ninetyone

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I am going by personal experiences. Fact is a bolt on L98 will walk all over most new cars. Any v6 car especially. You must have had a boat anchor in the back of your L98 car. LOL!! The only car's I have trouble with are new v8 cars.

whitedevilTA

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Well there must be a lot of jalopee's in Delaware because honestly if you came to the east coast and tried to race ANY of my car buddies, you would not win against a single one. You need at least a 12 second car where I live to even have fun......and a 10 second car to be a good competitor here.

And the new V6 camaros and mustangs would most likely beat an L98 pretty good as well.

ninetyone

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So again to make the comparison equal, a built motor civic? and A turbo kit for a civic does not make 25 lbs of boost

whitedevilTA

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Believe me a civic doesn't need 25 PSI to beat an L98 car. Probably more like 8-10 PSI.

ninetyone

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haha, why where do live? Beverly Hills? You know what another member on here Shadowz raced me the other night in his 01 Mustang gt (modded). Trust me a new v6 Camaro or Mustang ain't touching me.

ninetyone

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A Civic with 8-10lbs of boost will not beat the L98. It may give it a good run though.

ninetyone

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So you choose a "built motor" civic with "25 lbs of boost" to try and back up your statements. LOL

and I say ok ,to make it equal then how about a "built" Trans am

whitedevilTA

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I live in CT. Says it right in my info to the left. And I know you raced shadowZ who seems like he knows his stuff, however his mustang makes about 260 HP and the new V6's make 300. So yes one will beat you if his mustang did.

If you go on youtube and do a little research I am SURE you will find some stock motor civics beating cars that are faster than a bolt on L98.

ninetyone

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never come across one on the street ,when it came down to it

whitedevilTA

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Here you go. Bone stock motor with a turbo on it. Can't mess with weight my freind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewlcEjgGZLY

ninetyone

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remember this, his Mustang also has 373 gears and my car has unusually horrible 273 gears and he was consistantly only 2 car spaces ahead from a 50 roll. Most L98 cars had 323 gearing.That makes for a few tenths.

ninetyone

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would u like me to show you a Trans am beating a turbo honda too? Those videos are out there too.LOL!

ninetyone

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can't mess with weight? Then why is it light cars are usually econo boxes? and slow?

ninetyone

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Dude, little and or light cars are just not fast. Well they do make some cars like that,they are called 911's and cost a lot!

Jason1313

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Lock this damn thread already! As much as WhitedevilTA is defending the Honda, I'm starting to think he's a troll.

whitedevilTA

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Sounds like a ***** excuse to me...

I know they are, but you were dead set on the fact that a turbo honda will not beat any L98. I never said a trans am wouldn't beat a turbo honda. Just showing you how fast a basic turbo honda can be. Thats all.

They come with economy motors. Mod them and then you have a light car with a fast engine. Makes for a good combo. It's pretty basic math. HP adds speed as does losing some weight. The lighter the car, the easier it is to go fast.

whitedevilTA

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Troll? I've been here since 2005.........This is the first message board I was ever a member on. Some people do not know cars and should not be going around talking like they are "king street racer" when they don't even know a turbo honda will most likely beat an L98. I have been racing for 9 years, and know that it's ignorant to say all hondas are slow even with a turbo. That to me shows you are a noob to the car world.

ninetyone

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so when are you trading in your f-body for one?

whitedevilTA

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I actually own one along with my Fbody

How do you think I know so much about them?

ninetyone

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a noob in the car world? i remember a time when there was no import performance industry. I was playing with boost back then on my v6 Nissan z, which will not beat my L98 Firebird either.

ninetyone

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so when are you selling your Fbody for another super Honda?

whitedevilTA

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Trust me I like my TA much more than my honda or any honda for that matter. This conversation always ends the same way....with people thinking no turbo 4 cyl blah blah blah will ever beat a "mighty" V8. The fact is it's not hard to beat a 245 HP V8 when economy cars are coming out these days with 180-200 HP stock. People can keep living in thier dream world but the fact is you will run into a little turbo 4 cyl one day that will beat your car. Happens to everyone sooner or later. As I said, anything can be fast and if you know what your doing, it's not hard.

ninetyone

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i guess you really like your Hondas.Good night

Jason1313

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I meant that as a joke, sarcasm doesn't work real well in a post. No offense.
Admittedly I am no expert on cars, but I like to think I am average when it comes to car knowledge, not a noob, but not an expert either.

whitedevilTA

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Ah ok....sorry, lol. It's all good. Guess my mood from all this back and forth wasn't the best when I saw your post!

ninetyone

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hey, no offense either bro.

Jason1313

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No problem! I find this entertaining to tell you the truth, and I was trying to take advantage of that, lol. Didn't work out the way I wanted it to.

whitedevilTA

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I don't argue with anyone and then hate them afterward, haha. I just like to make my point known that some cars that don't appear to be fast (hondas) can be very quick and it doesn't take much. I am a true die hard american V8 car guy hands down. I also however appreciate all cars that are fast and have many freinds with turbo hondas, evos, STI's, camaros, mustangs, etc and they are ALL fast cars.

CamaroIROC88350

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I know this is off abit but I got into it again tonight with another car out here and it was a newer Pontiac G6 GT. I let him take off the line twice and both times I caught up and passed him and annihilated him. I know it's a V6 but newer cars make more power than ours did stock, even the L98's, but not too much more to the wheels. Plus you factor in the torque.

But most Honda's are quick due to their weight distribution & most new V6's and V8's are faster anyway due to better engine technology and fuel delivery methods. But it doesn't take much to make a L98 in good healthy shape beat newer cars, even a V8 and it also depends on all sorts of circumstances too. But my full bolt-on L98 with exhaust, intake work and other alot of other mods going with it have made my car pretty fast for cars wanting to race me. I just usually try to avoid them if I can. It's expensive getting a speeding ticket!

Last thing but I am sure you guys have seen that turbo Honda Civic smack down a Terminator Cobra on Youtube. It's a few years old but that Honda did win. But let's end this thread as myself and another member requested this to be closed and I guess the mods are probably sitting back laughing at the argument between "ninetyone" & "whitedevilTA".

whitedevilTA

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All in good fun! Hopefully the mods get a kick out of it but in all honesty I do think some good info is in this thread.

And yes newer V6's for the most part are pretty quick cars. A 350 TPI has a lot of potential when modded, I will def agree there. Stock however, they are a bit outdated and as technology gets better, so does HP in smaller engines. A healthy 350 with heads, cam, etc will still hand it to a ton of new cars though!

Shadow Z

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To be fair to ninetyone, with my CAI, catback, offroad X pipe, and custom 93 octane race tune from Bama, I'm easily in the 240+ RWHP range, close to the same crank HP as a new V6, 300 HP, and with a lighter package. Guessing 240 RWHP is pretty conservative at that, since a stock 99-04 5 speed GT will put down 220-230 SAE RWHP, usually closer to 230 if it's a healthy, well maintained car.

I'm probably in that range though, 240-250 RWHP, about 285 to 300 crank HP. I'm not necessarily a slouch behind the wheel either. I was dropping it down to 3rd gear at highway speeds with my 3.73's, and just hammering it from there. I was running close to 4,000 RPM when me and him were lined up, which is right where my peak torque is, and less than 1,500 away from my peak HP. The conditions couldn't really have been any better for the Mustang, except for the fact that I had a friend with me, so a close to 200 pound passenger. So, his car is not slow by any means.

My shift light came on at 5,600 in 4th which would put me at 115 MPH. I ran it out to a little above 120 at 6,000 RPM, and grabbed overdrive. I was turning over 4,000 RPM in overdrive, which would put me right at about 130 MPH, and there his L98 was, not too far behind me. It's a quick car.

There's really no need to insult imports though. I was deciding between an early E46 BMW 3 series, or a Honda S2000 when I was saving for my Mustang. But in the end, the cheaper, faster car won, the Mustang. Some of them S2K's have ran quicker times stock vs. stock than a 99-04 GT, but it's not too common. They're usually pretty even, low to mid 14's stock.

That was too much typing for 6:36 in the morning.

RS Chris

whitedevilTA- I'm afraid your shouting at a damn wall with ninetyone there. Obviously he knows all there is to know. Which is why he runs a successful race shop with all kinds of fast cars and make SO much money and everyone know his name and they can't wait to have him super tune their cars.

There is a particular phrase that comes to mind with this guy that goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him see the light and realize that just because he can type it and post it, doesn't make it any more true or believeable than a unicorn."

PLEASE for the sake of all things holy, just let this thread die.

ninetyone

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i imagine that guys that do own race shops would laugh at the idea of a hot rod honda.

ninetyone

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the only respectable japanese cars out there are twin turbo.

Shadow Z

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Not necessarily man. Here's a naturally aspirated K24 swapped Civic hatch that runs 10's. It'd destroy either of our cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yG1U14gf5c

ninetyone

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Yeah but that sucks that it takes a whole motor swap out of some other type of vehicle.

ninetyone

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dude,how long do you think that car will last.LOL. They just don't hold up, they are not made for it.My Dad was talking to a mechanic that modified a Civic to run 11's and within 2 weeks he had a piston shoot through the hood!

ninetyone

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The idea of modifying a Honda just kills the good old classic ,rumbling, muscle car image.

ninetyone

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I tell you what japanese car i do have some repect for though is the srt4( it was modified too), i had one give me a good run once. Stayed ahead of me in 3rd about a car space.

transamws6

come to chicago....il bring brothers honda civic...most suburu and lancers lower there bet when they hear stories of this car....

Shadow Z

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It pays to read, and actually grasp the situation before you type. Now you just came off as "Mr. little fast and furious street racer" to the guy who is actually supporting the fact that Hondas can be made into very quick cars.

WhitedevilTA - I believe he also owns a fairly quick Honda from what I've read.

Ninetyone - Doesn't think they can be fast whatsoever, and if they are made into quick cars, he doesn't believe it'll be reliable.

Me - I like some Imports, I was considering an S2000 before I bought my Mustang. Just not overly crazy about them.

That should sum it up. Now you should edit that, and make the reply to the person who thinks that all light, little economy cars, are slow.

whitedevilTA

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I'd come to chicago to race if my TA was finished. Trust me I know hondas are quick. I know a few freinds that have bad a$$ hondas. I'm not making fun of them whatsoever. And I hope you have some 10 sec hondas since my TA should be around there when it's done.

ninetyone

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Look , even with a turbocharger a Honda may run a low to mid 14 sec ET. That is not all that great. Number one, usually to even hold up they will require a complete motor swap. Number two, even with all of that done , from what i have seen , they do not last more than a few races. Yes, some can be modified to the point of running 10's(after spending enough to buy a faster car) ,but then you are left with an ugly econo box that sounds like a weed whacker and will still only last a few races . So, my point is, after they are modified it is not a Honda anymore. Get it? It is like all of us guys on thirdgen here having an 87 Iroc with a 68 Pontiac engine swap. Then we add a turbo to our cars. WTF? It's not really an Iroc anymore because it insults our cars. It's like saying are cars can't be fast unless we swap out the motor completely. I don't think you should start modifying any car unless it is already somewhat fast. What is the point of trying to make a slow car fast?

ninetyone

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Come on dude, we are on a thirdgen site.

GreekItalianMan

What's the point of arguing online. It's pointless to waste time arguing over theoretical situations and bragging rights. When i get a chance to film a race against these two real ricers with a "dumped" accord and civic hatchback both lowered so much if they hit a bump i think the undercarriage will be destroyed. My stock original engine is fairly new 12 700 miles on it as of today. It is healthy and strong. Videos are a form of proof. For example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAOjfrV3u4Q, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz509...eature=related

I agree with nintyone, but i'm not getting involved in anymore debates.

whitedevilTA

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HAHAHA.....It "insults" our cars to have a different motor? So you are basically calling out every single person on thirdgen.org that has dropped in an LT1, LSx, 383, 400, because they weren'y happy with the wonderful 14 second L98? Dude I was trying to keep my cool but honestly you say some pretty stupid crap on here and really need to stop. You CLEARY know nothing on the topic at hand (hondas) since you don't think they can be built on the cheap or to last more than a few races.

I think I hear the ban hammer coming down soon if you keep up with the ridiculous comments.....

ninetyone

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is that some type of threat?

whitedevilTA

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Not a threat, just something that I think the mods should take notice to if your ridiculous comments keep happening. Honestly you seem like you call out everyone and thier mother on here lately. You also definately do not know much about the car world because anything but an L98 is slow to you and can not be made to be fast for some odd reason.

ninetyone

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maybe it's just the way you are perceiving it.

ninetyone

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you seem to have a problem with me dissing a weed whacker econo-box,then i'm sorry.