91 t5 305 firebird VS Fiesta ST
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91 t5 305 firebird VS Fiesta ST
Not really sure why I'm posting this but for what its worth, a friend of mine has a Fiesta ST (euro 3 door but I believe for performance intents and purposes identical to the NA car)
Had a race from a roll. 40mph to about a 100. Done 3 runs
I ran from third and changed up around 4.5k rpm, finishing in 4th. I ended up being slightly ahead, maybe a car and a half. Very close.
On one run I kept it in forth and the ST pulled away.
My car is a stock R6P (G92 equiv for firebird) car but for headers and an exhaust, about 115k miles on the clock.
Given the Fiesta ST's stats that's probably about right. And factoring the TPI's are stronger off the line than from a roll, I suspect a quarter mile thrash would have the firebird more ahead?
Still, can't believe we're about level with a hot-hatch. The shame!
Any similar experiences, would love to hear
Had a race from a roll. 40mph to about a 100. Done 3 runs
I ran from third and changed up around 4.5k rpm, finishing in 4th. I ended up being slightly ahead, maybe a car and a half. Very close.
On one run I kept it in forth and the ST pulled away.
My car is a stock R6P (G92 equiv for firebird) car but for headers and an exhaust, about 115k miles on the clock.
Given the Fiesta ST's stats that's probably about right. And factoring the TPI's are stronger off the line than from a roll, I suspect a quarter mile thrash would have the firebird more ahead?
Still, can't believe we're about level with a hot-hatch. The shame!
Any similar experiences, would love to hear
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Cars have come a long way in the last 10 years. We are living in the greatest golden age of power and speed.
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Its scary to think a kid in a fiesta st would pull up to a pony car and legit have a chance at beating you in stock form.But thats where we are at this day and age.And i saldy dont want to admit this..but since i do work at a ford dealer and have driven plenty of fiesta st..focus st/rs etc..the fiesta st probably would beat the firebird from a dig with the right driver.They are crazy light hatchback cars. But if it was a roadcourse..that fiesta st would eat the bird lap after lap
Time to ad some grunt to the bird to scare those pesky hot hatches away.
Time to ad some grunt to the bird to scare those pesky hot hatches away.
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Yea, I have a stock Fiesta ST as my daily commuter. It'll beat pretty much any stock thirdgen from stop to top in straight line, and no thirdgen will touch it in the esses, especially with the Michelin PSS on it. Driving it really is a true pleasure.
Of course, if you take into consideration "cool-factor"... well it lacks that entirely.
Of course, if you take into consideration "cool-factor"... well it lacks that entirely.
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Still, can't believe we're about level with a hot-hatch. The shame!
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You miss the point of this thread entirely.
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I've never drove a fiesta st but my old boss had a focus st. From driving that car in stock form and modified form, with included eibach pro springs, I have a hard time believing these cars handle better than the performance versions of our third gens. Yes it would out run all third gens but the gnx powered pace car but in 1984 the z28 was deemed the best handling car in America with a skid pad rating of (don't quote me exactly) .86g (I know it was in the .8x rating) with them old junk *** good years. Bring that car into today with a set of 17in rims and low pro tires such as the BFG kdw 2 and that number would most definitely rise into the strong .9xg range. My 84 z28 handled amazing and so did my 87 iroc and 88 gta ws6. And the 84 seemed to be the best at speeds above 120 mph tho. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that the st is faster but in my opinion there's no way it could out do a third gen in the cones. And for reference the focus st runs 14.4 in 1/4, g92 cars and B2L equipped cars ran 14.5-14.7. so not a *** dragging by any means. Motor week I believe it was claimed to have gotten a 84 trans am 3:73 t5 L69 car into the mid 14s back in the day as well. Just food for thought.
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I think your the one that needs to keep dreaming, according to multiple sources the FiST pulls .90-.94 g on a skid pad. The 84 z28 with it's tall skinny junk tires from 84 did .86 or something like that. A year later in 85 on a 16in junk tire combo the new iroc-z pulled .94g. Bring tire tech to today speed and that 85 iroc could probably pull 1 g on the skid pad and just imagine what a 1LE car would do in today's world!! Plus the whole fact that your wrong wheel drive platform will plow and under steer when it is at it's limit or close to it. Our third gens will over steer, not only the handling difference between the cars but the wheel drive is what would really set them apart on the track. Put the st against a 91-92 LB9 t5 3:42/3:45 dual cat 1LE 230hp car on any track and it would get dominated allllllll day long.
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I had a 90 GTA which had the full thirdgen. org choice refresh incl. bearing top mounts, tubular arms, konis etc and on an airfield track day my brother's E46 330ci had me in the corners. His car was stock right down to the tyres. I don't profess to be a great driver but neither is he.
Sure on a flat sweeper corner thirdgens, with a few usual suspension mods, can hang on with newer sports cars but tighter chicanes with lots of weight transfer going on, I'm not so sure.
They pulled some impressive numbers in their day, but, as mentioned above, today is a golden era for performance...
Sure on a flat sweeper corner thirdgens, with a few usual suspension mods, can hang on with newer sports cars but tighter chicanes with lots of weight transfer going on, I'm not so sure.
They pulled some impressive numbers in their day, but, as mentioned above, today is a golden era for performance...
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Sure on a flat sweeper corner thirdgens, with a few usual suspension mods, can hang on with newer sports cars but tighter chicanes with lots of weight transfer going on, I'm not so sure.
They pulled some impressive numbers in their day, but, as mentioned above, today is a golden era for performance...
They pulled some impressive numbers in their day, but, as mentioned above, today is a golden era for performance...
My '90 Trans Am has a fair amount of suspension mods and excellent tires, as well, and is an absolute blast to drive. However, she's heavy and has a solid rear axle, and getting her to shift her weight around on the track without upsetting her is like wrestling a gorilla. My stock '15 FiSt and nearly stock '07 Solstice GXP, on the other hand, are almost effortless when tossing them around the corners. The skid pad numbers may look similar on paper, but once you get them out on the track, it's a massive difference.
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That's precisely the key right there that people that don't have any track experience and base their fantastic theories on numbers from magazine articles can't comprehend.
My '90 Trans Am has a fair amount of suspension mods and excellent tires, as well, and is an absolute blast to drive. However, she's heavy and has a solid rear axle, and getting her to shift her weight around on the track without upsetting her is like wrestling a gorilla. My stock '15 FiSt and nearly stock '07 Solstice GXP, on the other hand, are almost effortless when tossing them around the corners. The skid pad numbers may look similar on paper, but once you get them out on the track, it's a massive difference.
My '90 Trans Am has a fair amount of suspension mods and excellent tires, as well, and is an absolute blast to drive. However, she's heavy and has a solid rear axle, and getting her to shift her weight around on the track without upsetting her is like wrestling a gorilla. My stock '15 FiSt and nearly stock '07 Solstice GXP, on the other hand, are almost effortless when tossing them around the corners. The skid pad numbers may look similar on paper, but once you get them out on the track, it's a massive difference.
I'm not surprised that bmw worked it over. I love driving BMWs most of them drive great. Just wish the ones I liked were faster lol
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Based on your posts, it's an easy conclusion to draw that you don't have much or any, in the same sense that it's an easy conclusion to draw that a guy claiming that 2x4=11 doesn't have an engineering degree hanging on his wall.
On this point, we agree 100%. Where we disagree is that a stock, near-stock, or even moderately modified thirdgen is remotely close in cornering ability to a stock FiST.
On this point, we agree 100%. Where we disagree is that a stock, near-stock, or even moderately modified thirdgen is remotely close in cornering ability to a stock FiST.
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Based on your posts, it's an easy conclusion to draw that you don't have much or any, in the same sense that it's an easy conclusion to draw that a guy claiming that 2x4=11 doesn't have an engineering degree hanging on his wall.
On this point, we agree 100%. Where we disagree is that a stock, near-stock, or even moderately modified thirdgen is remotely close in cornering ability to a stock FiST.
On this point, we agree 100%. Where we disagree is that a stock, near-stock, or even moderately modified thirdgen is remotely close in cornering ability to a stock FiST.
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It's an old math joke. Lighten up
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Okay, that was so slick I didn't even see it until you pointed it out. Good one!