CamaroJ24

I was talking to this kid I know and he said he wanted to take a crack at my camaro, so I told him sure. He has a WRX mid 90's not positive what year. Its an automatic and its stock. I got a 86 iroc-z with a 88 350 tpi with headers and cat back. I was wondering what you guys think, I tried looking up his specs but I couldn't find much on his car. Oh and also, he wants to race from a roll (not to bright from his part sense he would have a better advatage from a stop with his AWD). But I was wondering what you guys think from both a roll and a stop????

urbanhunter44

iTrader: (3)

From a roll you'll rape him (assuming it's about 20 mph...)

From a dig he'll out launch you, then you'll catch up and rape him.

This is assuming it's a base model WRX, not the STi.

CamaroJ24

It's not an STi so thats good news lol.

freestylzz

I'm sure you can find the answer to your question in the 1 million threads prior to this one asking the same question.

articzap

wrxs didnt come out till like 2001 i thought....and they were turbo....correct me where im wrong...if it is one those say good bye, you have no chance at all..

MAD_IROC-Z_85

Aa friend of mind have a 2003 WRX and have no trouble whit him from the red line, I just play whit him and pass it like I want (I have about 370HP and 425lbs/ft at 5500rpm)

But, I try to play whit an STI, at 130km, I shift the 4th and I dont even take an inch on that dude He was still on my bumper!! I just hop it as some mod on it cause what a car!!!

Mcdamit

If its mid 90's its a subaru legacy...

If its got the bug eye look its a early 00's WRX with a turbo.. If you race from a dig and u can drive its a fair race..

If its one of the new ones u have no chance

urbanhunter44

iTrader: (3)

unless they have a new model, last I knew the base WRX (with turbo and AWD) ran high 14s.

CamaroJ24

no I stand corrected it must be an early 00's, sorry my fault, I'm not a great judge of import years.

articzap

you should brush up cuz imports > *

TRAXION

WRXs didn't come out until 2002 in the United States.

If he is stock then you will destroy him. If he has a TBE (Turbo Back Exhaust) and EM (Engine Management) then things will get interesting. TBE + EM in a WRX will deliver ~225whp in a 3200lb car. If it is custom tuned then it will have 240whp.

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V6sucker

yeah if its a red line or whatever, your done.
and people rarely leave them stock so even if he says it is, I doubt it is.

And 300 AWD Hp is not hard on those things, kinda like the DSM GSX's.
little thing here and there coupled with one or two nice upgrades... well... stick the fork in ya cause your done.

Mcdamit

No the higher powered ones can just like the 5 spd irocs, snap the tranny. So they have to be careful just like us..

Saigon_Bob

iTrader: (2)

well ive read a few of these post and heres my take.... he's got an imprezea 2.5... which is probably really slow... you will def win from a roll.

I raced one of the 05 STI's from a 40 roll and raped his *** with a broken ring and worn out everything else.. he kinda gave up.

as for the other posts:

there are older "square" headlight Impreza's... they are 2.5 N/A
the WRX came out with the round bug eye lights stock 2.5 N/A again
then they gave the bug eye the STI treatment with a turbo
then we get the 05 style which is pretty damn quick


to tell if its a N/A or turbo is easy. STI's are the only stock turbo's and they only come 5spd, they also have gold wheels and the STI aero package.

3liter914-6

Wow, a lot of "experts" in here that have no idea what they're talking about.

Yes. the 2.5RS was the sporty version of the original Impreza. Made 160hp out of a n/a 2.5L. They launched well and handled well with the AWD, but it also had a lot of drag making them slower than the 16xhp and weight would indicate. I wouldn't count one out though, as a lot of guys turbocharge them or swap in a WRX engine. If I were going to have any WRX-type car, it'd be a swapped 2.5RS as I find the styling the most appealing of any of th Impreza generations.

No. There was a sporty 2.5L NA, that's the 2.5RS same as on the original "square" headligh Imprezza. Yes, there was a WRX in the US starting with the "bug eye" cars, but ALL WRXs are turbo. All of them, unless they're some *****'s badge job.

No, the bug eye didn't get the STi treatment. That wasn't released until they redid the lights in '03.


I dunno, I think they're all pretty quick. This is a 3rd gen board after all, a lot of cars here could barely pull a 15 second time slip stock. Any stock WRX is capable of mid-14s and 0-60 in 6 or less seconds. The first WRXs isn't a supercar, but it's quick and a, like Traxion said, a few mods can get it some excellent power. Has way too much lag for my liking, and I'd never buy one, but that AWD can get 'em launching well if you wanna thrash one. The newer ones, especially the STi are definitely fast (and kinda hot).

Saigon_Bob

iTrader: (2)

Ok not to argue but put out correct info. I stand corrected on the WRX statement #1

#2 The headlight redesign and STi treatment came to the US of A in 04....

87TPI350KID

Better watch out for imprezas. its not that hard to take badging off and put 2.5rs badges on. Most non-import guys wouldnt notice the sti bbs wheels and bigger spoiler

Then they go bye-bye

3liter914-6

The STi was introduced a the NAIAS in January of '03, and went on sale June of '03. Regardless of year, my point was that the bugeye WRX was not available in STi form for the USDM.

dcjredline

I dont know about all the other mess on here, but I messed with an 04 FORESTER turbo one day and he surprised the crap outa me. I didnt realize at the time that the Forester could have the STI engine so I wasnt all the way into the gas until I heard the turbo kick in and at that point it was useless. He was pulling on me pretty hard and we were coming to the next light!!!

3liter914-6

Yeah, the Forester XT Turbo. C&D tested it to a 5.3s 0-60 and a 13.8 in the 1/4 mile. Definitely a surprising little mom-wagon.

V6sucker

like I said, all these AWD turbo 4's need is a few small and one or two big mods and your done.

articzap

the legacy gt and the forester gts are faster the sti's incase you guys get caught in the real world races. an easy way to tell if its a wrx or sti is to look for the hood scoop, they can not ditch the hood scoop because they have top mount intercoolers and neeed that to cool the boosted air going through the intercooler. alot of sti guys like to switch to the low pro wing so they can be disgised(sp?). an sti has a more agressive hood scoop then the wrx but that can be tough to tell on the roads. stis also have brembo brakes if you can spot that when your driving.

stu

Legacy GT's and Foresters are NOT faster than STi's.

And

Saigon Bob needs to leave this thread because he hasn't posted a single thing yet that has been correct.

zacharyhorn

iTrader: (1)

It's an auto, even from the line he's not going to get it to stall high enough to get a great launch. Either way, rape him.

Zach

TRAXION

OMG - Saigon Bog is an absolute retard. He knows absolutely nothing about subaru performance. Everything he said is utterly wrong. Again, and I can't say this with enough emphasis, SAIGON_BOB IS AN ABSOLUTE RETARD. Just about everything he said is totally wrong.

Geezus. How can somebody post so many wrong things in one thread.

2002-2005 WRXs = 2.0L Turbocharged 227hp.
2002-2003 WRXs = Bugeye WRX.
2006 WRXs = 2.5L Turbocharged 230hp.
2004-2006 STIs = 2.5L Turbocharged 300hp.

STIs have bigger turbos, bigger intercoolers, and different heads/cams that allow them to reach the 300hp as opposed to the 230hp of the 2.5 Turbo WRX.

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articzap

oppssies meant legacy and foresters gts are faster then wrx not stis. my bad

stu

No prob, at least you clarified.

CamaroJ24

Traxion, you got the HP ratings but do you know what their torque is? just curious that would held if you did.

articzap

there trqs are not far off from there hp curves if i remember correctly.

CamaroJ24

so a 2002 should be pushing about 230 torque?

dubcity

i thought WRX have been around alot longer then 00" or 02" or wha ever you guys said, the STi's come out then...

stu

Yeah, WRX's have been around since the early 90's.....in Japan, but not here. This is a relatively new car fellas.

izcain

Plain and simple if he can't drive all that well then your going to rape him since AWD WRX's can sometimes be a bitch to launch properly! Coming from someone who was at a subaru dealership I know. All im sayin is he better know how to drive if he's gonna race ya!

MAD_IROC-Z_85

One of my friend beat an STI whit about 400hp right on the drag line whit is 340hp 05 Tang GT,

13.10@110 for the 4.6GT

WRX are fast but not the Fastest

Psycho_91Camaro

thought it was a european car?

3liter914-6

Rally cars and other cars inspired by them are certainly quite popular in Europe, but is Subaru a european manufacturer?

'86 350

No. Subaru is Japanese.

CrazyBear

i believe subaru is a japanese in origin

stu

Like everyone else said, Japanese.

25thmustang

Wow, and we wonder how misinformation is passed around.

First off yes the WRX has been around but in Japan (I dont know how you can think Subaru is anything but Japanese) and didnt come here until the body change in 02. They made auto WRXs, but Im not sure if they still do. We test drove one and it really hurts the cars performance. Figure and auto WRX to run in the 15s somewhere. A well driven stick one is an easy mid 14 second car, maybe better. An STI driven right is an easy mid to low 13s car, and definately something to watch out for on the street!

There are a few posts here that I dont even understand and make no sense... thank god for the trolls who dont own Fbodies who know info about other cars!

MAD_IROC-Z_85

WRX, ... STI, ...

At that price, I can own 6 or more F's, So

Or just build an off the hell one

superGMman

bro...

I can build a radio flyer to be faster and cheaper...and then it'll be better.

MAD_IROC-Z_85

, ... Yes, and some men love other men too but I have no trouble whit it!!!

I just like V8 power and feeling!!

If I have 25000$ to put for a car, I just said that 25000$ on my Iroc would just do a mid 6 car on the quarter miles!!!

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

And all 6 would be slower than a stock STI.

I will be repeating myself (and others) by saying that is is easier to finance a $30k 13 second car than it is to dump a bunch of liquid funds into a 3rd gen to correct all the stuff that makes them slow. That and you won't have a warrenty, new paint, better brakes, better interior, stronger drivetrain, etc etc.

25thmustang

Your a dumba$$...

You wouldnt have a mid 6 second car you can drive on the street for $25,000. Not only that it still wont be able to drive in the snow and be as safe, reliable, or well rounded as the WRX! Congrats on looking dumb!

MAD_IROC-Z_85

Well, I see a young men at the fuel station whit a scooter that do 0-60 in 5 1/2 second, and just for a few hundred dollard and on a scooter!!! so if your RS are slow, I am for nothing in that!!!

Just put away the AWD and the 5500 lunch whitout spining the tire, This is just an other car (I think I'll go whit the scooter)

And for the 25thTangtang , ... 1st, You'r a real dumb if you put your car on the snow stup*d! 2nd, I don't think I would put a 6 second car on the street body!!! talking for talking!!!

I'm proud to store it to preserve is beauty on the winter!! and it's a fun to put some hundred dollard on it instead of doing a nice montly payment!!! That make me and my car happy,

you make my laugh,... ...

MAD_IROC-Z_85

25thmustang;3019174]Your a dumba$$...

89 LX: Stock heads (valves), stock cam, stock bottem end, stock suspension, bolt ons, 3.73s.
12.5 @ 106 slicks
12.9 @ 108 radials

12.5, Stock, !!!

87TPI350KID

You all sound like a bunch of bi*tches, did you race him yet?

I like suburus.. I would drive one before a honda thats for sure.

AWD = good launching
Turbo = Power
AWD Turbo = TPI competition.

25thmustang

A little jeleous??? You think your 11:1 motor could run with my car? Dont worry, Ill drop some compression and some heads cam and a real intake on there and run some REAL numbers. If I dont get my Strim this winter and go for 10s (yeah, shouldnt be too hard)! Now that my car being fast is behind you...

You a retard. So instead of buying an STI you think its smart to buy and build a 6 second ( not for $25,000 you wont, but okay) Thirdgen that you cant even use other than drag racing... Your a REAL SMART human being. Crawl back into your hole and come back when the adults are done discussing!

MAD_IROC-Z_85

Quote:

Originally Posted by 25thmustang

... ... ... ...instead of buying an STI you think its smart to buy and build a 6 second ( not for $25,000 you wont, but okay) Thirdgen that you cant even use other than drag racing... Your a REAL SMART human being. Crawl back into your hole and come back when the adults are done discussing!

He small brained kid!!

If you want an WRX, go for it, but for my way, I prefered put some money and have fun (passing Tang) driving my old F. Like I said, it a plaisure to put time and money on my 21 year's old beauty to preserve it from time and abuse!

Check out in 20 year for a WRX and tell my how it will cost you to rebuild that thing!!!

I preferred add a single plane manifold this winter or a 150 shot of NOS, Ho and a kit of belt and pulley maybe!! then doing a monthly payment of 600$ per months but it is my choice, for some other it maybe simple to go whit financing and buy a new one!!


I pass WRX like I want whit my Iroc and I have nothing to be proud off,
I have been pass by an STI on a 60-100mph and it was still a great pleasure too,

I will try to give you a little movie between two red light of my Iroc and my friend '03 WRX (whit some goodies one), my neighbours will like this shoot out !!!