hey guys, i have a race setup with this kid next week.

my car:

1985 trans am, low (<20k) miles l98, t-tops, running modified ARAP. flowmaster cat back with gutted cat and custom y-pipe. everything is fresh on the engine, we just got it swapped in last week replacing the greaseball 305 under the hood. 9 bolt with 3.23's basically a stock car. that engine pushed a GTA to 14.3's at 95-6 w/2.0 60fts last season, this car is lighter with a much MUCH better suspension in it.

His car:

1998 mustang GT 4.6l/m5
(pasted from another forum):PI Intake, K&N FIPK, 75mm TB, Trickflow Plenum, O/R H pipe, Flowmaster American Thunder catback, B&M short throw.


He says he has a bad clutch and bald 275's on it that he can't launch at all so he wants to do rolls from 45 mph, i said we should try both digs and rolls and he said he just doesnt do digs so i got the concession of trying pulls from different speeds as low as 35 mph. he made a comment we could try the 35 roll since it was my sweet spot and i told him i was pretty much missing my sweet spot since 1st gear was done with. without supporting mods tpi's top end is weak!

so what do you guys think i'm up against, he seems to think his top rpms are pretty sweet and im inclined to think that without a dig i don't have this race.

by the way i'm weight reduced a bit, no a/c no smog, light interior very little sound deadening left, and i'm running a camaro rs spoiler/hatch instead of the heavy *** trans am one.

 

any body got some ideas here?

 

my lil sister has one, auto tho, and its not slow, but its not fast either. she also has bald tires and cant hookup ironically. ive never been in a mostly stock l98 car to make a call here, but he wants a roll, you want a dig, i'dd tell him both or no race, "clutch and tires are bad" = he CANT drive the car, or its a peice and not worth racing

 

OR he's sandbagging. he's from a town famous for retarded street racers.

i know 98 was a bad year, but he's got the pi intake which is supposed to add roughly 15hp, with the tb/plenum and exhaust i'd put him roughly 20 above stock at the wheels.

from a dig i'm not scared of him, from a roll it gets dicey.

 

well the only way to find out is to race him, if your really worried about it, get a 75shot, what the worst that happens if you lose? motivation to make your car faster, and thats not a bad thing

 

well, i talked to him and we're doing a 45 roll, and a dig. if i win the roll we don't do the dig.

no stakes other then pride(after the hours i put in this summer pride means alot)



i appreciate your contribution sailtexas, but telling someone "race him to find out" on a board people come to specifically for "who's faster in your opinion?" isn't helpfull, no offense.

 

Cant wait to hear the results.

 

can't wait to punch it and see headlights. lol gotta talk some **** right?

 

PI intake or PI swap? a intake will do next to nothing, a PI swap will put him around 240 rwhp, my next question would be why do a PI swap and leave tall *** 2.73s in the rear?

 

he got it. highway wasn't even a race, i made a dumbass mistake of leaving it in drive both runs, on the third honk off he goes while i punch it and wait for it to downshift, he was a car length on me before i even accelerated

dig was a different story, first run he got sideways out of the hole, according to the people watching, i pulled about a length on him and held it till we let off, my launch was very good on that race, i was hooked in about 30 ft and full throttle for a good portion of first.

second dig my launch was crap, while his improved quite a bit, i was out of the hole spinning. recovering then i started spinning in second right from the shift, all the while he's beside me and i'm thinkin, ****, i didn't beat him out of the hole. he pulled a door on me as my rpms ran out and i left off in the middle of third.

when my people rolled up behind me they told me i was leaking something, we pulled off and my drivers side engine bay was soaked, radiators developed a seep, think that was part of my traction problem because i left a decent puddle on the ground.

good race!

 

Sounds like it's time to do some port work, maybe a manual trans swap, also.

 

ouch i never had a problem with those mustangs in my old L98. GT 99-04's were closer races, but they always would get a car by 1/4.

 

sounds like a well matched drivers race

 

well we were both out at the strip on tuesday, my best was a 14.1 at 98, with consistant 14.2's all night, his best was a 14.4 at 96. both of us need traction but his bs about having a worn out clutch and tires was a lie, he has 275's in plenty good shape and he's goin sideways off the line and chirpin second.

 

well we were both out at the strip on tuesday, my best was a 14.1 at 98, with consistant 14.2's all night, his best was a 14.4 at 96. both of us need traction but his bs about having a worn out clutch and tires was a lie, he has 275's in plenty good shape and he's goin sideways off the line and chirpin second.

 

I agree, he was BS'n you about his clutch.... he didn't want to race from the dig, he knew what was coming... most stang boys won't race out of the hole, they love rolls.... cause 4.6's and 5.slows don't have half as much torque as a 350...

 

yet he can't launch it for ****,.

 

DIE SPAMMER!!!

 

I like starting from a roll.If you do it again from like 35 or 40 mph try this.Works pretty good for me and I take off like crazy without roastin the tires which is a waste.Leave it in 2nd and ease up to speed,for me about 2000 rpms in 2nd and punch it .I go ahead and shift to 3rd so it will shift on its on when it should.To me without slicks/traction 1st gear is useless.Just a suggestion.

 

Half as much you say? My 95 5.0 made 285ftlbs.


To be quite honest I am surprised you lost, if your running low 14.'s a 98 gt in stock form is a low 15 second car, even with bolt ons I couldnt see him running faster then 14.7's. Also it just goes to show you that you have the better car, but obviously your not a better driver on the street. You have a higher mph and a better time.

 

Im a Mustang 5.slow owner and I LOVE to run from a dig... and have no issues with other cars on street radials.

 

well who would.... no one else runs street radials its kinda pointless unless you have gobs of power... waste of money unless your at the track. IMO

 

I like running on radials sometimes... It makes you have to drive the car instead of just point and go. Ive been 1.91 60', lowered, full weight on 18" street tires with a stick shift.

 

I'm confused...

 

even 5.0 tpi tq...i had a 5.0 stang auto

 

Are you making the same dumb statement he did?

 

Same dumb statement? look at the facts bud, which has more torque? the 302 or 350?.. i rest my case....

 

i had both cars A4.....the stang had a bit more hp-top end.....the chickin is better down low ...but not as good on the top...

stang-HP
chickin-TQ
....atleast for "my" cars...both lightly modded

 

I believe someone claimed
" DOUBLE THE TQ " bud.

Don't forget your comparing a 302 to a 350, why not compare a 302 to a 305 ? The tq numbers are pretty f'ing close.


And oh yeah for the record, I have a 85 Tune port injection trans am, a 95 5.0 mustang and a 94 Trans am.


The stang runs circles around the tpi car, but wont touch my lt1 car . Thanks and have a nice day!

 

i was comparing 5.0s for both(both a4s)...even tho this response was not intended for me lol....and my bird would kill the stang out the hole.....but "might" catch it

 

Funny how the 95' Stang were probably the SLOWEST stock Stangs ever built. all i see is trash when i see that body style, my 96' L99 Caprice kept up with and was catching a V6 version of that car.... they don't make much power regardless but its still sad. Stock for stock i find it hard to believe the stang walked the bird, maybe beat by a little but not walked....

 

WALKED .

Where you saw trash, I just saw potential.

However I will give the bird this, the stang is a 5 speed and my bird is an automatic.

 

and the arguing begins (well continues watever....)

either way rockitt sounds like you enjoyed the race and thats all that really matters, and winning.....

 

The slowest stock stang ever produced...

Facts or are we blowing our uninformed smoke up everyones a$$ once again?

Also the 5.0 vs the V6 from 1995, laughable, please dont even think to compare the two. If your Caprice runs with 6ers, its a few seconds in the 1/4 slower than the 5.0.

Whats sad is your continuous posting of opinions based off NO facts!

 

Bingo.

 

how is it not fact? Ask anyone, its a FACT that 95 stangs are SLOW AS HELL!!! what sad is how you can't seem to shut your *** when i talk down on a mustang, if i said they were awesome you would love me. ****in *****. and my caprice was keeping up with a v6 stang... still sad.

 

Were they slow? Well yeah they were bone stock. Just as were the fbodys from 82-92. However to say they were the slowest ever produced is just a baseless opinion. The slowest mustangs ever produced were the Mustang II's and also the 96-98 gt's were in fact a bit slower then the 94-95 5.0 mustang.

My sisters cavalier can keep up with a v6 mustang... who cares? If someone buys a v6 mustang they are definetly not looking for performance.

Of course im not going to shut up when you mock a car you quite obviously don't know much about. You shouldn't of opened your arrogant mouth then. Thats your own fault.

 

Viper must have recently done poorly on a school test or something, did the teacher give you a C- or something?

Your opinion based on everything you claim to be fact as you have yet to PROVE a single thing you said. What a bunch of your friends think means nothing to me, I went to high school, I know what the kids there "think", and if this is what you consider "facts" you have a long way to go in life.

My Audi A4 1.8T will walk a V6 Mustang, hard, my F250 with a V10 will walk a V6 Mustang hard. Neither of these vehicles will touch a stock 95 GT, want to know how I can assure you, we OWNED a 94 GT. White, grey leather, car was even an AUTO and would make both of my cars look retarded in a race. Again your going off opinion, Im basing it off cars I have worked on, driven, and owned.

Why are these even arguments, your clearly a misinformed kid who thinks he knows everything under the sun.

I wouldnt care if you said Mustangs were great, and got caught sticking your d*** in ones tailpipe, my opinion of you is what it is, your making yourself look foolish on your own website, but keep it up, Im really enjoying this!!!

 

funny how you always twist things to me me look dumb, i don't look dumb but you love twisting **** and making me look stupid. and i'm basing my opinions off fact as well buddy, look it up a V6 stang will run low 17 sec 1/4... that's terrible, and a GT runs high 14s low 15s. That's still terrible. A Camaro of the same year can run a low 14s high 13s...
Even a Mustang Cobra only made 300 hp in 1996 and that sad for being the ultra Ford performance machine! An LT1 Ram air made more hp at 305. Stangs are slow stock, where other cars (Camaro, Viper, Corvette, etc.) are not. and you can't say the price is better b/c the Camaro was priced almost identically to the Stang and was a lot faster. Ford had to design the Corba R to keep up with the Camaro and it cost a lot more Facts like to talk.....

 

Trust me, it's not what I say that makes you look dumb, but it seems we all agree here, even you...

you look dumb

Please once again post facts here. A v6 is a 16-17 second car, okay, what does that have to do with anything other than you have proven your Caprice can run with one? 17 seconds is nowhere near the mid 14s a stock 95 GT with a stick will run. So using a V6 Mustang as a basis to say anything has proven how sad your feable attempts are to downplay the Mustang.

Next item, sure the Fbody with an LT1 was faster. High 13s compared to mid 14s with good drivers. No complaints there. You brought up the Vette and Viper, both make the Fbody and Mustang look slow. The LS1s were fast cars, but you don't own an LT1, and LS1, hell do you even have a 350 in your car? HAHA I love when kids swing off the nuts of the newer version of their junk cars. That would be like me thinking Im the man because the GT500 is a mid to low 12 second car in the right hands.

Ford didn't need to make anything, they made cars that sold, and thats what car manufacturers do. So once again other than your highschool opinion, you haven't proven a single thing.

Sad, some parents shouldnt let their children on the computer, or at least monitor what they are saying.

Keep going though, this is funny. Also I LOVE the fact your screen name isnt even about Fbodies, yet you dont own a Viper. Who creates a screen name for something they will never own. I should make mine, 07Z06Vette...

HAHAH sad!

 

Hmm, I smell a banning coming on, I'm pretty sure wishing death and calling names is grounds for you to be removed, but I should double check.

Once again your proof, is an opinion of a child still in school, not proof at all. But I enjoy reading what you type, once I make sense out of it, that is!

Also please indicate what "cutting" you had to do to the heads to accept a larger cam? Where did you cut the heads? Did you cut them with a knife, with a pair of scissors?

I am a work of art, and trust me, the ones here who see what I type and think down on Mustangs are the ones who are very similar to you, children with so so fbodies running junk times, and no real car knowledge.

Mustangs are not the best cars ever, never thought that never will, but to think an Fbody is "better", laughable, even to Fbody owners. They are the same car made by a different company, and if you feel there is some reason one is better than the other (other than in specific categories), I'm not sure you will ever see through your brand loyalty.

Continue posting though, after the banning, I will wait to see your next screen name, maybe this time it will be more fitting, like actually about the CAR you OWN.

 

HEHE This guy's forum got jacked and turned to a flame fest.

 

Pretty funny how maybe you should be removed for trashing thirdgens constantly, your probably still in high school as i actually am not. and again your just pissed that i proved f-bodys are better all around cars than the stangs. and F-bodys and stangs are NOTHING alike! what kind of cars are you looking at?! and actaully i do have car knowledge, but see you try to make yourself feel better by saying i don't and that i never prove anything. Your just an angry little boy.

 

Yes we are very angry, yet you seem to be the only one cussing and acting like a five year old having a tantrum. You haven't proven a single thing. In fact all you have done is gotten off point whenever a real fact has been presented to you.

We aren't twisting things to make you look dumb, you have done all that yourself.

 

Oh well, I'll let it rest, it was fun while it lasted!

I will just post what Mustangs actually can and will do, as I have seen from the tons and tons of them I have owned/worked on/built/raced, and let the members decide which stories to believe!

 

Yeah I too am going to give it a rest. Some people when they think they are right, your just not going to change their mind.

 

That's great and all, but no need to put down thirdgens while you're at it.
Which I've seen you do NUMEROUS times...

 

But he has not insulted any in this thread now has he? So what point are you here to make?

 

I put every car down, including Mustangs. These are cheap, poorly made cars from the 80s and 90s. Larger motors stuffed in weak chassis with old technology. The same reasons we own them, are the same reasons they aren't the best cars ever.

I more or less only really argue, or put an Fbody down when someone tells me the Mustangs are terrible, trash that are worlds crappier than the Fbody, when we all know thats far from true.

 

This is a F-body forum. Let us chevy guys talk trash about the Mustangs
Please? God forbid I do it in public, Mustang guys are always out in force.

And the 94/95 stangs are my favorite stangs, I think the 3rd gen stangs look all small and import like to me but I like the Ford 302.