nice boosted sleeper XR4 there! i have a scorpio myself but only with the NA 2.0l DOHC 4banger (no, not the pinto even).. still a nice commuter tho.

Nuff said. This thread can be closed now...

 

original name was lethalrides2k3 then i made daves12secondv6 after that i was gone for a while and lost access to that accounts email so i couldnt request a new pw so i just made this account

 

In Americaland it's an XR4Ti and it came boosted stock. I'm keeping it fairly stock as far as headwork and internals. Should be around 200 to the tire. The only thing I'm working on is the motor and underbits.



We got the Scorpio but only with a 2.9 boat anchor.

 

Thanks, i already read up on those rare pieces a while back after finding out they also had exported them to the US for some years.. Afaik the Scorpio was even available only in 1989. The XR4Ti (yeah ok, i'll use the full name this time ) sure can be built up to some nice power in sleeper look - happy boosting!

 

88 and 89 model years.

 

I didn't know Ford actualy made or imported any of these in the U.S. under their brand. Weren't they all under their German sub. Merkur?

 

Yes. They were sold as Mercury Merkur XR4Ti or Mercury Merkur Scorpio.

Ford badges everywhere though.

 

Imho Merkur was only in existence to sell these two models in the US, so there's no German sub-brand Merkur (actually all we have is Ford and that's it, now sub-brands).
.. but I actually think they (Ford) distinguished between their sub-brands Mercury and Merkur.

 

They did but dealers were to refer to them as Mercury Merkur because people knew the name and they were sold at Mercury dealers.

If it would have survived and thrived we would have gotten more Euro Fords. The brand was a step at globalization that failed.

 

ah, gotcha - nice piece of info for sure!

hmm let them carry on their r!cer racing debate

 

They did distinguish between them, they were never referred to as Mercurys. It was a deal that was made between Ford and a European company, to import those cars under the Ford name plate. The deal didn't go through as planned, but were changed to the "Mercur" name plate and sold at Ford/Mercury dealers, due to contractual agreements.

It seems to have worked well, The Focus is a European model, that has done well in North America, along with a whole slew of other cars being sold by the domestics under the domestic name plates, that were originally designed, or even built over seas.

 

It worked alright 10 years later with very different models from the euro counterpart.

They were advertised as Mercury Merkur originally though. They were different brands. They were sold only at lincoln-mercury dealers though. This was because they were marketed as entry level luxury cars. I'm not aware of any contractual obligations and there was no third party importer. They were made different then the euro mk1 because of safety regulations here in the US. Ford imported them from there.

 

Yah they just swapped the badges. I don't believe there were any Merkur factories or anything.

 

Hopefully they will finally give us the performance versions. The ST and RS have been limited to Europe only for far too long. Hot hatches do reasonably well in the U.S. market. Just look at all the new WRXs, Mazda 6s, and Golf GTIs driving around.

 

i dont count a wrx as a "hot hatch" being that only the more recent ones are even a hatchback, and only some of them at at that, personally there are aolt of cool japanese cars from the late 80s to mid 90s i wouldn't mine owning, but theres only one brand new one a toyota gt-86 and its all about the purity of driving which is why i like it

 

Can't hate on the imports too much. I have a friend with a 2JZ Supra and another with one of those turbo MR2s... the one owned a 350ish HP turbo CRX and a seriously built Evo 8. All are very nice cars but none of them were for me. I think the only import I've ever considered buying is the STI but I have yet to find the right one.

 

aftermarket turbo, the only non n/a mr2s i know of where the 86 supercharged 4 cyl ones?

 

No. There were turbo MR2s. The next body style from what you're thinking.

 

makes me wonder why they aren't more popular

 

I've always like the mid 90s MR2s. They're like mini supercars.

 

probably why there so popular for the ferrari "kits" better then a fiero anyday

 

thats the new argument in this thread, fiero vs mr2 haha

 

Fiero=suck. MR2=Mega-suck. Discussion over.

 

well depending on what mood six_shooter is in when he sees your post that may be enough for the ban, really jayhawk your attitude and personal feelings are part of the "*******, ******-ed, anti anything not american, racist, know it all" stereotype of people who drive thirdgens that most of us are trying to get these cars away from.

 

You know I agree with kmcn47. It's one thing to give people a little bit of a hard time and even ok to be a little bit of an dick in good humor. You though, well you are just a dick no matter how you cut it. Nothing is good enough, nothing is right.
You just come here it seems to be rude to everyone and everything and don't even seem to try to get along with your peers. You remind me of a little kid who has to argue and be mean for nothing more then the sake of arguing and being mean.
I also agree with kmcn47 in that you are the kind of people who ruin the thirdgen for others.

We wonder sometimes why thirdgenners have the reputation of comming out of the trailor park and being rude and have no respect for anyone and then we have people like you who come along and remind us why they have that reputation.


Now unrelated to little Mr. above I wouldn't mind having myself a little MR2. Not sure how their reliability is and would be afraid of one if I got into a crash but that little mid engine light weight car sounds like a bit of fun. plus they look kinda cool. No matter how I try to do it though I just can't seem to enjoy the fiero that much. Sure I know you can swap a SBC or even a northstar engine but I just don't seem to get much kicks off of most of them.

 

lol fiero with one of my motors and turbo kits would be the ****.
400hp and 550+ftlbs would really make one of those cars a blast to drive

 

that i dont doubt

 

iv always had a secret interest in fieros..but never could get my head out the 3rdgen clouds for one second to go actualy buy a fiero. idk, one of these days i just may but im sure they are hard to come by now.

 

Why don't ya take a ride up to Jersey. Your tree-fiddy can get spanked by my buddy's 4 banging MR2 (only aftermarket parts would "technically" be exhaust and intake).
Certainly you wouldn't be running your mouth in person... but maybe I'm wrong. Just maybe you are some professional MMA fighter and 6'6 and 900 lbs. Then again, I doubt it or you wouldn't resort to the internet to be a ********.

 

I have seen a few awesome 3.5L V6 5speed MR2s around and a few 3.0 V6 SC MR2s they are awesome. I have thought about getting a shell and using the engine and trans in my solara as a donor.

 

what about one of these instead?

http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/3231772010.html

 

One of those are floating around my neighborhood. I heard that the small blocks bolt to the stock motor mounts perfectly.

 

I give less than a **** about getting beaten by a four banger. They can be fast as hell. It's the principle of not being a V8 that makes it suck. Now I love this forum, very helpful, but it is the only one on the damn internet where you can get banned for insulting a car. Not one someone owns, not "Six_Shooter, your car blows" but insulting a model of car. Every other forum just rolls with it when some one insults something like a Fiero. They don't bitch and whine to moderators. I tell my manager at work "the Chevy 10 bolt is better than the Ford 9"!" just to watch him rant and squirm. I am not ignorant. I have fun watching people react like little girls.
I live in Oklahoma an I say in class sometimes that Obama is the greatest president ever. Wow, watch those ignorant republics flip! And yet, I am well liked at school. Quite a bit actually. So maybe I don't convey my jestering very well across text, but that does not leave a need for the butt hurt you guys express.

 

Yah that just changes you from being ignorant to being a sociopath. You've just admitted that you say things to create strife and make people squirm. Of course people are going to react badly. Not exactly helping your case, but i will say that this is still the first decent post by you I've seen.

 

he admitted to being a troll and trolling, all the cause i need for a ban

 

jayhawk it's not always what you say but also how you say it and in what context. So far you don't seem to have that part down too well as honestly it seems most here dont' care much for you.
That mixed the the you seem to argue just for the sake of arguement doesn't jive well. Argue for a point and a reason, not just to **** someone off.

Also when you make a comment like (paraphrasing of course) "a slow domestic V8 is better then any fast I4 no matter what just because the v8 has 8 of dem der cylindar things" come on you must have a screw loose.


EDIT: Also why is there such an obsession with how many cylinders an engine has? that doesn't mean it has more power or even more power potential. I've seen 6 cylinders with more then 4L and I've seen v8's with less then 3.5L of displacement. how many cylinders you have is just that how many cylinders. just because many domestics put 8 in their faster cars doesn't mean there is some sort of magical number about it.
Even displacement isn't the end all that many seem to put it at as there are other ways to get the engine to move more air.

 

well said

 

I don't chime in on this thread really but... V8s simply sound better. You get a more truthful feeling of your automobile heritage.

Well, I do anyway.

 

well i love the sound of a v8 , i love the sound of my turbo v6 at the same time, once the engine hits 6500 to 8200 rpoms it has sort of an exotic sound to it

 

here ya go
i had a much better video but i cant find it atm

heres another
first burnout = about 5,500 rpms
second is just shy of 7k
last burnout is off the limiter at 8200 while rolling out of the box

i will say man the vette in the first one sounds badass

 

Agreed, I love the V8 sound, but also love the V6 exspecially when turboed. When im doing the john force burnout the car just sounds sexy in my mind.

 

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an I say in class...[/quote]

You have said enough. Your high school opinion and knowledge is so limited it doesn't count for much. I forgive you for having half a brain and *** backwards opinions.

 

LMAO!

 

I am torn between the V6/V8 exhaust tones myself. The Nissan GT-R is very distinct, and probably my favorite as of today. Although an LSX with Edlecbrock E-Force supercharger is right up there, though. Both sound amazing on the highway...

 

best 4 cyls i have ever heard

 

this is a good point, some of the larger engines mostly old ferrari v12s make horrible power for there size hell even the 612 scaglietti only has 530 hp while gm can build the new corvettes with 630+ having more cylinders doesn't mean more power like the v6 in the new camaros it has roughly 320 hp my camaros 305 has 190 hell most 350s (which idiots pull out of old chevy trucks in junkyards) have 180 or less and there not even all 4 bolt main blocks

 

Probably because the ferrari is a smaller engine and does not have forced induction were the corvette has larger engine and a supercharger.

# of cylinders != engine size

Let me fix that for you

Most ferrari engines are smaller than a 5.7 and made GOOD power for their size such as 3.0L V12s making 300hp in the 60s.

How about an 80s V8 2.9L turbo making 430HP how were our 2.8s doing?

 

My favorite engine sounds are the Jag 4.3L etype engine, the honda gear driven V4, the honda 8 valve per cylinder V4 and some decently built V8s

 

My friend in high school is finishing up his 2000 mustang gt. Stroked 5.0, 76mm turbo, and I don't want to go into everything else. Just think of everything you can do, he has done it. Obviously the specs to the parts will matter but I myself am unsure on everything, although I have helped with a decent portion of the build process. Any way, my point is he is very smart and very knowledgeable on cars and plenty of other subjects. Granted I am not him so yes, I could be an ignorant bastard, but just because I am in high school does not make it ring true.

 

the argument i was making was that more cylinders dont always mean more power, jayhawk thinks that they do iunderstand that the overall displacement of the v12 inthe 612 scaglietti is only slightly over 350ci and which 2.8s are you reffering to? the ones in f bodys are not the greatest but the 2.8 you can get in the cts and ats aren't too shabby