entrenched in both scenes. Both scenes have noobs. Both scenes have hardcore guys. I could care less about a cadillac motor in a dodge colt with regard to our conversation here (although I would definitely like to see that . This is about comparing the thirdgen community vs the subaru community. There are more posts on the popular subaru boards concerning real tech and modifications as compared to the thirdgen boards. That's just a fact.

t

 

There is absolutely no comparison there, stock for stock that is (in reference to what the factory, and aftermarket, has given us to work with). However, I myself plan on turbo-charging my newest project, a '92 3.1 Firebird w/5 speed. Once plumbed, I'll be contacting RBob about the EBL system. Although what I am working with isn't exactly considered "new" and exciting, I honestly don't see how one wouldn't consider this real tech (unless you got something against pushrods)....

 

If you want to get that in depth about it, then the thirdgen community doesnt even hold a candle to the fox body Mustang community. Actually NO car out there holds a candle to the following, and amount of modified cars and people owning them. Each car has a different type of following and even inside the community there are different types of people...

The point I think that is being made is the Subaru is a good all around car for the money. Not the best bang for the buck to go fast, but then again it wasnt designed to be, and comparing the cost of a newer car to that of an older one will never be "fair".

To down on a car because of the following or lack ofis probably why the following never started. I like seeing new things, and enjoy a fast foreign car, especially one that is versatile.

In the end noones opinion will change about the Subaru or the thirdgen. Iknow die hards in all kinds of cars and most of them have the same mentality, go fast!

 

Who keeps bringing this thread back... damn....

 

Its a discussion, I dont see how people posting in it is an issue! And Ill keep bringing it back so long as there is still things to talk about!

 

there isnt things to talk about.. thast the thing.. just the same thing being argued about over and over again

 

Totally true.
The one thing that this guy is missing is that he said "do it from a roll".
I think you'd have a better chance from the start.
That eludes the fact hes not running a stock turbo possibly or hiding a shot in there. Most of the real fast ones are disguised as stockers.
My buddies STi freaking jumps off the line (lots of mods and boost) but its not insane off the line. Once its rolling, look out!
It freaking pulls from 40 or so to 150 mph like nothing.
I might have a shot with him until he hits 3rd, then its bye bye for me.
Once that boost comes up, forget about catching it without some heavy mods done. There's a whole crowd of them around here that are pretty insane and are looking worse than stockers just for effect.
I'm a GM guy primarily but American cars all the way. That thing is most impressive and has opened my eyes to what has been going on outside the U.S. for some time. Some good people have just got thier heads on right and have made something really cool, but for the $, I think a nice big block car would be more fun. Then again, that's just me. (I tell him that all the time )

 

You can finance modded cars just like a new one. Credit card anyone?

 

YEAH, big block or these days you can get SBC that are as insane. I personaly LOVE the idea of no power adder and relying all on motor. Thats on of the things that makes Vettes so cool.

 

Totally My next project will most likely end up being a big block camaro. Just not sure if it will be 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen I'm really leaning towards a '67 big block camaro. I love the lines of the '67.

Tim

 

my cousin has an 04 sti and that thing is a blast to drive its like a gocart with a huge turbo on city streets

 

yeah, they are neat. My buddy has a WRX that fun to see how turbos work/lag... hehe. I personaly hate anythings that even resembles the sound of a vacume cleaner sucking in air...... But thats just me. My next project will most def be a big block 69 SS Camaro.... If you havea nice one of those, esspecially with big brakes and E.F.I. You are at the top of the food chain in terms of almost everything...

One of the icons of the muscle car era...


But anyways, that is just getting into my personal prefrence and not waht this thread is about.

WRXs are cool in their own field, Camaos are cool in theirs. When you bring them togeather it is really really hard to compare apples to apples. Might as well just agree that they are different and leave the rest to the road/track...

 

all i can say is i cant wait for the day when i race a decently modded WRX and let him see the SS decals on my bumper

 

That wouldn't be impressive at all. Even the 'standard' modded WRX is only going to make ~230whp (not even as much as a stock STI). If you didn't beat a standard modded WRX then it would be embarrasing, IMHO. WRXs are slow. Regular modded WRXs (TBE, uppipe, tune) are peppy. You would need to race a WRX with an upgraded turbo (VF34, etc) to make it interesting. Heck, and even THEN you are looking at racing a car with only ~280whp or so.

Tim

 

i know a guy who has a 04 sti with a gt-35 turbo w/ supporting fuel system on it. that thing is wicked fast. 11.76 @120mph

 

im talking about stis obviously..