I got a lil interesting match up for a potential race and I want to hear what you guys think.I building my transam right now as follows

383 eagle kit
afr 195 65cc heads with upgraded springs
1.6 pro comp rockers
compcams 280 xfi cam
hooker 2055 headers
magnaflow lt1 catback with hi flow 3inch cat
march underdrive pulleys
hsr with 24lb ford svo injectors
custom cold air intake and k/n cone filter
running 730 ecm on speed density using moates emulator and custom tune
built 700r4 w/shift kit and servo
2800 stall converter
eibach 2 inch lowering kit
full weight car

Vs.

1992 civic hatch fully gutted with 8pt cage no dash or door panels
v6 swap with lsd 6spd trans from a tl type s
full true stainless steel header 3inch exhaust
the car was done right..using skunk 2 parts all around.

Today i finally got to personally take this car for a spin and I have to admitt..the things moves.Launching it off the line in third is fun and its got very good torque and even though its not a high revving motor it makes good power through the band.In such a light car he has alot of torque steer.

When my motor is finished in a few weeks and broken in we are thinking of lining up for a friendly match.Im hoping I can squeeze around 380hp/390tq out of my combo..far fetched but Ill need every bit of power I can get.I plan on getting some good tire so i can launch harder and maybe even upgrade my stall if I can afford it while the motor is out.

All in all I dont think Ill win this one even on the new setup against something like that..but I do have 10lbs bottle in my basement needing a new home good for a 150shot.

Who do you think will win?Im nervous on putting any money down so far but this is a friend of mine and he is a chevy fan aswell and doesnt talk crap..he says it will be a good race if I dead hook.

 

i think you would have em actually...maybe him being lighter could lose it for you..just my 2cents

 

I think it will be close.His car is around 2300lbs with him in it and the fuel cell filled.I know he can drive well too compared to me learning to control the new motor in a short amount of time.Im more concerned that I either grenade the rear end since its stock with 3.23 gears..or that I fail on the launch and have to really work on pulling him on the top end shifting at 6500 with the hsr and maybe on spray just to get the win.

 

either way it should be a good race

 

Your combo sounds really healthy, especially if you get that tuned properly that car is gonna scream. On some good tires that should be a mid-high 11 second car easily. There really isnt much performance options for the honda 6's, but his car weighs over 1000lbs less than yours. But if you hook I you should deffinatly take him.

 

consider porting your hsr that should help your power tremendously. also 24lbs injectors seem low for your set up, any suspension mods, i would think spinning might be the biggest issue

 

good luck to you, I wouldn't get on a new motor like that usually like to put about a thousand miles on it before I hit it hard, 150shot on a new motor especially will equal explosions

 

Civic.

 

It would be close, I'd toss a 100 shot on there. He's probably making 100-150 less hp but he weighs 1200 lbs less than you.



That's exactly what you don't want to do to a new motor. Need to get on it to make the rings seal otherwise you're gonna burn oil.

 

My honest opinion is the civic aswell..its a race ready car compared to my full weight street car and we both plan for spray.I know there arent much for the honda v6's for making them extremely fast but whatever is out there he did put on it..its not stock for sure.It really impressed me.It will see boost next yr now that there is a kit for this swap.

For suspension mods all I have done is eibach sportlines,wonderbar,panhard bar,making a custom strut bar if I can squeeze one in,factory sway bars with all poly bushings and mounts.I do need new sticky street tires.

I wasnt able to get the hsr ported or upgrade everything I wanted with the budget I had but they will get done intime like bigger injectors,58mm throttle body and porting the intake.

Keep in mind iI dont want to blow this motor up anytime soon lol...I hear mixed reviews on when to really beat on the motor.Some guys say use breakin oil for 20min reving to 2grand..oil change and then go to town..Some say to break in oild and then put 500kmh(canadian resident :P) on it before really putting my foot down or using spray.

 

It's going to be a good race, I can tell from the set-ups you guys got but really, he's got a huge weight advantage. BUT, that isn't always the determining factor and you've got a great set-up too. Personally before I'd do any racing I'd get used to your new set-up and get a feel for what's best for you. Then race him and not be as inexperienced with the 383. Good luck.

 

Oh we are both aware of the major weight advantage he has..and he is getting very comfortable with his setup as Im just getting the car running and broken in. i dont plan on racing anyone for awhile lol..I want to make sure this motor gets babied for quite sometime before I crack the throttle.

Will be one very good run if we both launch right thats for sure.

 

My money's on the 383.

 

You should read my recent thread on here under the racing board. It's me vs. a tuner. It's a good read. It made me think twice about my car's ability to take on a smaller turbo car because those cars ARE quick, not necessarily fast all the time, but if souped up right they can be. With our cars we have ALOT of Torque, so with that said if you launch right with a confident attitude you can and will annihilate him. All in a good spirit of course.

 

Sorry, I love the domestic cars but my money is on the little hatch. You're probably looking at mid to low 12's on your build, he's easily looking at mid 11's. If you put that 150 shot on, you'd walk all over him.

 

My post assumes the Civic's engine was just a swap and still remains largely stock. If its not then I suppose that would change my stance on this match up.

I think this is a more even match up than people realize. His car has what? 286HP? According to what I've read that's all a third generation Acura TL Type S has. I doubt he swapped in a engine and trans from a 2009 model or newer. If your estimates on your 383 build are right on and I think they are based on what I've seen from similar setups you've got basically 25% more power. If his car is 1,000lbs. less than he's looking at about 2/3 your race weight. Plus we all know that a 383 is a torque monster. especially with TPI. So I think with a good launch the 383 car will win to any reasonable speed on the street or even at a 1/8th mile track. Beyond that distance I can see the Civic reeling in the 383 car.

Also let's not forget the Civic has a manual transmission. He has far more margin for error than the thirdgen with the automatic transmission. With nitrous he's yours. Unless he pulls the same trick in which case things will even out again depending on where each of you chooses to use it. (Be it with a window switch or manual.)

Now I recommend 30lbs. injectors for your setup. I think that would be the way to go. Your injectors are sized more for a mild 350 rather than a 383 like yours. Get those changed out for sure. (I know it may not be in the budget though.)

 

Actually..I was corrected on which v6 he has..its from the odyssey with a few mods but mainly stock.His car is a 6spd with lsd and he does have a 150shot ontop..but so do I lol.

Either way.. the race can go to me or him.He has decent torque for that v6 I cant deny it since Ive driven the car hard and the torque feels nice n flat across the board.Redlines around 6500 and so do I.What he gains with less weight..i make up for with bottom end torque.I think if i get ET streets then I would easily outrun him till the end.

I also never under estimate a honda...when built right..they can perform damn well.and this buddy of mine is a honda freak..and well known on the streets for being fast and quiet sleeper.He isnt working right now and has had plenty of time to fine tune his ride.

My setup as it stands isnt optimal with 24lbs injectors but fairly stout..its not TPI though..I did a HSR swap so that brought my torque curve up n more even and rev past 6k no problem.I will say..if I do win this race...thevery next day..that civic will be in the garage for more mods lol

 

Its still more or less TPI. At least I'd consider it TPI. You just have an aftermarket intake and better injectors. The wiring and the ECM are still the same unless you've converted to an aftermarket system. Of course your PROM is a custom tune from what you've posted thus far.

 

yes the ecm is still the stock 730 but im running the moates ostrich for full emulation.

 

Are you willing to remove some weight in the car, or are you keeping it as stock looking inside? I'm leaning barely towards the 383, if you shed some weight, then I'm all for your T/A.

 

You really need to get your weight down. Also your REAR suspension isnt that great form what you described. Get some aftermarket control arms and relocation brackets to get it hooked up. And you really need to upgrade injectors if you want to beat him. Im inclined to lean slightly in your favor, but only slightly. Get some practice launching and let us know how you do.

 

Oh im well aware the suspension isnt great for launching or putting all the power down.my rear gear isnt best for my setup either being stock 3.23.I still need to do sub frame connectors and eventually upgrade the control arms...panhard bar etc.

As for weight..right now the car is a lil fat with the stereo ..having 2 "12 subs and full weight car..I weigh next to nothing lol adding 170lbs soaking wet.I dont plan on shedding weight down much since this is a daily ride/cruiser..plus id really like to beat him knowing that i didnt have to put my car on a diet compared to his gutted civic with a cage.

The injectors will be changed after breakin in and more tuning is done.Im still tinkering wiht it here and there..havent added the nitrous kit to the car yet either.

As it stands..if we raced right now he should edge me out but i dont think it would be by alot..a car length if anything in a 1/4 mile run.Now if I get bigger injectors..switch to a 3.42 gear and et streets even with full weight..i think it would be a fairly different outcome.

 

With your car being automatic and his stick shift you are ready have a advantage were he has to drive that thing like the terminator top your combo with 100-150 shot and I'd say lights out for the tuner. And I'd also think that being your car is auto the drive line shock on your rear really should be to bad on motor spray it into 2-3 gears and seeeyaaa I would wish luck to the tuner shifing gears (stick shift style).