I called the shop that welded in my SFCs, talked to the owner.

He said it would cost about $300 Canadian, up here in Toronto, for a full installation of SFCs. He will make them, he will weld them, he will paint them, he will do everything.

The SFCs are tubular and made of the same material as rollcages are made, chromoly. They weld in the side and the back. Since some people have 2nd gens, some have 3rd, some have 4th, dual cats and some single, he will need to know this information before hand so he can't really provide measurements.

This guy runs a performance shop, really nice and honest guy. They have like 5 showroom dragcars for their company, even build engines and stuff like that. They have a hoist in their shop, all materials, blah blah blah.

He said if we get enough people I can talk to him about a group purchase. Let me know if you guys are interested.

 

A friend of mine still wants a set, I'll let him know. I just got sick of waiting and went ahead and got a set of Spohn's. Now I just gotta find someplace to put them on.

 

If you don't mind me asking how much did the spohn's end up costing you once all the customs and exchange crap was factored in?

 

on a side note, nice HIJACKED SIG PIC. lol.

im sure adam would appreciate that.

 

HAHAHA EASY BURNED AGAIN!!

 

who the hell is Adam?

 

What customs and exchange?

PM if you still need a hand...

 

I'll let u know soon as the Visa bill comes in

 

Alex man. Fill me in here..$300 for SFC made from Chromoly?? I don't think so, really dude. Chromoly tubbing cost $17 per foot! If he can really do them for $300 installed and made of Chromoly... As for Chromoly. It really isnt' a big difference on cars that only run 14-16 second 1/4 mile times. You save what 10 pounds, and it cost you a extra $150 easy for the materials alone, plus it has to be tig welded together too, not Mig..Tig! Which is more time consuming and more costly. Chromoly is good if your rich, and you have a 8 second car. "D.O.M." tubbing is not only more cost effeceint but stronger too. So what if these weigh 10lbs more then Chromoly ones. Don't eat a McDonalds for the week and you not only save the money on food, but the 10lbs less on your car. Sure it would be cool to say to people my SFC are made from Chromoly but not only is a waste of time , but money. SFC are used to strengthen the chasis, not make your car super light! But if this fella there in T.O. can do Chromoly SFC for $300 I would like to talk with him. Can you get me his # so I can call him please? I am still sticking with Rod at "Hardcore Hotrods"no matter what, but I am curious to speak with this fella you are talking about. Cause from my knowledge he would be loosing money doing SFC made from all Chromoly for under $400 even. Please dude post his # so others can speak with him..

Thanks,
Keiran

 

The place Alex speaks of is Canadian Speed and machine.

Greg
416 746 8999

I talked to him about having sfc's welded for my car and he got a look at my "issues" and addressed them.

The size is 1 7/8 inch thick chromemoly tubing. He's done this actually on a few Camaros and recommended that if I got any more exhaust work to do to do it before I get them in. He'll ensure that it'll make the frame rigid and one body. The sfc's can be done in a way to ensure ground clearance is not an issue, I saw a few pics of a red Z he had done, although they need a better camera he admits, but as it stands he does honest work and is not a matter for just saying you got sfc's.

 

haha guys i am only a messenger... so don't start flaming me and asking me a bunch of questions...

i met the welder at the shop at one of my camaro nights when i was cruising around with chevypower91 (benny).... he told me to call his shop and talk to his boss about my own sfcs that i needed welded. while i was there i was telling him that other shops wanted upwards of $300 to weld my sfcs in and the owner told me "that would be if they probably had to make the sfcs too, that's how much we charge for making/installation". Then when i saw you guys were looking for sfcs, I remembered this, called greg again, talk to him, and he told me the information.

What do I know: He's a very nice honest guy with many many many years of experience, and his professionalism is reflected in his shop and his work.

I am not going to get into an arguement about how it's impossible to do what he does at those prices, for I know jack**** when it comes to what type of metal is which and gauge and stuff like that. I am not trying to steal people from another deal either, seeing as how the only thing I'm doing is informing you guys of a better deal, that's all, and I won't see a pretty penny anyhow.

:lala:

 

Thanx for the information.


Edit:

Kaz - chrom/molly or not - if you do call this guy please don't give him the idea that he should be charging more.

 

Where you buying your tubing for that much?!?!?! That's crazy expensive. No matter what size you want(within reason as far as cars go) it shouldn't be costing you more than $10/foot



Wrong, you can run chromoly tubing that's about 65% the size of a DOM tube and it'll have the same strength. Chromoly actually weighs pretty much exactly the same as DOM... the only reason you save weight with Chromoly is becuase you can run a smaller sized tube and get the same strength so thats how you save weight.

The price Rod is charging is fair since he is custom fabricating the SFC's to each of or our cars, IMO.

 

Yeah - that is a fair price and $50 one way or another is no big deal. I just can't afford to spend a day down there.

 

Kaz is right... whether its DOM or chomoly isn't that big a deal for most of us. I dont plan on keeping this car as a street car for more than 3-5yrs. Will eventually get so much work and money into it that it'll become a roadrace or dragstrip car or all around weekend racer. Whatever way Im very serious about any modifications done to the car and if you want a solid job done and done right you're going to have to spend the extra bucks that normal guys would pay to have a normal job done. Fact being Rod's SFC's will be manderal bent .125 guage chromoly which is as good as it gets. Design of the SFC"s is pretty simple in itself and Rod's knowledge seems to be vastly beyond such an appliation so Im more than confident he knows what he's doing. Only other thing that really matters is the actual welding. I'll expect the welds to be Tig welded and not just tacked in or ran across clumsily. This I'm also very confident with going to Rod's shop as it looks as if he has more years of welding experience than I do actual living experience.

Anyway, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Especially in the world of speed and performance.

 

I'm getting it done locally for a few reasons, odds are I can't make it to any day you guys agree upon as I have a tight schedule that leaves me some fridays off.

Second, factor in gas and distance and that $50 savings is all the better. I was assured of the weld quality and the bends, as far as mandrel bending goes, that's an exhaust term and after some thought to it as I recall mandrel bending was used to save diameter within the exhaust tubing, it doesn't actually apply to a solid object which with a tube bending machine (or mandrel bending machine whatever you wish to call it) will still obtain the "mandrel" bend.

You get what you pay for that's true, but at $300 a pop with the experience this guy has, not as vast as Rod, but still a good amount considering its not by any stretch of the mind a cheap job, nor will it be of lesser quality. This comes down to a time and convience factor for some of us.

 

I apologize if I came across as a spaz lastnight Wasn't having the best of days and speedorama sucks large in London.

 

Now here is where some of you have gotten out of the "Pool with your ears plugged". Rods' SFC are NOT Chromoly. #1 they are made from DOM which is a NHRA approved material for making these cages to be SAFE!!! & STRONG!!! They do not get TIG welded either. "TIG" is not used on Roll Cage or SFC unless Chromoly is being used. Don't get me wrong Alex I am not trying to cut you down or anything. I just think that price is way off! But to each their own.

And George! No offence, but give your head a shake! Like I am going to call this guy and tell him he charges too little. Think about it!

Still doesn't matter to me. I am sticking with Rod. And the sale is final.

I have seen to much of this SFC crap on this board for the last 1.5 years and it is sickining, that almost NONE of you have them yet, but you all come up with some crap when a REAL deal is found. I'm fine with what ever any of you do, cause it's your cars, so you do whatever to them. But please don't mess around with a good deal for another that isn't going to pan out. If any of you want to get a custom to your car SFC that is "NHRA approved!!" Then get in touch with me. If you don't want to make the trip then go with this fella then. Doesn't matter, it's all good. I would just hate to see you guys that REALLY want your SFC, to not get them AGAIN cause something didn't pan out right..

It's all good and everyone has ther own opinion, some of those opinions have technical merrit, and some don't!

OH! And don't worry George I have no intentions of calling this guy.

 

not chromoly... I stand corrected than. Thought they were. Price is still totally fair however I'm gonna have to rethink my decision now.

EDIT: I'll have my decision made by the end of today.

 

Common here guys! Justin!. Man. re think what? No one told anyone that it was chromoley! Chromoley is a waste unless you have some 8 or 9 second car. Which No one here even comes close. This is why I am a bit disturbed with this counter post here. If this is going to turn out like that last F*^K up of a GP for those SFC last year, then who ever wants them then answer in the Sticky above to confirm only. I will not discuse this anymore. The info is there for all to read, decide on your own. I ask everyone nicely though. Don't waste Rod's or others time. I have been to Rods shop and see what he does and is capable of. You others that are sceptical about this will be sorry when the actuall discount has been put out to the public here. It is a considerable savings, and will only be offered to those who are serious. No more F*&%ing around everyone...You want them or you don't. Simple as that. If you decide to be stubborn and Hard headed about your decision then you weren't serious to begin with.

Chromoly Some of you really haven't got a clue. Go to the drag strip and see how many cars really use Chromoly. Not as many as you think, I can tell you that.

Justin I hope you don't need to reconsider your decision. The discount will be considerable.

But we don't have time to play with dreamers and know it alls. If you have never had a car with a cage or what not, and are just going by what you here, see or read. Then you can talk the talk, but...can you walk the walk.

Why is it that everything here has to be so difficult here??? I try my best to stay calm and be nice, but everyone seems to think they know everything about racing and motors, but when the sh*t hits the fan, most here fall to their knees and beg for help.

Guys/Girls please don't take anything I have said to heart! But what I have said is true! Who, out of all those in that big GP for SFC's last year actually got some?? Tell me..who?? That is what I thought. Not to many of you!

Please everyone. If you want a proper "NHRA approved" job. That is done buy someone who not only knows what he is doing, but is a Proven Professional! Then lets get the ball rolling. If you want to argue back and forth about who is who and what is what, then some of you will most likely miss out on a great job, and a better deal!

Thanks for listening, and sorry for any misconceptions. This is the way it is. And I don't have time to put a cherry on top of all this. Blunt and to the point, and no bad intention were meant to anyone.

Thanks,
Keiran

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone not to go with Rod, I'm just stating another option. Kaz, for all your statements it seems you are trying to do the opposite and cut down that other option. I'm not even trying to get a group purchase out. I just wanted to provide another option to Toronto members that are constrained when it comes to time like I do. I don't expect everyone to go and not get from Rod, actually I want your group purchase to go through. I just wish I could be a part of it, but as it stands with my schedule I had to find another option for myself. I already have my plans laid out for my car since last year. I'm just waiting for the money to come in.

 

Hey Rovic. I am not trying to stop anyone from going to this other fella at all. Just seems funny how it pops out a day after this one with Rod is put on the board. Go ahead, by all means go to the other guy. I am just a bit disappointed that we have a good thing going, and then others conflict that is all. It seems like everything here become a arguement.

No problems. I am a bit miffed cause a few of us have went out of our way to try to help everyone, and it gets all twisted. Please don't misunderstand what I am trying to do or say. It is very hard to properly express yourself over that internet like this. By all means go to this fella if you like, but I still don't think he is using chromoley. Out of all the people here, your opinion is one that I trust and respect. And I don't want you to take anything I have said the wrong way. But I also dispise comments like Georges. Like I am going to call this Greg guy and tell him his price is too low. Man that was one of the stupidest things I have read her to date!

Please everyone..do as you wish. After all it is your car. Just remeber that!

Thanks, and I don't want to argue anymore, I am getting a headache with this topic.

 

I'm not saying there's anything bad about this deal at all. Not a thing, its a great deal. But because it's not the material I swear someone had mentioned it was earlier I've come to my own reasons as to why it's the wrong deal for me. I dont need to get into it. Still a great deal, just not for me. I apologize for saying I was in and pulling out. Just not the right deal for me.

EDIT: BTW, I'm not going to easy' guy, just going to go my own route with them.

 

No problem I guess Justin. I knew this was going to happen! I give up. who ever is interested and isn't going to Fart around post it in the sticky. And for those who don't want it, don't respond! People. I will admitt I am very disappointed here...very disappointed indeed!

Sorry!
Keiran

 

I apologize to ya kaz, I feel bad. But I'm looking for something specific with my own goals in mind. Don't get so discouraged. It's only been a couple days and you already have 3 people in on the deal.

 

No problem Kaz, its just that I really wanted to get sfc's after my b-pillar showed signs of stress again after getting on the throttle. I have a decent paint job now and was into the whole group purchase just the time factor wasn't gonna work out for me. alex gave me another option and I'm taking it. I don't want anyone to be discouraged with your group purchase actually if you can get down there with the others I encourage it, its us helping each other. The tubing is chromemoly remarkably different feel to it compared to other metals, I know since I have rocker arms made of chromemoly.

 

So this Greg guy has told "YOU!" That in fact it is Chromemoly , and that it will be custom fit to your car, and that it will be welded completely to the floor to prevent stretch?? I still do not beleive that he can do Chromemoly for $300. Can you varify?? He is loosing money! He has to be. I just finished searching on the net about different SFC and different companies who supply them. Most made from Chromemoly are $200 US before tax, shipping and never mind install. None of use here are qualified to install these things. It takes alot of knowledge to get it right! And experience. No problem man. I just don't want any hard feelings in the end of all this. That's all. But so it be known. Not too many Roll Cages in the IHRA and the NHRA are Chromemoly. Most are DOM. Only the rich and super fast use Chromemoly. But do what ya have to.

Thanks,
Keiran

 

Kaz:

I wasn't suggesting that you would call this guy and tell him that his prices were too low.

However, a telephone conversation along the lines of your previous post in which you take issue with costs and materials etc. and then request a number so that you can contact him may have resulted in him rethinking his prices.

I was concerned that he would have picked up on that because you tend to say too much.

As for your more recent comments directed at me; I would answer by saying that I neither require your good will nor fear your hate.

 

So what you are saying is you assumed it may go wrong? "Assume" break it down , you've made a A.s.s out of U and me. Your comment was exactly as you worded it. I don't care what you think of me George. Your comment was made and I reacted. My good will is there for those who ask for it. As for fearing my Hate?? Well you have no reasons to fear me of anything, and I sure never said that I hated you??? All I said was to give your head a shake, that it was the stupidest thing I have heard to date, and that I was quite disappointed in your comments. Nothing about hate, nothing about fear. You've taken this one step further then it needed to be, but that is fine. Alot of your comments in the past have lead me to believe you are a talker and not a walker. No hard feelings, just a assumption gone wrong as useall with this board! Take it as you wish George...take it as you wish.

 

QUIT FIGHTING!!!!

 

Kaz, calm down... When it comes down to it you guys are talking about big pieces of tubing under your cars. Nothing to get stressed over. Just go grab a beer and relax (everyone else too).

As for the SFCs, I want a set myself but I doubt I can blow a few hours at least racking up that kind of mileage on my car to hopefully get a set made and installed, even if the work is amazing and the price is good. Hell I don't even want to drive it in the rain so setting a date in advance would be tricky at best. Not to mention a serious family issue over the next few months (dad's health problems) so who knows if I could even keep the date. Some of us have problems like these, right? Not all of us live next door.

Easy's guy may be a better option for me (and others, obviously). What we do to our cars is our business, weither we get what we say we want is our problem. Just relax...

 

Adam would be the Supra owner who's sig you bastardized. The blue supra that is now being hidden by your car.

 

ahahah it's all good

he's on some **** forum anyway

he'll never know :P

 

already does..

 

what should he care. lol

 

Does Adam own either the Ferarri or the house?? If not..who cares then!

 

Just figured you'd be somewhat original. the fact that people take and put time into getting a certain picture and designing something only to have some unimaginitive moron with no creative ability steal it, with no remorse or no repercussions is somewhat of a pain in the ***.

 

OK this has nothing to do with the post at hand so lets just stop here!

 

hahahah.....another fine example of Kaz taking things far too personally....hahahha


on a serious note: i am considering these subframe connectors from Hardcore. i know we dont have a firm number of people yet and what not, and i realize the discount wll be based on how many people decide to get the work done at hardcore, but does anyone have any ideas on what a "considerable discount" is? are we talking $50 or $100? or $25? does that original $350 include tax, or can we avoid tax if we pay cash?

thanks for the info guys

 

actually all the original signatures i make get me put on probation lol

they always have women in them.

and creative? pllllllease he stole it from the movie.

 

 

As of now the price is $350, cash, taxes in, whatever.

As for discount, you'll get info when you show up confirmed for an install. But I will say this. It's not a $5 - $20 discount. $350 is good enough for the parts and labour.

 

Don't forget everyone, these are for the SFC's at HardCore Hot Rods, which are actually the ones from the thread started by Daz