Es_91rs

Hey guys so I have my 91 RS l03 with full bolt ons, T56 swap, new suspension, etc etc. Recently I also purchased a 2015 2LS v6 5th gen as a daily. My neighbor has a 98-02 WS6 with an exhaust. He likes trying to pick on my 2015 and has learned that he can't really beat it. My v6 is hanging with him and he just can't pull. Now we haven't really raced so much as played a bit (at least I've never gone all out MAYBE 3/4 throttle and shifting at 5k rpm) and he seems really pissed every time. Now when this first startd he was talking a lot of **** cus he did a tuner flyby on me on my way to work one morning and I told him if he really wanted to run I'd put him up against my third gen. Not 100% that my 91 is faster than my 2015 but it feels that way. He absolutely REFUSES to run my 91. Any clue as to who would win if he decided to run my 91? Like I said it feels faster than my 5th gen but that doesn't mean it is. No track times or anything like that for either car though.

dbrochard

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I don't think you would win

Es_91rs

Yeah I'm not 100% either. I know my 5th gen could take him from a roll and I'm fairly certain the 91 could keep close but not sure about a win. At least not until I drop a new motor in and possibly add a supercharger lol.

Es_91rs

WS6 is the Trans Am. And yes from a stop I would be destroyed. However most of the time he wants to play we are already doing 55-60 and being that my v6 5th gen handles him with no problems at that speed I don't think the 91 would have too hard of a time keeping up. Not gonna say I'd win because I wouldn't bet money on it, but I doubt he'd put enough space to brag about between us.

86firebird350

You're 2015 Camaro makes about 300hp, roughly the same as the WS6, and is probably just a few tenths slower in the 1/4. Your 91, even with the mods you have, mayyyyybe makes 200hp and would barely break into the 14's with the L03. Sorry to say but your best bet is to race him in the V6.

I think a better race for your 91 would be my GTA

Es_91rs

Haha fair enough. I was just curious on thoughts. The v6 is 323 hp at the crank and is a good bit of fun. I feel as though he would take me from a stop even in that though. Fortunately he takes it a lot more seriously than me so I can laugh that his "race car" isn't really much faster than my cars.

Thirdgen89GTA

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You need to learn Paragraphs. Because I can't tell half of what you are talking about since you are mixing up everything into a single paragraph. Might as well throw a taco into a blender and try to pick out the individual flavors.

But in order:

LS1 > V6 5th Gen > L03.

V6 5th gens aren't exactly known for their acceleration. I don't think there are anything but a handful of bone stock cars that have even touched a high 13. Every list I can find is low-mid 14's around 95-100mph. Thats LT1 4th gen territory.

If your friend's WS6 is running like it did from the factory he should destroy you at any RPM from any gear. Even bone stock. If you can't get a stock LS1 F-body into the mid-13's then you are either driving at extreme altitudes, or its not running right. About the only way he won't pull on either of your cars is if he sits n' spins at the start cause he has no throttle control.

Your L03. these cars are SLOW. Mini-van slow. Even all the bolt-ons barely bring them to the 15's. You don't want a list of modern cars that are quicker than your L03, you'd see Mini-vans and Camry's on it.

If you want proof of what I'm saying, go hit the drag strip, and get real time-slips.

Your GTA vs a L03? That would be downright painful for the L03, bolt-ons or not.

My Focus ST vs the V6 would be decent. I don't have one of the fastest ST's, but I've still got one of the upper echelon times for a bone stock ST.

Es_91rs

Well then, not to be a dick, but if I need to learn paragraphs then please learn to read and pay attention.

What I mentioned, through multiple posts, is that this is all from a roll of 55-60 mph. Am I confident that his car is in good running shape? No. I know nothing about the car other than it definitely has aftermarket exhaust and has ws6 badges.

What I do know is that my v6 5th gen is more than enough to keep up with him. No it's not a real win for either party but he's not pulling on me.

As far as the LO3, yes it's not a very quick car by today's standards, but I can say that plenty of people here have shown better than, as you put it, barely into the 15's times with bolt ons. And the gear change of going from a t5 to a t56 is a bit more than the average bolt on.

Do I believe the car is a low 14's to high 13's ride? No. Again this is all from a roll and being that 55-60 is right in the power band of 5th gear in that car it pulls pretty damn well. Enough that it could keep close or keep up to that car without getting walked too horribly.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Go to the drag strip. I researched Camaro5.com. When it comes to hopes on cars I'm a huge believer in truth of facts. What "feels" fast, isn't always so. The only true documented determination is a strip of pavement thats two lanes wide, and 1320ft long.

This is from their V6 thread for the fastest bone stock V6 5th gens. The most recent entry is from April 2014. So two years old. However, if you look at the average ET and Trap Speed, it just doesn't compare with bone stock LS1s and is likely a good representation of the 5th Gen V6.

My Focus ST would be an entertaining race for your V6.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2819/...a939be5a_c.jpg

Es_91rs

You are correct that the average driver in a v6 5th gen isn't breaking into the 13's however the other factors here are the ability of the other driver, and the fact that this is with the race starting at 55 mph, not from a stop.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Still not close in the real world. The faster the speed the race starts at, the MORE advantage that is given to the LS1. Why? Because it has more power, torque, and less weight to accelerate. The LS1 will do close to 165mph. The V6 Camaro? 155mph drag limited according to the 2015 V6 specs.

And before you mention about how "he can't get away from me" get both cars to the strip and look at the trap speeds. Street race crap about a fender and a car length is nothing.

Going to the drag strip is a right of passage in car culture. Everyone should do it. Every question you had about what was faster gets a zero BS answer there.

Everything else is conjecture.

I know its winter, and for some like me, the strips are closed. So it may be months before the opportunity arrives. You'll both reach the near 100mph area and you will have your answer.

Es_91rs

Haha yeah it would be a good time. I know that there is always a faster car and running the cars I do there are a lot of faster cars.

I would like to run into him on the track but we're not on speaking terms and he's not into legal racing. He likes to do flybys and run on the streets so that's where I've run into him.

Personally I find road courses more appealing as it takes a bit more than just raw horse power and knowing how to launch to win.

zraffz

Did I really just read about somebody claiming their V6 5th Gen is as fast as there neighbors LS1 WS6... and then he takes it a step further by saying his L03 would be the car he'd rather use to race said WS6 (assuming he thinks his L03 is faster than his 5th gen)?

That WS6 with just it's exhaust will spank your L03 with fuel bolt on + supercharger. The same WS6 will spank your V6 5th gen with full bolt ons. You are comparing a low 13-high 12 second car to an 18 second and high 14 second car.

shugart111

wrong LO3's are solid 16 second cars

studdmstr

Ahh the hopes and dreams of kids. I wouldn't exactly call headers, cat back and clutch full bolt-ons either.

L03 VS WS6 you're going to get spanked rolling from 55 -60 or off the line. If you're still running the stock cam and heads that 305 tbi is going to be running out of steam around 80mph and the WS6 is still has plenty to go.