it is an 87 sport

no friggen turbo ones around this area and I am about the only N/A left out of the club now.
so going to a turbo conversion soon

then I have an 82 I can pick up from a friends that has sitting and does not want.. there will be my v8 conversion

 

Too bad it was not a 1994. Mine had twin turbo's as my Z. Turbo's are awsome! You can adjust the waste gate and get mass power. If ya can afford it, get a 94! They were desighned like the old chelby cobra's. They built the suspension first...then went up from there! However, you can get a 300Z twin turbo with the 4 wheel steering which handle Awsome! If i could get the HP out of either of these two cars I have in my 91 Z28 for the same price...wow!!!! The rx7 and 300Z handle...? Out of this world!

 

almost wish I had a 93-95 rx7
those things looks sweet and can turn like a mo fo

have a guy right now in the club first time ever hitting the drag strip he pulled a 13.8 at 103.
this is a car that was spinning the tires through first and second, and the second turbo did not kick in till half way through second gear... oh yeah he had the A/C on also.the thing is though he drives the car all the time for auto-x so he had huge amounts of camber and so forth. he can pull mad A$$ g's with that thing. he goes against vettes and 360 modena's and does quite well. as for the 300z I have had my *** handed to me many time by them with the turbo.. like I really had a chance :-D. oh yeah the 86-91 rx7 have 4 wheel steering also though I think it was something done to correct the oversteer problem the cars had.

oh well

so how do you like the 4 wheel steering
that stuff feels funny as hell going down the freeway at 70 and then shaking the wheel.
you thinking of getting a 300z again?
hey if you want you can always talk to me on aim,icq
the names are listen in the sig

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ICQ 4116192
AIM RXspeed87
Got rotary?
header, intake, ported TB
soon to have 4.30 rear, ported intake(just need to intall)new catback,ported motor and lighter triangle

 

rx7speed,

I'm stickin with my Z28. I have spent thousands on cars in the past and have nothing to show for all of that wasted money. I do miss my 300z and rx7. My z28 will be running in the 10's when i put the new motor in it The wife and I are expecting a baby in Feburary. We just bought a mini van and right now, I'm saving up for an expedition or a truck of some sort. Sorry, I don't have IQC. Feel free to email. take care and drive safe..

 

RX7 13.8 is not all that great for twin turbos... in fact it is pretty damn bad!(especially for a car where the suspension was "built first")

 

The 94 body style suspension was built for road racing..not drag racing. This means sway bars in front and back..ect... If you drag race, it is a good idea to unbolt your front end suspension to get the weight on the rear tires. So, your comment on the suspension would only apply if they were set up for drag racing....which they are not set up for.

 

the car was having bad traction problems. there was no hook up and he was chriping the tires on almost every shift.
he has no mods done on the motor. he is still running stock boost even though the second turbo is having a problem kicking in.
and the car is running stiff antisway bars 550lb srpings up front 480lbs in the rear 17inch low profile tires.and IRS does not help one damn bit.
his first time ever drag racing also
and he only has a 1.3L

does great in the turns. as what the car was set up for but with the drag launch all he does is spin the tires.
either way better then my slow a$$

[This message has been edited by rx7speed (edited October 21, 2001).]

 

I like driving my Camaro's because they have an American heritage. And that is what this country is all about is pride. I hate imports because they are imports not made by a company here in the US. If everyone loves this country so much then why not return to its roots of fast AMERICAN cars.

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I WOULD RATHER PUSH A CAMARO THAN DRIVE AN IMPORT

1983 Z28 350w/ edelbrock performer RPM power package , dynomax shorty headers, edelbrock 3" exhaust system, T-56 and ASCD SS hood.

future mods:
completely done over suspension, black paint with flames,
Superram swap coming up

Wifes new car:

95Z28, AT, leather, T-tops bone stock for now.

future mods:
header to tailpipe replacement and a cold air intake. Then I am just going to leave it alone

 

"I hate imports because they are imports not made by a company here in the US."

Weren't many late model Camaros built in Canada? Weren't many late model Toyotas built in Bowling Green, Kentucky?

Even my car (which shares 97% of it's parts with the Mitsubishi Eclipse) was built in Normal, Illinois (alongside the Mitsubishi Eclipse and Plymouth Laser).

It's becoming increasingly difficult (if not impossible) to find an "all American" car.

One COULD make the argument that a Toyota built in Kentucky is not "really" an American car (since the company is headquartered in Japan), but ultimately the car IS built in America and the factory that built the car DOES employee American workers to build it...and that's more than can be said for many domestic marques these days.

SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

[This message has been edited by SPOOM (edited October 22, 2001).]

 

The 93+ RX-7's should run faster than a 13.8. They have 255hp stock which isnt too bad for a 1.3L engine. As far as that rotary engine lasting long, yeah right. Once you get past 110K your apex seals will start to crap out and you will loose a lot of compression. I obviously dont hate that car but that is because most people build them tastefully (no 4 foot spoiler, no crazy ground effects). I think thats because they are too expensive for all the little ***** guys to build (Even though it was one of the featured cars in F&F). Good luck with the turbo conversion...have you got the parts yet? cause I know someone with a 88? turbo II that may be a donor car. Good luck.
peace

 

hey rx7 how bout you post the consumer reports for your little rx7...... let me be the first to tell you thats its pretty SH*TY!!! plus, anyone ever tried buying mazda repair parts b4?????

 

Around here in NJ, there is nobody with engine work done to their import. If an import has speed, it's cool; even though I think it's dumb to waste money modding a Civic, to each his own. I respect stock imports like the Supra, RX-7, WRX, and the 300GT VR4, but little else. I mean, I've driven around in my 1970 Roadrunner before and kids in their Accords have the ***** to say they can take me; I ask them what they run, and they say something like "mid 15's" or "low 16's, gonna put a 50 shot in"...and THEY THINK THEY CAN TAKE a 550 HP 440ci car. They have no concept of cars, they do not know how to work on their cars, because they always have a shop do whatever they need; it's pathetic. Like I said, it's always like that around here. I do know a few kids with SOME work, but even their cars are slow. My friend has a 1997 Subaru 2.2 with a 80 shot, intake, exhaust, and MSD ignition, and he still runs high 15's.

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1992 Camaro RS (Auto) 5.0L TBI
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Performance mods
NOS (125 HP shot), Dynomax cat-back exhaust, Hedman headers, no cat, custom high beam delete ram air w/ K&N, MSD 6A ignition, MSD 8.5mm plug wires, LT1 camshaft
Soon to be installed:
Edelbrock Perfomer TBI intake, B & M 2200 RPM stall torque converter, Trans Go shift kit, World Products Torquer heads, Ed Wright Fast Chip

Audio
Sony Xplod CDX-M610 head unit, Pioneer 2-way 4x6 front speakers, Pioneer 3-way 6x9 rear speakers, 12 inch Pioneer VCCS PRO subwoofer, QLogic sealed box, Kicker ZR360 amplifier, Lightning Audio 1 farad capacitor

Other
Macewen White Faced Gauges/Shift overlay, A-pillar gauges (Phantom oil pressure, Air/Fuel), 180* thermostat, Window Tint, chrome valve covers, xenon headlights

 

if you are refering about the 92-95 rx7's then yes I know they are not the easiest car to take care of.. that is part of the reason I dont have one. I mean they are great cars for the twisties but they do have some issues with reliablity. so far though with the second gens (86-91) I have seen many cars that last a long time with out having any big issues unless you have a turbo and pump the boost up or just dont know how to take care of a car.

as for mine it is an 87 I have had no real problems with it at 170k except for the clutch and tranny but that is my fault with how high I dump it a lot of times and my shift points. everything else on the car is doing fine.
and as for parts yes I know if i go to the friggen dealer they cost and arm and a leg. I never go to the dealer if I dont have to. to be honest though I have spent less on this car then I did on my camaro.

I still love your cars so dont think I am trying to say they are **** or anything
just tired of ppl trying to lump all the import cars together and saying they all suck. or like lowstyle who does not even read to see what is being said. WTF calling my car a civic? he either has no brains there or just so full of himself.

 

Dont lie Craiger. If you really had owned a 300zx tt or 94rx7 you would not be on this board. Pathetic liar.

Get real guys. Your cars are old and ugly and slow. Of couse you can drop a big 406 block in there. Who cant?

Point is, your cars are a dime a dozen . Nothing special! hahahah

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Go ahead and pretend like your fbody is different. Theres so many of them on the road..they all look the same to people (unless of course you are a ******* yourself)

 

Dont lie Craiger. If you really had owned a 300zx tt or 94rx7 you would not be on this board. Pathetic liar.

Get real guys. Your cars are old and ugly and slow. Of couse you can drop a big 406 block in there. Who cant?

Point is, your cars are a dime a dozen . Nothing special! hahahah

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Go ahead and pretend like your fbody is different. Theres so many of them on the road..they all look the same to people (unless of course you are a ******* yourself)

 

Actually mark I think theformula meant every girl you must hang out with has a dirty pu$$y since your statement gave away that "riceburners are like tampons, every ***** has one"

hahahahaha. slow in the head mark?



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Go ahead and pretend like your fbody is different. Theres so many of them on the road..they all look the same to people (unless of course you are a ******* yourself)

 

D - O - O - S - H - - - B - A - G........... come on man.... what do you drive???? (lol and if it below 17 secs.. tell me how much nitrous you got????)

 

KMA punk! I also had a vett that had 489 rwhp on the dyno. The reason I sold it was becasue I wanted a car with back seats so I could take more that one person in my car. The Z28 has 4 seats and a similar engine my vett had. As for my Z, I got what i paid for it so i move on to my vett, my rx was parked out in front of my house when i realized some one wanted it more than me. Who are you to talk any **** to any of us...You just go back to Jr high and to you room at you mommy and daddy's house and masterbate to David Hassolehoff

Looser

 

***gots like you give the imports a bad name

By the way, your momma moans like a ***** And she told me to tell you that you need to pick up some milk. If you can join the 12 second club, then you might think about racing me or many of us here.

 

yea that sounds believeable. Hmmm 2 jap supercars that cost in the $40k range new and here you are on an old firebird/camaro board. Stop with the lies you're cracking me up. Really!

 

For one when you quote me quote me right. I said " Every pu$$y has to have one", not every pu$$y has one. And don't you understand my quote, every pu$$y needs a tampon that doesn't make them dirty, no it's a natural life process.
I also think you're slow in the head. Sure our cars are slow stock and even most of them run with new imports. But you have to look at technology and when they were made. It's sad that our cars are around 15 years old and still hanging with the new crowd (imports.) But hey to each his own, that just means more slow imports that I can whoop up on. But I do give respect to those few that actually know cars and get ones that are fast (TT Supra and the such), it's just the majority of imports on the road the driver thinks by slapping on some crap it will make his car faster, when in reality most of it will slow him down.

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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

Well Import F A G,
I bet the reaso you find it hard to beleive is because you little world of rice burners is financed by paper routes and/or the BurgerKing Experinece. Get a life!

 

Sounds like someone is a little upset that he put $40k into his honda and still gets beat by mildly modded thirdgens

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*1989 RS
*Red, Daytona Turbo fiberglass hood, chrome 16x8 IROC wheels
*355 CID
*TPI ported plenum, SLP siamesed runners, Edelbrock high flow intake
*Edelbrock TES Headers (getting SLP 1 3/4)
*Richmond 3.73, Auburn Posi
*Modded 700-R4, 2800 stall converter

 

Cant be any worst than your career. You can't even spell. Look at your previous posts.
You incorrectly spelled "loser" as "looser."
You just incorrectly spelled "experience"
and last but not least you spelled "**********" wrong. I was sure you were not going to screw that word up. Oh well.

hahaha
how long is your nose?
by the way, how old are you ? You sound like a 50 year old trying to tell funny jokes.

Craiger. The factory worker who dreams of owning jap supercars.

Mark. I think the quote would be better said
Fbodys are like a$$holes, everyone has one.

Get back in your old pieces of ugly crap fbodies that don't turn heads, have dated ugly cheap interior, and can hardly utilize the power of 5.7 liters correctly



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Go ahead and pretend like your fbody is different. Theres so many of them on the road..they all look the same to people (unless of course you are a ******* yourself)

 

Everyone

ignore this little punk. if he post no reply

he's just a little wanna be

 

I may be in the minority here but this import "LOSER" comes on here just to bash on third gens. I bet mommy and daddy bought him a 17 second Civic, and he has lost so much pride that this is his way of regaining it. I would love too here what kind of car he has. I know he'll probably lie, but who really cares, He'll leave in three days, and I'll probably see him bashing on some 10 second Mustangs or 4th gens on some other site. Like I've said in other posts what has the world come too???

 

If I had an economy car as the basis for a racecar I'd be pissed off too. I suppose trolling on musclecar boards is how he relieves stress.

Besides, anyone stoned enough to believe a car conceived, designed and built to use the least amount of gas and be inexpensive to manufacture is a performance machine can never be reasoned with. Logical thought never enters the equation. (Why don't any pure-bred race cars use FWD? Why do all no-holds-barred performance cars have more than 4 cylinder engines?)

Of course we can always rely on Civic DX drivers to point out how fast the $55,000 plus Japanese performance cars compare to our under $20,000 new cars. Keeping them in a your-car-compared-to-my-car conversation is near impossible.

This is like all of us going to 4X4 message boards and screaming how much better thirdgens are than Hummers off road.

 

Isn't it funny how everyone has a friend or a dad with a superfast car???


Anyways, cars are cars, fast cars are fast and I respect that. I'll agree with the majority here and say that the majority of negative thoughts towards imports comes from punks in 4 door accords covered in stickers and a fart pipe that run 18's, but still talk smack all around town even though they get smoked by my old 1989 Pontiac 6000 (ghetto-ist car in history). Is my current car fast? Not really. Do I care? Not really. I have more important things to worry about in life like school. Maybe after I get that degree, I can live a good life and have enough money to build a real race car

Like I said, I have nothing against imports, but I'll post this link from my local track's street legal nights to sort of show why alot of guys have trouble taking most of the import guys seriously. Note that the car in the 9's is street legal (all of the cars in the 1st 3 classes are) and it was running on street tires!

http://www.missionraceway.com/street..._rules_car.htm

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1991 Firebird Formula
305 TPI,Auto,Custom 3" Mandrel bent I-pipe, Flowmaster 80 series muffler, 3" hi-flo cat,Taylor Spiro Wires,Bosch Platinum Plugs, K&N Filter, Grant GT Steering Wheel, 5% Rear tint, Pontiac Windshield Decal, Fresh paint

Check it out https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index...ew&rideid=1074



[This message has been edited by dudelovett (edited October 22, 2001).]

 

Regarding the original topic: I personally don't hate all imports or import owners. What I do hate is best described in your own words:

The insulting attitude of those guys is what I hate. Putting 6" exhaust tips on cars barely making 100hp and thinking they are faster than any V8, or cutting out their springs and thinking they can outcorner a Ferarri is just plain stupid. Unfortunately these idiots make up the majority of the import scene, giving all import drivers a bad image.

 

I agree, most import owners will try and race me at stop lights. Usually they only have fart tips and tachs, and they can alerly hear my cam popping, and my Flowmasters rumbling. I don't know why they get the satisfaction of hetting humiliated in front of a crowd, and then do the ***** fly by well after I'm done racing. I have a friend with a 3000GT and that is one import I will give respect too. The car makes about 600hp and it has no huge wing, no stickers, and rims that make it look really nice.

 

I looked at a few 3000Gt vr4's while i was shopping for a new car after my RX got ripped off. They have 4 wheel steering as do the 300Z's. I did not care for the body style as i did for the 300z. But the 3000gt's have a back seat...bonus

 

Went and did some online research huh?
Almost believeable. hahah.
pathetic.



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Go ahead and pretend like your fbody is different. Theres so many of them on the road..they all look the same to people (unless of course you are a ******* yourself)

 

Go to bed you F A G G O T. No one here wants you here!

 

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Don't feed the trolls.


SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

 

Hey, why worry about the import turd anyways, he thinks he knows it all, but when it all comes down to it Hot Wheels don't count!

[This message has been edited by GreenMachine92rs (edited October 22, 2001).]

 

Ok, not sticking up for the ***** crowd, but check these guys out! www.hybridz.org Was looking into this a while back, chevy small block in a datsun Z car...weighs around 2500 lbs, can easily be made to turn corners with the best of them, and accepts a smallblock with readily available parts! Woohoo! Too bad I've recently found a 91 Z28 i just CAN'T live without...let's hope the bank approves my loan...trying to make it 4 f-bodys so far...

 

Thats soooo true.

Hybridz.org is pretty sweet, there is a lot of 327 cars, an LS1, GN motor, and a 540 BBC

[This message has been edited by Crusader (edited October 24, 2001).]

 

You know what guys, we shouldn't car about what people, cough "ricers", think about our cars. If someone is rich enough to buy an import and support some Jap or Euro company...let them be. They will have more trouble fixing it, buying parts i.e. body stuff, cams, pistons, blocks; All those people that have 10 sec.Civics.. spend more on a civic when they could have bought a nice Lexus.

How many people with a 1.8 Vtec engine have changed pistons, performance cams, bored block, and been able to stroke? none. All they do is add NOS or turbocharge.

I could build a Chevy 355ci with Demon 800cfm 4bb Double Pumper Carb, rollor Comp Cam, flat pistons, forged crank, roller lifters and 1.5 rocker arms... making a N/A about 512hp and 496 ft/tq. I saw it somewhere. all less than making a lawn mower go 3 sec faster.

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1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Mustangs and Camaros can run, but birds can Fly_-^

 

The whole cost issue is why i got away from the 300z/rx7 and even my 944S turbo. I sold the vett becasue i wanted a car with a back seat. I would post pic's of them if i had a scanner, consequently, i do not know how to post my pic's I figured for under 11G I wouldsup up my 91Z and put it into the 10s or 11's. Like I said before, i wasted too much money on those import cars and did not modify them becasue of the cost! My new engine should be finished by next week and i will be puttin out 450 hp before the install of the supercharger! Now I have to put on a set of subframe connectors and look into a new and larger ring gear to handle the power. Does anyone know what size ring gear will fit in the third gen rearends? By the way, purchasing a thirdgen was the best investment i could have made in reguards to cars! Best of both worlds, Fast, easy to modify, inexpensive (compared to many other cars!), look great, Back seat!, and a sleeper!

 

manuel I have seen people with VTEC mtors swapping out the pistons stroking there motor, putting in performance cams (hell that is something a lot of ppl that are serious about the car do), and stuff like that. just wish there we more people like that who were serious about there car in the import crowd. instead you have a bunch of ppl who think that by throwing on a fart can and some filter they now have all the power under the hood to take on everyone.

I deal with ppl like that all the time. hell it is not just imports it seems that do that also. there are two ppl from my work that are always talking how there cars are just so great and wonderfull. one is driving a 97 mustang v6 with a stick. his mods are true dual exhaust, filter, body kit, and think that about it. he claims 0-60 in 5 seconds and the 1/4 in about 13-14. another guy with a stock 99 cav 4 banger. all he has is 4 10" in the back and 17" inch rims.oh yeah when he really wants to go fast he takes his filter off. they both keep trying to race me and I am tired of it. the one guy in the mustang we went at it before and he lost about 2.5 cars by the time we hit 60. the gut in the cav claims to have beaten mustang GT's, preluds, rx7 turbos, z28's stuff like that. no nos no nothing just pure stock.

so I guess we both have our idiots just the import ones are talked about more.

and also the reason I went import is cause I have spent less money on this car then I have on my camaro by far in trying to keep it running. and is a lot more fun.

again though to each there own

 

Best Import for me was my dads 72-73 240z stripped to the max fibber bumper and an aluminum 218 V8, the thing did 170 mph and by then he was scared ****less because of no real suspension mods yet, No 1/4 mile times but damn was that car fast as ****.

But about all the rice burners if they can go 13's or less then they spent there money wisely, if they go 16 and they just added 200lbs in **** on there cars (wing folgers can's 20" rims on the rear and stock steels up front because of less rotating mass WTF?) then **** man figure it out and fix your damn hat!!!

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1989 Trans Am GTA

 

It must be awesome to own an RX7. They're exhaust sound totoally different than a 4 banger.I myself like the rotary engine. Interesting design..simple. They make considerable power and they rev like a motha. Wouldn't own one though.

All four bangers are meant to save gas. That is their intention. Sure, its pretty cool to make a lawn mower do tens and such. But those are for people with time on thier hands, they have lots of money, and want to be part of the ***** crowd. I wouldn't mind having a great great gas saver., but i wouldn't modify it.

Also, those people that actually do engine work to they're 4 banger... are very slim in population. Those people should have respect. They are very dedicated to thier work and produce a lawn mower with *****. But when those same people start badmouthing our detroit iron ... it plain sad. If a V8 had the same config. as a 10 sec 4 banger... than the V8 would deffinity win.

There is no replacement for displacement.

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1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Mustangs and Camaros can run, but birds can Fly_-^

 

Quoting myself, from a different thread on this same general topic:

People always quote "there's no replacement for displacement". People tend to say this BECAUSE if you make an engine bigger, it's almost always going to make more power.

Likewise, if you turbocharge or supercharge an engine, it's almost always going to make more power...by using the same logical premise that was just used a moment ago, you COULD say "there's no replacement for forced induction".

Then the typical response is: Well, if the engine was even BIGGER, it would perform better with a turbo...therefore there is STILL no replacement for displacement.

This is true...HOWEVER, if the TURBO were even bigger or more boost were added (up to the point of thermal inefficency for that size of turbo, of course), it would STILL make more power...and by the same logic, there is no replacement for forced induction.

It's the whole chicken and the egg argument.

You can make big power with lots of displacement or lots of boost. Ideally, of course, you've got lots of BOTH.

All four bangers are NOT designed for fuel economy. There are several notable exceptions that provide decent performance for small-medium sized cars. Unfortunately, the BEST of the performance four-bangers are not available in this country. Not every car requires a V8 to perform strongly. If the engine is smaller and lighter, the car around it can be smaller. Light weight in a car's engine has a trickle-down effect, allowing a lighter chassis, lighter transmission, etc. etc. etc.

I have a feeling that I haven't changed your perception of the way performance cars "ought" to be, but try to have an open mind.

SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

P.S. Do you have any timeslips for your 3rd gen yet?

 

Spoom, Thanks for telling me that about no replacement for forced induction. Never heard about that before.

Thanks to you, I have a newer way of logic. Thanks man.

Of course, I would rather have something with power and still have a good credit rating. LOL! One thing about those four bangers is that they may have 28psi of boost but no large displacement. Why not go all the way? You may have spent so much on a 4 banger. What is it then, that "drives" these people to make so much power out of a 4 banger? Is it hype? Is it self-confidence? Pressure? Job? wanting to be unique?

i guess..To each its's own.

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1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Mustangs and Camaros can run, but birds can Fly_-^

 

there are many probs with imports. First of all the infamous potato shooter, oh well if its sounds fast it must be, NOOO.Second is the spoilers, half these f***ing thigs dont even help lower your drag coef, and they look like ****. Third is that yeah they may run 13s but for one reason, theyre on the ***** juice aka nos. I mean wtf, build a real motor, anyone can strap a bottle to an intake and press a button and prey they dont blow their motor, ******. And just for the record i have never lost to an import.

 

my list of imports isn't long, but if i could have any of them...
new nissan 350z ouchhh
rx7/8, any year, rotary's are just plain cool
lotus elise, small car, small engine, fast as all hell, 190 horse and 1600 pounds, f'ing go kart
supra turbo
3000gt vr4
and....
Koenigsegg c4, 650 horse and 1900 pounds, good l-rd, awesome

But of course the italian exotics are always on my and most others lists, lambo, ferrari and the like
But given the choice...c6 vette and z06, any day of the week, followed by any fast camaro, personally i like early second gens 70-73, and of course, the true styling statement of the 80's, and perhaps the most appealing body style to come out of meric, third gen camaros

 

"Of course, I would rather have something with power and still have a good credit rating. LOL!"

Not all four-bangers are expensive to make fast...it just depends on what you spend your money on in the first place. DSM's are notorious for their cheap-*** owners (ask one to be one!)

"One thing about those four bangers is that they may have 28psi of boost but no large displacement. Why not go all the way?"

Why not go all the way with your V8 and bore/stroke it from here to eternity and then slap the biggest turbo or supercharger you can find onto it? Same reason, probably.

"You may have spent so much on a 4 banger."

Some people do. Some people don't.

"What is it then, that "drives" these people to make so much power out of a 4 banger? Is it hype? Is it self-confidence? Pressure? Job? wanting to be unique?"

What is it then, that "drives" these people to make so much power out of a V8? Is it hype? Is it self-confidence? Pressure? Job? wanting to be unique?*

*(I left that line in because there seem to be as many "modified" imports around these days as thumpin' V8's. I use the word "modified" very loosely, in this case).

"i guess..To each its's own."

Exactly!!!!!!

I think that Grand Nationals and Supras are a great combination of displacement and forced induction...you can get tons of extra power out of either of these cars by just sneezing on them.

SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

 

One of the things I think people are overlooking is that the Rims-Wing-FartPipe school of is a fad of the times, like the Kustom Vans of the 70's. How many of them do you see anymore? Soon, the big wings and radical body kits will look as dated as fogged paint and **** headliners.
A clean IROC or 85-89 T/A still looks good today, if a little dated, but still good.
Cars like the Nissan 300ZX (90-96) still look as modern and appropriate as they did when they were new, ELEVEN years ago. Machines like the Ferarri 375 Daytona, 288 GTO, and even the 308 GTSi remain as classics bacause of their enduring designs.
In 30 years, the Honda Civic, no matter how 'tuned' will still be remembered as an economy car.

 

One More Thing:
For all you Honda 100-shot NOS guys:
How 'bout some 'Ridge Runnin' out on Rt 11? I have 250 HP, you have 250 HP, but you will run out of squeeze long before I run out of gas.

 

SPOOM, i may have not told you. About a month ago i had a 383. I ended it selling it, because i got a good deal and i couldn't make the 383 rev high. With the specs I had, i made 543hp and 400 ft/tq. I ended up paying about $1500 in total. I would've got more power if I had rollor lifters and rockers. Just needed more $$$$.

Also, today i saw a Firbird Formula with a 3 foot tall wing. It was yellow. I guess not all imports are ricers. A formula of all cars.damn. makes me both angry and shame for that dude.Although i see more imports with hudge fart pipes and wings and stickers and body kits and lowered and fuly paint jobs.

Also you mentioned GNs and supras. i like the GNs but the supras are a nightmare. Ever had to reapir one? A friends-friend had a Turbo supra and the rear right axle bent when he was crusing. The wheel was slanted and ruined his rims. I have also heard other similar stories. Sure, the may ride nice with their rear independent suspension, but they are more easier to brake. Nothing beats a Chevy 12-bolt with 33spline axles...i guess.

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1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Mustangs and Camaros can run, but birds can Fly_-^