hot86z-28

my friend has a brand new bone stock acura rsx not the type s or whatever the cheaper one, my 86 is bone stock too, hopefully not for long, who would win in a 1/4 mile?

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86 sc z-28
305 ci around 150 hp prob lil more
my first car and the best one i will ever own.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

it depends....if he's has a stick and knows how to drive it he should beat you

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To hell with the GM vs Ford war. We must unite, as brothers to fight the plague that is overtaking the world...RICE

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JR4444

concidering the RSX has 200HP and is probably a stick he'll win. Iv'e driven a top of the line RSX and they have some *****

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88 Formula 350 WS6
Upper and Lower SuperRam, 1000 CFM Accel Throttle Body, ZZ4 cam, 24# Motorsport Injectors, Larger Gutted Mass Sensor, Homemade Cold Air induction, Custom Burned PROM, MSD 6a box, MSD Distributor, Accel SuperCoil, Taylor 8mm wires, TB Bypass, B&M shift Kit, 160* Thermostat, Flowmaster Muffler

Headers in the mail soon to be installed

hot86z-28

the rsx top of the line comin from the fact. only has 180 and his only has 160. he is 16 same as me and can drive fairly well but not terrific, let's say i drive it better than he does,and i have an auto, if i put headers and a flowmaster exhause and chip on mine would i be a better race?

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86 sc z-28
305 ci around 150 hp prob lil more
my first car and the best one i will ever own.

hot86z-28

sry bout the double post tryin to edit and hit wrong thing

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86 sc z-28
305 ci around 150 hp prob lil more
my first car and the best one i will ever own.

[This message has been edited by hot86z-28 (edited December 01, 2001).]

RedFirebird

If your friend knows how to drive a stick, he has you beat unless he has the base model with an auto. You might be able to edge him in a stoplight to stoplight racing.

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JR4444

Not to argue but the RSX Type S had 200 HP from the factory, but since he doesn't have that I think you could take him in a stoplight race.

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88 Formula 350 WS6
Upper and Lower SuperRam, 1000 CFM Accel Throttle Body, ZZ4 cam, 24# Motorsport Injectors, Larger Gutted Mass Sensor, Homemade Cold Air induction, Custom Burned PROM, MSD 6a box, MSD Distributor, Accel SuperCoil, Taylor 8mm wires, TB Bypass, B&M shift Kit, 160* Thermostat, Flowmaster Muffler

Headers in the mail soon to be installed

hot86z-28

hey, you are right sorry i was talkin to him and he told me 180 but then i asked him to check cause he knows all of those sites and he said o yea it's 200. sorry, didn't mean to get on you about that.

stangstomper02

this is my first post on this website but my brother in cali has a base rsx and those things will fly. if its the manual or sport tronic version, then he has you beat. even the base model can have 200 hp. all you have to do is change out the ecu and cam's. stock i believe they run a mid to high 14. maybe low 15's. my brother has I/H/E on his and is pushing close to 255 hp. good luck when you race him.

86BIRD-MY FIRST CAR

I've got 175hp (under rated) and 205 ft lbs tourqe, i could probably match or if not beat the rsx, might be close?

Ghour_Demon

The RSX will win, the power and weight are both in his favor

V6canvas

iTrader: (1)

Do not listen to the naysayers!!
Layeth down the Smackth upon the head of thy ***** foe. For "... on the 7th day *** did not rest, no; he created the Chevy 350 SB. And then he looked down on Earth and said, Now all is good, this is my finest creation." and your 305 is a close brother of ye 350 SB.

seriously, they feel quick, but I think you'll have him. They are better suited for being nimble than for pushing you back in the seat, esp if its an auto.

PS there is no way I/H/E will give you 255 hp on any 4 banger not already putting out 240hp

86BIRD-MY FIRST CAR

Ghour did u mean against me or hot86?

Ghour_Demon

If its a stick shift, It'll be in his favor, even with the base engine,
but if its an auto then it will be a close race, either one could take it then, here's the stats

base model rsx
just under 2800lb curb weight with auto
just under 2700lb curb weight with stick
2.0 4cyl 160hp, 141ft/lbs

type s
2.0 4 cyl 200hp, 142ft/lbs

your car weighs at least 3300lbs with a v8 and has only 10 more horses (assuming its the 170hp v8)
VS
his car weighs less than 2800lbs and has 10 horses less than you.

If you have the weaker V8, you will surely be seeing acura tailights

Bird_of_Prey

what about Torque?.. i'm pretty sure his chevy has more oomph off the go, and if he can keep the lead as the RSX gets into the 7g rpm's.. i'm think he'll be able to win it..
assuming that everything's in good working order on the chevy.

rsxtcy

alright, this is hot86-z28's friend with the rsx. it is a sportronic transmission with 160 hp. i am so sick of you domestic people calling any import you see "rice." it is an overused term that you use because your cars aren't as good as imports. i don't see you calling bmw, benz, or ferrari "rice." and that was naming just a few. there is nothing wrong with a new acura. i have nothing rice on it or plan on installing. second, i will agree that he might have me in the low end. smaller headers could change that though. and noway in hell he has me in top end. once vtec kicks in, it is bye bye domestic. hot86z-28 has an auto 305 putting out 170 maybe......he has a messed up tranny. there is no way he can take me. as for our car not being able to put out close to 250 with I/H/E unless we are already at 240, you are wrong. with an injen sri, dynos of +18 have been made. borla exhaust adds another 12 hp. headers are a ? because it depends on what kind. hell, you can get 40 hp just by changing the ecu and cam's in the base model. so you can say what you want, but there are just so many factors of the race that go in my favor.

86BIRD-MY FIRST CAR

rsxtcy i could probably take u in my GA, i crushed 3 2000 Vtech honda's and a mid 96 integra, i know im putting out more tourqe than u and HP.

Ghour_Demon

Like I said, the RSX will most likely win, only to lose to someone more superior, LIKE ME!
and another thing i dont use the term "rice" i prefer to call them "imps" short for imports, from early 80's corrolas and civics to brand new ferraris and lambs

Schultzy89GTA

Maybe it's just me but it seems like there is an extremely easy way to settle this.

rx7speed

you ben redin them thar menufucter horsy power thingymabobers now haven't ya?


just to let you know man a lot of htem have a bunch of BS on them

most I have EVER SEEN of a cam swap and ECU is about about the same number you quoted
but I wouldn't drive that car on the street
it took away so much of the low end on that car
+17hp at 5500rpms
-19hp at 3000 rpms

now header on your car?
prolly not going to do much cause if I remember right honda already has a good exhaust manifold setup

intake filter

maybe at most going to give you 2-5hp
depending on how ****ty of a stock setup you have
I'm sure as hell mine is a lot worse then yours and it didn't do much for me till about 5000 rpms then I get a little extra kick but not enough to brag about

borla exhaust adding 12hp? LMAO
ok for a borla to add that much hp to a stock "cat back" car you must be going from a 1 inch pipe to a 2 inch pipe or something.
sorry I do not see honda doing something that stupid to make the exhaust that bad on a car this day in age
and I really know for a fact that my exhaust is a lot more restrictive then yours (if anyone has seen my exhaust manifold that I posted on the V6 forum you know what I am talking about) the manifold is made to keep the exhaust gas inside there rather then letting it flow out free. the exhaust pipes look to go from 2 inch off the block, into a 2 1/2 inch pipe then y out to 1 3/4 inch pipes again
that is with 3 cats in there and some really ****ty mufflers

now if I put a full header and cat back on my car
I might gain maybe 15-20hp
and that is on a good running motor.
now that 15-20 is for a FULL exhaust not just a cat back
also if you do the math my motor does have a higher displacement so to speak then yours so your gains should be less. and with the way the exhaust works on these cars they tend to respond better then a piston motor

so there is no way you can get 12hp out of just a cat back


though I do agree that you will prolly take him

rx7speed

oh yeah one other thing if you are talkin about just swapping the cam and ecu from a type S into the base and getting 40 hp you are crazy

did you forget that the type s also is running 11:1 comp where you are running only 9.8:1

that alone will make a big difference

and I wouldn't be shocked if they are running a different head or a worked out head

so if you swap just the type s cam and ecu into your car it might not run that great at all b/c of the different ign/fuel tables setup for the other things on the type s that are different then on your car

Dragula

OOOOHH...rsxtcy and his import are scaring me. Yeah I dog on them because they are better than my car
Besides, "rice" is the politically-uncorrect term for cars made in japan and such. I guess Ferraris and Lamborghinis would have to be "spaghettis" and BMW's and Mercedes are "bratwursts"
Rsxtcy... get a life and get off the "Fast and the Furious" bandwagon.

StngKlr

Alright WTF.

It dosent seem logical to get the base model RSX and swap in the top model hardware to me. Any one else? How much money would all of that cost, I'm thinking a good ammount. Why not get the top model from the get go and work on that.

I'm just saying do what you want, but when you start talking about our cars on a ThirdGen site, then expect to get flamed a whole lot. Everyone is welcome here, but when you start talking like that, then we will see how long it takes for a moderator to kick you and your buddy out. That would be a shame since your bud with Camaro seems to be cool. Talk civilized and you are welcome, otherwise dont come back.

Also, instead of arguing about, just line them up and see who wins. If the Camaro loses, come down to Texas and I'll personaly whip your cars a**.

rsxtcy

now did i say anything was wrong with camaros? no i did not. all i said was that you use the term rice too much, you talk about hp performance when you don't know the facts, and now you get all uptight when an acura owner gets on here to straighten some things out. now, the injen sri has dynos of plus 18 hp, borla has claimed 12. i was not trying to ruffle any feathers off the "almighty domestics." fast and furious bandwagon? yeah, theres a new and original one. although THERE ARE NO rsx's in the movie nor am i driving a riced out car. now because dragula had nothing else to say, he has to just throw something out. think before you speak moron. now to the sensible rx7, when i was talking about switching the ecu and cams, i neglected to mention the work on fuel setup. that was my fault and i will be man enough to admit it. and i didn't say intake filter. i said injen short ram intake. and you will get more then 2-5 hp on it.

ChillPhatCat

1. I believe the above statement gives us full entitlement to get defensive... you can easily apologize for the comment and everything will be cool... we've got plenty of non-thirdgen drivers in here... you just gotta give respect to the camaro/firebird to be welcome here.

2. A lot of people refer to german cars as "kraut" and why in hell would we call a Lamborghini or Ferrari by any derogatory term... those cars are in a totally different category and objects of beauty.

3. Your numbers are a bit high, you can't beleive everything you read in brocures, because those are the highest numbers attainable with who knows what modifications.

4. I'm gonna have to say you're gonna crush your friend hot86-z here... your car has more horsies and a bit less weight... just as long as you stay in your power band.

No hostilities intended.
- CPC

Ghour_Demon

Many thirdgen cars eat rice, But sometimes they have to spit it out due to bad taste......

hot86z-28

oh lord, he's got on this website now. j/k aaron. but guys, i agree his car is not rice, other than the fact it is a jap car, but nothing else about it is rice, i will back him up on that. the only reason he doesn't have a domestic, is basically he thinks they are to "regular in our area" he has a car like no other in our area, nobody has an RSX. i dont like the fact but is true, lots of people have camaro's, mustang's and firebirds in our area.

the whole intake mod, i have seen the dyno of it, he's right, but that doesn't mean jack, it's on one car, prob. not stock either, and they probably clogged up the old intake, and put the new one on, jk but the numbers i have seen to be true.

only one way to find out, and yes the tranny is messed up right now but i will have it fixed soon enough. NO WAY I COULD TAKE YOU, come on, lets be reasonable. By the time you have ur license i will have good tranny, headers, exhaust, open element, and maybe even a cam, and u will still be stuck at stock, and then u will be seein nothin but "PURE DOMESTIC POWER".

very true, but no license, so wont work yet. this summer i will show him who his daddy is, trust me, and if i dont i will sell the 86 and buy a newer 5.7L 350 and have everybody but one mustang in the parking lot. he runs an 11.47 on street tires, i dont quite have him. but soon enough soon enough.

dont knock on him to hard, he likes camaro's for the most part, they are just real common in our area, and he wanted something different so he went with an import. dont hate him because of it

rsxtcy

well like i said, i didn't mean to get on here and ruffle any feathers but it just pisses me off when people go around calling any import "rice" and saying i jumped on the FandF bandwagon. i apologize for my comments except dragula, that was just uncalled for. and like you said, there is only one way to find out, we will see this summer. oh and btw mad props on the awesome photoshop, i spit water on the screen when i saw that. peace

rx7speed

the fuel curve would be part of the ECU swap. the only way you would need to take care of it is if you need to swap injectors

but the type s I am thinking has a worked intake manifold as well as some minor head work over the base. least that is what I figure



as for the filter sorry my fualt for not reading right hehe
but the short ram that would sound about right maybe 2-5hp for that



and with borla as well as a lot of auto part makers say you can get up to 25hp from just a muffler sometimes
I don't understand how unless they are going from a really f-up exhuast to one that better fits the motor
and who knows what mods they have already done to the car to make it NEED that exhaust

rsxtcy

actually, i believe the headers are the same for both. the exhausts are a little different if i am not mistaken. btw how much would it cost approx. to change from 9.8:1 to 11:1 w/ an ecu and cams.

rx7speed

depends on how they gained that compression ratio

they might have used a smaller cc head
or a different piston
maybe even both

the header I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same
the whole exhaust prolly is the same due to cost

but for a set of pistons you could prolly spend about 400-500
cam maybe another 150-300
ecu about 200-400
head... well my guess would be something like 700-1200

these are of course a guess based on normal AFTERMARKET cost of parts

rsxtcy

well that aint bad considering the injen intake is around $250 and the borla exhaust is $550. i think i will convert it before adding I/H/E. i am hoping to get 250 hp out of it. if not, i might got with a 10-15 shot of n2o. what do you think? also, what is the normal 1/4 for a 350 camaro?

StngKlr

Ah good, see, act cool and we act cool. Everybody cool.

rx7speed

injen intake is about 2-5hp that's it
a manifold will prolly cost you around 800 bucks aftermarket
maybe give you 5-15hp

a 10-15shot of n20 is not even worth putting on the car for the amount it would cost
then also you would have to find a kit that would produce that little amount of hp
the smallest I have seen is a 50shot

I/H/E would be the best thing to do first

that way you have everything setup for in the future when you do your mods there


also normal times fora 350 camaro can range from what low high 15's to low 14's depending on gen and year

I think the thirdgens are low 14 second cars

rsxtcy

yeah i am cool now, i was just a little angry that yall seem to think any import is considered "rice." its straight though

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

I don't consider your car a ***** really unless you make it 1, but some of those statements u made were hilarious!! ROTFL!!



The 350 TPI's are low 14 sec. cars stock usually ranging from 14.2-14.4, especially the G92's and cars that got it standard. (most of them have it) Some run faster than that yet and are easy to get in the 13's.

Ghour_Demon

Hey RSXTCY..
Where can I get a supercharger or turbo kit for the new rsx?
Might be very interested in buying this car with that mod....

hot86z-28

not positive, but i dont think they have come out yet, sry. I am not sure but i think that is what he told me, and he said they were gonna be quite a bit to. in upwards of 3g's, nice mod but pricey.

rsxtcy

well depends on which way you are turning.... if you wanna go turbo, i would suggest the revhard(which isn't finished yet) or the greddy. neither will be cheap. if you want a supercharger, i would wait for the hytech one to come out. it will be one he!! of a s/c. any questions, you can check out clubrsx.com. they have a lot of info on the new kits coming out

Dragula

rsxtcy is only mad at me........darn. Dude if your buddy is willing to vouch for your car not being "riced" out then cool. But don't start saying that third gen owners dog on imports because the imports are better than our cars. I beat imports ALL THE TIME and my current setup will waste them even more. I am definitely not jealous of your car.....except for maybe your gas mileage
Either way.....I will be a man here and retract my Fast and Furious statement and throw out my apologies from one car nut to another Stay cool and go beat the crap out of your buddies Camaro!

StngKlr

Hey Dragula, you ever come to Paris to race on our POS track?

Dragula

Not yet.....been thinking of it though. All we have here is an 1/8mi track up the road......I might head down after I get my car put back together.

rsxtcy

now when you say you beat imports all the time, do you mean just imports from japan or imports from different countries. i have driven some german and italian cars before, and i seriously doubt you could take some of them. anyways, i didn't say you should be jealous of my car, except maybe in the style dept. but i aint mad at you, i got nothing but respect for most camaros. in fact, like 86z-28 said, i would drive one if they weren't so dang common. i could drive through town for 15 minutes and see 4 or 5.

StngKlr

Our track is only 1/8 mi. also. Every sunday it is packed though.
Saturdays is usually grudge, test tune, etc. Its open now.

Dragula

Here in my city we have a local speed shop called "Revolution Motorsports". These jokers are the epitome of the F and F morons. I have had Civics and Integras with Supra wings and big resonating tips try to race my car before I started putting in the new motor (was running mid 13's with the 350). It was a slaughter. And I have even raced Beamers and Porsches, one Viper and many Vettes. No Ferraris yet......anyways, I am searching for low 12's to high 11's when I get my car back on the road......there aren't too many imports (including BMW and Mercedes) who can run in that range. I am obviously excluding the exotic imports such as the newer Ferrari's, Lambo's, Porsches, McLarens and such.

Dragula

Man StngKlr....I could have swore y'alls track was a 1/4.......guess I'm thinking of Ennis.

StngKlr

Yeah Ennis is the only 1/4 track I know of around here. Unless that new one off of I30 in Rowlett is a 1/4, but I havent been there so, looks sweet though.

rsxtcy

dragula, you sound like a real racer. raced any nsx's, 3000gt's, s2000's, or modded skyline's? also, i am sure you know that the vette's and vipers are domestic not import.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

"except maybe in the style dept."

:sillylol:

I think that is opinion, but whatever.

Dragula

Dude...give me some credit.....I know Vettes and Vipers are domestic. I have raced one modded S2000, a non VR4 3000GT, no Skylines. I knew a guy in Omaha that had a tricked out Skyline......man those turbo'd inline 6's are bad ***.
I'm hoping to be able to beat the ZO6 Vettes and Vipers