I drive a 84 with absoluly no emissions equipment on it whatsoever (minus hiflow cat). All the emissions stuff was yanked out prior to me buying the car. Whats the deal with Ontario's emmsions? I've heard 20 years and the car is no longer held by emission regulations. Is this true (I sure hope so). I really hope so as Drive Clean hasn't hit Belleville yet and my sticker comes up in September by which I can buy a 2 year sticker and put me into 20 years.

 

Ya you will be ok!! If you can still buy a 2 year sticker everything will be fine!! you don't have to worry about emissions.. 20 years and older you don't have to worry about it!!

 

thanks for the reply .. yeah!!!

now as long as drive clean stays away from Belleville till after September im set...

 

btw.. when do they consider it 20 years old? January 1st of the 20th year?

 

Good question.. knowing the MTO it probally goes to your birthday
just in case they can nabb you one last time!!

 

I thought it was 20yrs before 1999..so all cars from 79 has to go no matter how old your car is..I hope Im wrong though

Daz

 

I hope your wrong too ...

 

I believe it is 20 years from the current year. Only 6 more years before I'm exempt

Bob

 

I just went through this with my 83 Z. I bought it last year and had to have an e-test to get ownership transfer. I had to put a cat on it to get it to pass. When you get an e-test for the purpose of change of ownership, it is only good for 1 year. Since its an 83, it had to be done again this year. Now, my birthday is in August, but I wanted to tear the engine down now. luckily there is a change in the program effective Jan 02. When the e-test is done and the vehicle passes. the pass form is now good for a period of one year,from the date of the test,for renewal purposes or to transfer of ownership. So if you still follow me,My car is and 83,this is the last year it needs to be done,so... I got it e-tested in Jan, the pass is good for 1 year, my motor is torn down now, I can do anything I want to it now cause it doesn't have to be done again,and I will take the pass form in in August to renew the tags. Hope this helps,oh,and the 20 years is from the current year... 82 model year and lower are now exempt,as well as trucks and vans with a farm tag, which to me is a joke,and motorcycles are exempt also............. Bob

 

there are other ways around the etest hot rods and mod engines will fall into an other class as well as cars like pro street(there no way a pro street could pass) as well as all the people that put a 350 into a S10 or people that increase the displacements they all fall under diferent catagories. in the phone book(blue pages) there is a number for drive clean they will be the one who can help you the best i think that there is 3 different groups of etesting

 

so am I wrong or am I somewhat wrong?

Daz

 

There's some confusion about this and I wouldn't be too surprised if they change that bit about the 20 years exemption.

The Drive Clean site says after 20 years you don't have to be tested again. I spoke to someone yesterday who does the tests and he said the same thing.

However, I spoke to some guy a couple of weeks ago who said he was on some kind advisory committee and that the 20 year exemption would end and new cars would not have to be tested until they were 5 years old rather than the present three.

I'm concerned that this this guy might have been right because I downloaded the legislation current to Feb. 9, 2002 and a lot of sections have been revoked - meaning that there's changes on the way.

There's nothing in it about a 20 year exemption but without seeing the older versions of legislation there's no way to tell if that 20 year bit was ever actually there in the first place.

So if you you're planning to put a 350 in a 1983 car or something better do it now.

Also: Section 4(2) - A hot rod that receives a motor replacement on or after Jan. 1, 1999 shall receive a motot designed to meet emission standards at least as stringent as those acheived by the original motor and the replacement motor shall have the cat and all original emission control equipment or equivvalent replacements.

If you're going to download this stuff it's under the Environmental Protection Act not the HTA.

 

I can only post what I know about the program as it is RIGHT NOW- nt what will happen- I have no idea- but I do believe the government will dick this up even more than it is, such is their nature...

A car does 'cycle' forward on the emission test scheme as it ages: i.e. this is now 2002 so all 1982 cars should be exempt from testing- however- as someone mentioned above- if you just changed the ownership of the vehicle and the vehicle came from an area that already had emissions testing in place (i.e. a car that you bought from a Toronto resident and you are a Hamilton resident- both have emissions testing in place right now)- you either have to show their last emissions test if it is less than 6 months old (I think as of June 1, 2002 the tests are good for 1 year) or produce a new test before you can put plates on it. If you bought the car from someone that lived outside of current testing zones (i.e. like say Sault Ste. Marie) then no current/initial emissions test is required for the same 1982 vehicle.

If emissions is slated to be put in your area in the upcoming or current year and your vehicle will be one of the implementation program's 'selected model years' -i.e. in 2002 an 'odd model year' schedule is in effect (i.e. 1983, 1985, etc.) then you will only be allowed to get a one-year plate permit so you'll be forced to test the next year. However- if you have a 1983 car to register and its already 2002- you'll be forced to take one test before the car's age brings it under exemption the next year- if not right away- then by your birthday in 2002-i.e. they'll only give you a partial year's registration on that vehicle.

Also- while technically all your factory emissions stuff is supposed to be in place, even before a shop does a test (this has always been law- but nobody ever checked it unless a cop ordered you to appear for a safety check after you were pulled over- which I haven't heard of happening for the last 10 years)- only major things get most test facilities uptight-i.e. lack of a catalytic converter. But this depends on the shop- some guys are out to screw maximum dollars out of people's pockets and they have the 'right' to refuse doing an emissions test if they 'feel' the vehicle could 'damage' the test equipment. Translate this further, a pecker-head shop could claim that your lack of an EGR could cause excessive NOX to come out the tailpipe(s) and this could 'break' the test probe and therefore they must charge you $100.00 to install a new EGR before they will do an e-test.

If you have a car with modifications- which most shops translate into a totally different engine than was offered stock from the factory(i.e. a 350 in a 1984 Firebird that only had V6s and 305s available in it). Some shops will consider any engine change to be 'modified' if they're being nice- i.e. a pre-80 block with the dipstick on the driver side, or maybe a V8 in a car who's VIN indicates it had a V6 originally- but this is shop dependant. If they classify you as a modified or 'hot rod' then you have to meet the emissions requirements for the first/last year in the test cycle- i.e. in 2002 this would mean you have to meet the stats for a 1983 vehicle.

Problems? If you put a bigblock in your 1985 f-body. It's easily recognizable as being a 'modified' vehicle- but in 1983 (last year being tested in current cycle) there were no f-bodies with bigblocks- so how do you attempt to meet the specs for the closest equipped 1983 f-body? -i.e. a 305? If you're dealing with an inflexible shop- you're beat before you start. If you can find a shop that is willing to/or let you 'retune' during the test(s) you can get it to pass assuming its not in bad shape to start with. Basically- you're the mercy of the repair shop at that point.

Ways around testing? The initial test $200.00 cap for emissions related repairs, and the new $450.00 cap for following tests. I.e. if you fail miserably- buy a catalytic converter or an intake from the repair shop, and once they've installed it and billed you a couple hours labour- you'll be over the $450.00 cap. :hail: Then wait for your next test 2 years later (get the 2 year renewal) or wait 'em out so your vehicle falls outside of the testing program (i.e. 20 years+).

Note my signature- think I really love late 70s cars or something? Also note, my 87SS is sitting on blocks in a garage and is under construction for roughly the next 4-5 years (it does need alot of work- and I'm in NO hurry right now)...

 

has anyone ever tried that guarenteed to pass stuff? I've heard it work and also heard it hasn't.. Im curious if it would make a difference if I had to take the test. All that remains is a new hiflow cat for smog gear.. or would I just be toast from the get go..

 

Extremely doubtful that it has much effect. I have heard of people dumping a couple of gallons of methyl alcohol in their gas tanks to 'fool' the emissions test-it spits out pollutants that aren't measured by the testers and dilutes regular gasoline (that's why the 2 gallons- not just a few ounces from a bottle).


-Forgot something- leave your existing cat. on the car- get the test, fail it, then have these guys install the new cat (bring your purchase invoice with you) and you should get a 'conditional' or cap-limited ($200.00) pass.

 

does any one have an idea when the emission testing will be province wide? currently its only in some areas.

will some areas, like rural areas, never be tested? (this seems highly unlikely)

and does anyone know any shops that will pass you no matter what (possibley for a little extra cash on the side)?