i bet stephen though probation was a joke too

 

You could also try being a contributing member in good standing, and stick around for a decade or so. Make us feel more like a car club than a daycare...

-- Joe

 

ELL, OH ELL!!!!

So true.

 

Six shooter gave me probation cause I insulted the almighty, fire breathing, soul eating v6 platform

 

Which is also called "trolling" which is not allowed.

I could have just went to ban, in fact, I believe if you had one more post that was along the same lines, I think that would have been enough points for a ban.

 

I like you. Of all the forums I've been on I like you as a mod the most.

That aside, I tried to provide useful information and a differing opinion rather then troll.

 

"Originally Posted by jayhawk
Who cares? They're just V6's. Lacking in the potential of a V8 and emitting a dismal sound. So who cares?"

Hmm.

I've seen a lot of this from him...

He likes anything that's not a V8 as much as I like four stroke motocross bikes.

I don't.

Those worthless piles of scrap...

 

So what? Take it like a man and move on.

This isn't yellowbullet. We don't like cussing, flaming, or general posts made just to stir up trouble. That isn't our bag.

It's not that people don't have the same opinion as you. It's not like I've never rolled my eyes over the years reading TomP's builds. The difference is, we're far too respectful to call someone an idiot for doing something differently. If you want to engage in that type of behavior, again, join yellowbullet and have at it.

We prefer to act like mature adults here, rather than trailer trash.

-- Joe

 

Far TOO respectful. Not "to".

 

Thank you for the grammatical correction. See, it looks like you CAN be rehabilitated into a contributing member!

-- Joe

 

Not quite about the rotary. they aren't really quit an any stroke motor as there is no piston that goes up and down. they are though a 4 cycle motor just the same as what is in your car or any other car AND interestingly enough the same that is used in my lawnmower and for that matter I think most any lawnmower. Now if you are talking weed eaters that might be a different story. They are a two cycle engine as are many dirt bikes. But a rotary engine is not a two cycle engine.



hey good point. But then again I don't think I've seen a v10 or a v12 do that either. I also don't think I've seen one go that fast using turob's, computerized fuel injection or ignition, overhead cams or even more then 2 valves per cylinder. Never seen an inline 8 or even a flat 8 run that fast. Hell I don't even think I've seen a w or v16 make it that fast. I'm not even sure I've seen an engine larger then 500 cubic inches make a run that fast.

Now I'm sure none of this is based on rules or anything so what I've learned is to have the fastest engine you don't want to go above 500cubic inches. It just doesn't exist and so displacement doesn't always mean more power. turbos suck only way to make power is with a supercharger. Don't worry about computer controlled fuel injection or ignition they are a waste and make you slower. anything more then 8 cylinders is also a horrible idea.

And yes I know I don't own a thirdgen and as to why I'm here if I don't own one is for you to find out and for me not to worry about. Though then again for that I really don't own anymore Just smile be happy and take a laugh. it's a good day and I'm just poking some fun your way. You at least don't seem to be like the... Well I'm not in the mood to get banned so I'll just say you aren't like the person below.

honestly who cares. now you are just making excuses for if you lose.
If I win a race and you say "well If I had a turbo, modified heads, and N2O Iwould of been faster then you honest." you know what that makes you sound like?
well if I had rwd, a v8, and a supercharger I would of been .... oh wait crap I can't finish this sentanceI'm starting to sound like the staple food of an asian person aren't I? That's not just me. Though you are starting to sound like that.


you haven't presented any numbers to show fact. I think you are just playing bench racer at this point.


here is another way to look at it though. everyone look at is as though it's more displacement that can make more power. I say for a given engine more boost can make more power. who is right? the guy who adds more displacement to his boosted engine or the guy who adds more boost to his larger engine? both are just tools right?


You can make a new account. we had a guy here who many years ago made MANY Accounts cause he kept getting banned. eventually though they started to get the hang of who he was and so just banned him almost on the spot when he created a new account.


tried that and it gets boring sometimes. It's always nice to liven the place up a bit every now and then. plus being nice and helpfull didn't always get me anything great yet

Hey now you guys are the ones who bought the thirdgens afterall. Come on you knew what you had comming buying something like that you could of at least bought something like "le car" to avoid that sterotype... Don't ban hammer me too hard now I'm only playing.... but be honest you know you laughed a little.




EDIT: When the heck did I get some 10 year memer badge thing and why are they handing these things out? It makes me feel as old.

 

it just wont die, like a damn terminator

 

do you expect it to? this is the place that contains the crap rather then it spilling out all over

 

I can only think of one word... ENVIOUS

 

All right dummie, here are your numbers (key word here is "STOCK"): 1992 Camaro RS V6=160hp and I don't give a damn about it's torque (SixShooter, please don't ban me, I just can't remember it's torque numbers right now and am to lazy to check the specs right now). 1992 Camaro Z28 V8 (5.0): 230hp and 300 something torque. Let's pretend the V6 weighs 300lbs less. Those numbers=a V8 win. So my original statement rings true. I can't believe you would argue that

 

a 1992 3.1L V6=140Hp not 160Hp. Thats a 3.4L your thinking of.

 

No matter how you look at it displacement always has the potential for more power. Boost is relative.

15 psi of boost in a 2.3 is a lot less air then 15 psi in a 5.0.

I'm not saying displacement is all that matters. I'm saying more air + more fuel = bigger bang. Given everything being equal the larger displacement will always make more power.

Not everything is equal though. This is why I said potential.

 

assuming your still arguing with me that i didn't beat a v8 camaro in my v6 firebird

89 firebird 2.8 140 hp, 85 camaro lg4 180-90hp, v6 car weighs less gets a better launch then the v8 maybe has newer tires and a little more grip and ta-da a v6 thirdgen just beat a v8 thirdgen, it can happen.

 

No matter how you look at it boost always has the potential for more power. displacement is relative.

10 psi of boost in a 5.0 is a lot less air then 20 psi in a 5.0.

I'm not saying boost is all that matters. I'm saying more air + more fuel = bigger bang. Given everything being equal the more boost will always make more power.

Not everything is equal though. This is why I said potential.


yes I just took everything you said and replaced displacement and boost. is any of it incorrect? it is all swapable.
again who is right? the guy who adds more boost to a large engine or a turbo engine who adds more displacement?


just because I'm an ***. 145hp vs 140hp. the one with 145hp has an auto and the 140hp has a stick. don't forget the one with 145 hp also weights more.
which one wins? I'm guessing you can gather that the 145hp is a v8 and the 140hp is a v6. Nobody ever said that most v6 will lose to most v8's someone did say though "NO stock thirdgen v6 will ever, under ANY circumstance beat a stock v8 thirdgen"

When did I call you a dummie? all I did was call you a bench racer calling someone a dummie once you have already had a probation warning isn't quite the way to stay out of probation.
so are you going to...

1) admit you where wrong and say you are sorry
2) start making excuses
3) just not post here again?

don't worry you don't have to leave a long drawn out answer you can just write the number that will work btw I did mention I was just being a meanie head right?

 

2.8L has 135 Hp stock.

This thread will make my brain hurt if I try reading it all. Theres alot going on here on this thread.

 

I didn't say you were right or wrong. You aren't disproving me. You're just going off on some tangent.

If you look at my vehicle list you will see I don't fall into the needing big displacement clan. I make more power out of a 4 cylinder then most V8s of the same era will see.

On the question of who is right, the person who has more fun with their car.

 

How much is that?

-- Joe

 

Aww c'mon, I love my turdgen.

I do find it funny though, reading all these posts from guys with stock IROC's (marlboro reds on the dash and all) talking about HP and TORQUE and all that.

When I get a thirdgen, and I've had quite a few, the first thing I do is unbolt just about everything and throw all the stock junk in the dumpster. The only thing "stock thirdgen" on my engine is the serpentine brackets.

Stuff is getting cheaper and cheaper for these cars though, which makes them good candidates for street/strip cars, outlaw 10.5, etc.

-- Joe

 

Slightly less then 345 for HP with a bit mire torque, but that was on a bad tune and my Megasquirt **** the bed so I'm on factory management at the moment. Its not just a 4 cylinder with exhaust but I know I'm down power with the EEC IV in there. I really should work on the thing. Exact numbers I don't know. Sheet was in the family laptop. She got a virus on it that wiped it out. All I could recover was tranny **** that I know I didn't look at and really doubt she did. Wasn't fun sifting through all the stuff I could "recover"

The car can handle more boost, I just don't want to take the chance. I don't like blowing stuff up when its mine.

Keep in mind I'm going with the assumption that most people are throwing exhaust on and screaming fast. That is my experience at least.

 

LOL!!

Oh come on, push it 'til it blows up, then back it off a smidge.

I know people that don't put any performance modifications on their cars and think they're fast. :fastpalm:

 

didn't quite go off on a tangent was just more trying ot make my point. displacement is not really a better canidate for power then boost. in my eyes they are both about the same and in some ways I still might give the nod to boost just being it's a little easier to work with and increase if needed.
they both do the same thing though and that is improve the amount of air that an engine gets.
In effect more boost is the same as higher displacement.

btw your answer to the question is right


hey my wifes buick century with a 6 wanger beat a thirdgen so it must be fast.

 

It is now a crime to keep your thirdgen stock? You have no say on what is and is not fast because you drive a stock thirdgen? When did this happen?

Rx7Speed, here's my non-drawn out retort:You are wrong

 

so you think an auto heavier thirdgen with 145 horsepower will beat a ligher stick driven six wanger with 140hp?

 

i dont think its a crime to keep a 3rdgen stock. i built my first one up. but after that one, i love when they are stock. more enjoyable imo. theres always a sacrifice when modding your car,no matter what 100%. on a side note, era for era, stock for stock, OR mod for mod, a sports car/pony car will always out perform ECONOMY cars! peroid.

 

I have 3 motors but one is in another car and the other is on a stand which has been my donor if something brakes on the other 2. It was running 26 psi when I got it and I backed it down to 20.



This car will forever look like this. Its fun when people think its a primered 80s escort.

I don't feel like tearing into either while working 60+ hour weeks.

As far as boost and displacement- you didn't get what I was saying at all.

 

Rx7Speed, two words for ya: Torque bitch. Besides, my original comment included the words "in comparable condition".

 

still using the foul mouth huh?

they are in comparable condition both bone stockk. only difference is the years. not a huge difference in torque plus it has more weight, a nice auto tranny that sucks power, and worse gearing.

 

I can tell you my inline 6 makes a lot of torque, which is something inline engines are known for.

 

yeah theres an awful lot going on here, and regardless i did beat a 305 camaro with my 2.8 auto firebird, but yeah alot going on, think i saw a merkur a few posts up

 

Yeah, I know how that limited time can get in the way of tearing into a project, or really pushing it.

I hope this wasn't directed at me, since I do get what you're saying, and wasn't commenting on that side of things at all.

 

I admit I have respect for certain inline sixes. But we're talking about stock thirdgen six bangers.

 

180 tq in the strongest V6, 240 tq in the weakest V8. That's a significant gap.

 

just cause the numbers say it has more dosent mean it will win

i can show u a mustang my v6 car beat

on the same day/same dyno we put out the same rwtq numbers and i put out 100less rwhp
i still beat him even though he had 100 more hp at the tires

 

I've messed around with comparable year 4.6/5.0 mustangs (and whatever the mid 90's SN95 cobras are) and blew them all away in a bolt on LT1. On paper they are close, on the street and track they aren't.

Where you generate your power, gearing and weight obviously are huge factors.

 

first car on the dyno is my v6 car , second car on the dyno is the mustang cobra
he put down more power but he still lost to me by about half a car
http://www.streetfire.net/video/kraz...409_641533.htm

 

Not calling you out but how does 267 RWHP trap 118 MPH?!

 

car makes alot more power now then when we dynoed it ignition timing was locked to around 10* car was also seriously untuned

the night before the dyno i had swapped the 50 trim turbo for the 60-1 that was on the car for the dyno, it went on the rollers without a retune at all, only thing that was done was lock the timing down

who knows what it makes for real now that the tune is dialed in at it actually has 22* of spark advance in it , no plans to redyno

 

i would say the car is making around 330-the high 350s rwhp now and obscence tq numbers

i used to joke around that if that setup didnt run good at the track i would drop it in an s10 and use it for towing witht he amount of tq that whole setup makes

 

nice, always like to further educate myself with project89's wisdom/knowlege. take it from him, hes a pioneer. i have a few 6 banger 3rdgens for DAILY drivers and picturing them whooping my IROCS, is hard to do, but is possible with his expertise. if i ever get to itch to make one of my rs's into a performance machine, u bet i would watch his threads.........just saying

 

I know what we are talking about, and even so most stock v8's aren't that fast either. you get into the l98 yeah you are getting a little better but still nothing fantastic.



at the motor yes but once you factor in gearing and the extra gear the stick has that difference starts to shrink and well the great auto transmission.

then once you factor in a little driver there. the v6 can very well win. even so the race between them I still think might be quite a bit closer then you think even if you don't factor in driver.

 

odd request can we stop saying six banger, i dont know why but i find it really offensive, and when whoever first said it on this page did it was the first time i ever heard a v6/I6 referenced as such

 

Uuhhhh bro, just because someone makes a car fast does not make them a god to be worshipped. You wanna kiss him or something?

 

Yeah that was me. 1st Amendment. You V6 owners want to be equal to the V8's, and speed wise there are more built V6's on here than the V8's and they are fast as hell, but then you go and bitch about stuff like "six banger"? Really? It makes it look like you have something to prove.

 

not a pioneer, ppl have been beefing up smaller engines long before i built my v6, and i had been playing with the v6 long before i joined the forums back in 2002 or 2004 forget when i made my original account

there are many ppl on these forums with tons of knowledge on building a good fast combo on these boards both v8 and v6 i just happen to be hard headed and love playing with the v6 stuff

as a kid growing up i got to play with engines and stuff most ppl can only dream of working on, thats were most of my knowledge comes from,

hell i learned how to assemble 3000hp blown alky engines when i was 14, i could setup the clutch in the dragster by the time i was 16. i could tig weld by the time i was 12/13

look at what ive done with the v6 stuff and u can see u can expect out of my twin turbo iroc, im headed to the boneville salt flats in just under 2 weeks to try to break the 200mph barrier for my first time out

 

can I say six wanger? It might of been me. I've always called them a wangers or bangers. Not sure why. it's no reference though to the **** in the front of your pants. It's a different type of wanger. Man can you imagine having a six wanger in the front of your pants. I already have a hard time aiming with six of those things I would be screwed

project89 who are you? I don't believe that is your original name is it? I swear I know you from the boards before but I've been in and out and more out then in so I easily forget