so i took my car out to race some guy in an ls1 z28 camaro and it was a little chilly. about 58 degrees f. so we line up and go... he just leaves me and im just spinning and tail going to the side a little... i start catching up once my car goes to second (had the car on d) but when it got to third i was at least 4 cars behind and climbing at about 90 mph he lets off. then we do a u-turn and this time i went easy on the gas in the launch and the tranny kind of shifted to second right away so again i have to catch up and i do a little but he lets off before i can even get anywhere near. i get out shake the guys hand and all. then i check my tires. my right rear passenger tire is a little low. i go to put air and its at 15 psi while the rest are at 30 so i also put it at 30. so that was most of my traction issue. then some guy in a monte inimidator wants to race so we do. im thinking my traction will be good so we race and i smash the gas pedal all the way down and the revs go up but the car isnt going anywhere and monte is already halfway gone. so yeah i lost then we did it again and this time i go easy on the gas and i get at least 4 cars away and still pulling all the time. i dont like to shift up because i always go to d right after 1 i think my shifter is bad or something so i just put it in d all the time. i know that is the better way most of the time but with my mods done the car feels like it pulls up to 5700 rpm and in d it shifts automatically at 5k

get some drag radials so u could get traction. was the ls1 u raced stock?

yeah it was stock and automatic. im putting my car away though cause its getting cold and it should be ready by spring. ill get some suspension work. i also lost a lot of compression with the 350 heads so maybe ill get a supercharger or turbo whichever costs less until i blow the 305 or get enough for a better motor

Nice runs. If you run the ls1 guy again just beware if he added any mods. I saw a full bolt on ls1 go 11.9. Yeah id say the respond very well to mods.

yeah i wish i could afford an ls motor they are awesome but i would get a 6.0 truck motor i hear they are pretty strong that way i can supercharge it or something. too many imports are out right now running 12s making fools out of most guys in mustangs and camaros. at least the younger crowds because all the faster camaros and mustangs are usually guys who only let the beasts loose at the track or very rarely. at least out where i live. i dont know about anywhere else.

oh hey guys i found the video my buddy recorded it put it on youtube.. at the begining if you pay attention you can hear my tires squealing with no traction and at the end you can see im catching up and the a =hole hits the breaks to get the win im the guy with the HIDs yep on an 86 i got 8000k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3JSQ...eature=channel heres the second one with me against a monte intimidator ss i got the air problem on my tire fixed and theres the result+ a little flame out my exhaust dont know if thats normal with my mods and i dont have a catalyst you can almost hear a wtf in the back haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLqi...eature=channel heres my buddys lt1 taking vengance on the ls1 he also has HID lights like me yep on an lt1 with the little rectangle lights we made it possible haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ZLC...eature=channel

I had a stock heads cam Ls1 in a 98 t/a that would run 12.40 withh exhaust gears and suspension. LS1's are sneaky, traction is the key on the street, few parts and some tires and you'll be giving them a good run for their money. Good luck with your build!

Did you have 4.11's? I ran 12.8 at 109 with just exhaust and lid with the stock 3.42's. With 4.11s and tire I bet I could match your times. I want to get them but it would probably be catching rubber in 4th lol. I also enjoy saying my car can go 165 mph ahahahaha

I had 4.11's and M&H 275 55 16 dr's.

i ran a 13.32 @108mph with only an slp lid and a k&n filter. now my best time is 12.71@115 with my clutch slipping in third and 4th gear

What mods do you have to trap 115?

toquer 2 cam, longtube headers, catted y-pipe with a 3 inch cutout. moser 9 inch 3.70 gears, 1000hp steel ds with 1450 yoke. stock heads. stock ls6 intake. ls7 clutch/ls2 flywheel (robs 10rwhp) dynoed 409rwhp 377rwtq on a mustang dyno with my 9inch. my car is definatly a high 11's car at about 118-119mph range whenever i get a better clutch setup.

Have you ever had that 305 to the track? A 305 with just heads doesn't seem like it would even have a chance against an LS1. My cammed 305 with headers, exhaust, intake porting, and stripped down engine bay with no AC did a 14.3. An LS1 is a 13.5 car all day long and they are VERY stout up top. Sorry if I'm being ignorant...I don't know your car, but it doesn't seem like you'd have a chance with that set up.

ls1 z28 driver was 16 and yes i have taken it to the track i have my times in another post you can check it out but i messed up bad from 2--3rd i pushed the leve up to neutral was over reving a little and realised i wasnt in third so i put it back down to 3rd or d

A 16 year old with an ls1?

That is not a good combo.

What shape is your suspension in? I used to have lots of trouble getting traction after my car got tuned. I replaced all four shocks and struts and that made a huge difference in the traction department.

it has good traction it was just cold and my tires were uneven in psi one was at 35 and the other at15 i think it caused me to go to the side a little

it still amazes me just how well those lsx motors run. it is for sure on the list of projects down the road. but i never could have built one the way i built my 383. couple hundred bucks here a grand there.

I think it all comes down to the fact that they were very underrated, since most people go strictly by market ratings.

im sorry guys the ls1 had AFR HEADS! AND TO TOP IT OFF SLP LID INTAKE, AND THE SLP LOUDMOUTH EXHAUST. Not very loud though. btw i found out just recently i got him to spill the beans. i think the kid didnt know what he was doing he should have been a lot further away from me. boy is my car slow. im thinking carbd 383 or something soon. i want to prove that ls1 isnt the only way to go. which is what everyone is telling me. besides its too expensive to get one swapped in. i cant do it myself either.

Hmm. My dad has a 2002 SS/SLP 345hp auto and It runs great. If I had a 305 there is no way I would run that car. The same set up that is in my Camaro now is what was in my 78 T/A and I walked him pretty good and my Camaro is lighter weight so it shouldn't be a problem now but A mild 305 running with an LS1.... I would think that would be suicide.


Mark.

The slp pack actually puts down the same hp as any other ls1. Base Ta/ws6/firehawk/SS/z28, doesnt matter. The ratings were just for marketing and all ls1 cars will dyno 300-320rwh stock, which is around 350-360 at the crank. My buddys stock z28 actually dynoed a bit higher than my ws6 car haha.

Yep, Ram air means nothing on the dyno. I know it was marketing, I was just saying that's what it has on the door and the build sheet.

Mark.

also 01-02 ls1 dyno higher then the 98-00 because of the ls6 intake and better profile cam. some 02 ls1 come with the ls6 block, which for some reason dyno higher then the ls1 blocks.

Ls6 intake makes a difference but the 98-00 had a slightly bigger cam. Either way an ls1 = an ls1. Differences are probably in the dyno itself, all have around 350hp

Ok I highly doubt the car has afr's, and if it did you wont pull it up top, I wish you were in TX so you could run my car with crappy patriot heads.
Yep, 01-02's had the truck cam

one of my camaro buddies said he saw under his hood and he saw AFR engraved on the heads so it does have them the only thing is he doesnt have the right intake manifold to feed the heads and probably isnt properly tuned either. that or the kids a sandbagger cause he was trying to race my buddy for titles but we said no and went home. well all i know is that car is fast and nice and i wish i could have the money to make my car run with ls1's i know i spent it the wrong way instead of dropping 1500 on the 305 i shouldve looked around for a big block or something better like a built 350 and spray it or something.

my buddy has a ls1 with full bolt ons and a 150 shot and goes 10.70

i had heard that if u have an auto its better to get a sc and wen u have a stick its better to get a turbo or two

ummm...an auto would be better for turbo cars since you dont lose boost between shifts. idont think it matters much with a supercharger since its based off the pulleys. i personally hate autos so id have a stick either way.

thread starter is blowing a bunch of smoke...and not just out of his 305

Yeah back when I had my full bolt on l98 I got destroyed by a 99 firehawk. Not sure how a 305 would even have a prayer. Guess its mostly the driver and if the ls1 cant hook its over from there.

haha my buddy just talked to the kid and told him if he was selling it he said yeah hes selling it for like 9000 dollars the kid showed us receipts of what he has which is suspension, heads, and slp exhaust. whoever bought him all those upgrades spent like 7k on that car now i know for sure he was sandbagging that night. maybe if my friend buys it i can put up some videos and pics of all the goodies in it in case any non believers here. he also told us he has a dyno sheet of the car and it pulled like 370 hp at the wheels but i have not seen it yet. man i was so outclassed that night. oh well..

Bad suspension can be a good thing, a buddy of mine had a late 70's bmw with the struts that came on it from the factory. He could side step the clutch at 5 grand and the car would hook violently almost lifting the front tires off the ground.

So who bolts on $2000 AFR heads and leaves the stock cam and exhaust manifolds on it? I've owned a lid/Loudmouth only 2000 Z28 and there is no way you would miss the exhaust note. The Loudmouth is...well...loud.

well yeah its a lil loud i just dont think "very" loud... haha know what i mean.... idk anything about the cam either its not a big one but im sure they thought of something. i need to see all the paper work and ill let you guys know exactly what this kid has. i would put up a vid or something but i have to plow more snow first so i can afford a camera.. big storm here in chicago btw.

this is what a loudmouth exhaust sounds like on a stock motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_75vS...eature=related

this is what a loudmouth exhaust sounds like on a cammed ls1 ( varies on how big the cam is)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgK1WvBi12A

my friend has a mild cammed (228/228 .581/.581 114) 02 ss with loudmouth exhaust and it super loud. its louder then my cammed ( 232/234 .595/.598 112 lsa) 02 ta with a off road y-pipe and 3inch cutout with a resonator