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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 12:32 PM
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Ontario Modification Legislation.. Please read

I got this off of another board, as enthusiasts you should have a look at this petition and sign it.

I'm not sure if any or all of you have seen this yet, but if you haven't please read and sign this!!!!
Basically, the government is trying to put in legislation to stop ANY aftermarket parts from being legal for any road use!
We have started an online petition for submission at the end of January to the government and leaders of the opposition at http://www.petitiononline.com/sect1722/petition.html . We have been working hard to contact the local and wider Ontario based owners and motorsports clubs in order to solicit their support, and their members support. We have also started speaking to our various club sponsor shops and dealerships in the Toronto area; we have asked other owner's clubs to get their preferred performance shops on this; we have joined the SEMA Action Network and sent them information on the legislation asking for their assistance in fighting this; we have been contacting Ontario manufacturers of performance parts, and now we ask for your support, as a responsible, legitimate business in Ontario, as enthusiasts for our sport, and as a retailer of parts threatened under this legislation. We would ask that you tell the government, your MPP, the Premier and the Minister of Transportation by personal letter what the loss of the Ontario market could mean to your firm, and other shops and manufacturers of these parts in Ontario.

I would like to hear more on your position on the issue at hand, and what you feel should be done to correct this impingement on our shared passion and your business, and thank you for your time and consideration on what is unfair and unjust legislation.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 12:53 PM
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I really can't beleive that the government is so nieve to beleive that the H.P parts caaue these deaths and what not. The drivers should be at fault not the consumers who buys the parts. I find it quite funny that they legalize drugs yet try to ban high performance parts. I am not trying to make a comparison for the most part, but it doesn't quite make sense. On another note...I read some of the other comments. Please people if this is to work, comments such as "I'll race all over you" don't help. I saw a few comments in ther that just disgusted me. Must be the "disrespectfull" street racers that make such stupid comments. If the government would allow more racing enviorments for us, then maybe we would do just what they ask of us, but by our own choice, and not a rule! This will be a very interesting topic here. Hopefully it stays professional and doesn't become a flame war though.

Excellent thread by the way, and thank you for bringing it to my attention.

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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 04:16 PM
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I had a brief look at the Road Safety Act - nice piece of work - would'nt have been out of place in National Socialist Germany circa 1936.

If a police officer believes you've been racing your license is suspended for 48 hours and your car is imponded for 48 hours. There is no appeal or judicial review available with respect to the foregoing - roadside justice - based on what? - race - socio-economic background - doing the lord's work or just keeping the riffraff down - who knows?

There is also a clause which states that the aforesaid suspensions are not a penalty - nice, that makes it all OK then - so what is an arbitrary license suspension exactly? - could cost you your job.

Expenses related to the towing and storage constitute a lien against the vehicle. In addition, they can remove and dispose of certain parts also at your expense. The cost of such removal and disposal will no doubt be at a premium and will also be a lien against the vehicle. So, your Baer brakes or whatever are confiscated and sold out the back door (remember the firearms that were turned in only to be resold by the officials in charge of collecting them) while what remains of the car is sold to discharge the said liens.

The legislation also containes provision for a maximum six month jail term.

In short, if someone doesn't like the look of you and your car - your're f'cked.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 12:18 PM
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Go and "sign" the online petition. Doing absolutely nothing now will only leave you PO'd and upset when your car gets impounded and modified by the cops later.

If you can't take the 20 seconds now- I for one don't wanna hear all the whining later...

DON'T be typical Canadians at this particular juncture and let the Ontario government do whatever the hell they want. Give 'em trouble now or we're all going to regret it later...
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 12:24 PM
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I'd sign it...but i'm in the states so my opinion counts for crap in Canada.
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Old Jan 1, 2003 | 06:10 PM
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by FruityOne
I'd sign it...but i'm in the states so my opinion counts for crap in Canada.

Lie and make up a Canadian address.
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 01:07 AM
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 11:37 AM
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The Ontario Legislature is adjurned till March 17.

This is the time when you should be giving your local
MPP a call or letter. Before March 17.

www.sema.org has some good info on lobbying government.
These types of law bills have been introduced in various U.S. states.
Some passed, some were sucessfully amended to tone it down
and some were killed.

According to SEMA's advice it takes a lot more than a petition
being read in the legislature to get a bill ammened. the first step is to get the support of your local MPP. This takes a personal call,letter or 10/15 minute meeting in his/her riding office to get him aware of your concern and possibily get his support.
This is the time when you will catch them in their local riding office.

The squeeky wheel gets greased.

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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 01:08 PM
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I suggest a gathering/meeting with local MPP's..

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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 01:41 PM
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Could do that - I think there's some Constitutional issues with the legislation but I hav'nt looked at it that closely yet.

There's a clause somewhere about it being not open to judicial review for a start. Before the government confiscates your property in the manner proposed under the legislation they should at least run it by a judge.
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by George
Could do that - I think there's some Constitutional issues with the legislation but I hav'nt looked at it that closely yet.

There's a clause somewhere about it being not open to judicial review for a start. Before the government confiscates your property in the manner proposed under the legislation they should at least run it by a judge.
And a little something about "class of people".....
Not very good language at all. this thing needs work....
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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I just signed it ..... wow right on .....i'm the 4195th sig !!!

This is just B.S ........ come people ......put your name down !!

The more people that sign it the better it will be for us all !!!


Mark

If you guys wanna do something for a meet ........I'm there .
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 03:32 PM
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LMAO - I know - my use of language is lousy - but I'm not sure that I understand your response.
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by George
LMAO - I know - my use of language is lousy - but I'm not sure that I understand your response.
It's the language in the bill.

Check it out yourself....

http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bil...on3/b241_e.htm
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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OK - got it - thanks. I'm doing about dozen things at once here and none of them too well.

I ran off a copy of Bill 241 and I already have a copy somewhere of the Safe Roads Act.

Do you know if the Regulations have been drafted yet because that's where the restrictions on particular items will be listed ie nitrous etc.
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 06:11 PM
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OK - got it - thanks. I'm doing about dozen things at once here and none of them too well.

I ran off a copy of Bill 241 and I already have a copy somewhere of the Safe Roads Act.

Do you know if the Regulations have been drafted yet because that's where the restrictions on particular items will be listed ie nitrous etc.
No idea. That's the scary part. Even if they are, they can/could be changed/ added to without and act of parliament at any time.

This proposed legislation is open to lots of potential enforcement policy abuse.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 11:02 PM
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Look up a few things in the Highway Traffic Act- a large number of things are left "open ended" or at least extremely vague- this way the Ministry of Transportation, the courts and law enforcement have a whole lot of leeway on HTA 'violations'. If there's no list of items- it's unlikely they will ever create one- just stick to a vague concept of any "modification from factory specs"- that way you can have your car destroyed due to your loud muffler and (more relevant to the point here-) your big mouth when talking to police. If you let people abuse something-they generally will, government, courts, cops- whatever, whoever...
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Old Jan 12, 2003 | 11:07 PM
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Decided to read Bill 241 completely last night. This is some seriously scary ****. Wording of it allows any cop who believes you were 'racing' to suspend your license and impound your car on the spot- with "no administrative review"- i.e. nothing you can do about it. The message here- if you and a cop don't get along so well at the side of the road- you could have your license and car removed for 48 hours- with absolutely NO recourse- other than going to court later to fight whatever ticket(s) you were given.

Definetly some nasty nasty stuff. Even if you don't have any mods on your vehicle- the above-mentioned part is disgusting all on it's own. This is definetly something people should be getting upset about.

I will be calling my local MPP tomorrow.

Want to know who your MPP is? Go to www.gov.on.ca and poke around a bit...
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Old Jan 13, 2003 | 05:14 PM
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Wow...

I'm sure glad that all of that has yet to come to Nfld.... but I am sure that if it gets passed in Ontario, other govts. will look at it as a sign that it's OK to do.

I know that the cops are cracking down harder on street racing down here...more than they use to...but I guess we don't have "aftermarket, modding" population base to give it the spotlight...

Scary stuff....
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