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Please help before I kick the crap out of my 87 IROC!! * PART 2 *

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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 08:22 AM
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Please help before I kick the crap out of my 87 IROC!! * PART 2 *

Ok, well it's not the battery because all my electronics are in perfect working condition. No dimming when i try to crank the engine. I even took my battery out and tested it on a neighbors car and it cranked for him.

The engine does not turn over at all. It is silent. I need some serious help.........

Please guide me to a new direction.

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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 08:51 AM
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There is a fuse that goes directly to your starter from the battery. The fuse is under the hood, just behind your battery. The fuse is clipped to the top of your passenger side fender. This was the problem in my car twice, and the symptoms were exatly as you explained.

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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 09:00 AM
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Thanks, I will take a look at it when I get home. If this is not the case, you shall see part 3 tomorrow
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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 09:03 AM
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I read your old post. Here it is for anyone else interested: https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=147176

I have a very similar car and mine did the same thing one day in my driveway after a carwash. I would suggest testing the starter itself, that's what caused this condition on my car. There is good news in this post. First, testing it is easy as he11. I got this method straight form a chiltons manual: get under your car and give the solinoid (small cylinder on the starters side) on the starter (lower passenger side of engine block) a few moderate to heavy taps with a hammer. Then try to start your car. If it turns over after doing this, you need a new starter. If this is the case there is even more good news. A new starter is only like 25 bucks if you trade in your old one. There is some bad news though. Getting the starter out and the new one in is a mindbending challenge simmialr to a rubix cube. Mine came out without too much fuss, but to get it back in I had to compress the front passenger side suspension a bit to get it through. If you end up having to change yours out you'll know what I am talking about when you start to 'dig in'.

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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 09:10 AM
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well hopefully it's as easy as a fuse change

if not, I will have to get my fat *** under the car and start hammering away

thanks for the help guys
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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 09:46 AM
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I say starter because I think the fuse he is talking about goes to the fuel pump.

Had the same thing happen on my car.

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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 03:06 PM
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You are right it does go to the fuel pump, i screwed up
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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 08:53 PM
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Hitting the starter with a hammer isn't just for getting frustrations out. The reason you have to tap the starter with a hammer is because something inside eventually develops a "flat spot". By tapping on the starter, you are actually moving parts inside just a tad to where it'll work again. It's only a temporary "fix" and could fail on you the next time try to start the car.

Just thought I'd throw in a few words to somewhat explain the hammer on the starter thing.
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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 09:15 PM
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have you checked for spark? Maybe the ignition module has died on you. I've had very unfortunate luck with ignition modules (I can go through at least 3 in a year, and so I just replaced my distributor for an MSD one; hopefully it'll be the end of that). I say check for spark. That's where my money is at.
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Old Dec 4, 2002 | 10:46 PM
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it's either the starter, fusible link, neutral start switch or the ignition switch. more than likely it's the starter. do what the guys suggested above, tapping the starter. then try "jumping" the solenoid. since the battery tested ok do the following. get a piece of 12 guage wire and run it from where the "big nut"(large guage wire) is and jump it over the to the solenoid "little nut"(small guage wire). see what it does. if it does nothing then the starter is more than likely bad. if it cranks then the problem lies elsewhere. start looking at a fuseable link, neutral start switch, or ignition switch. report back with results. to help continue diagnosing the problem.

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Old Dec 5, 2002 | 07:04 AM
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can you please explain more about the neutral switch???

I have changed all of the above, distributor for an MSD one, ignition mod for an MSD one, wires, plugs............

I called the previous owner of the car and the starter is brand new. The engine only has 6000 miles on it. So what is this manual neutral switch???

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Old Dec 5, 2002 | 01:28 PM
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I think it's the switch that prevents you from starting the car unless you have the clutch pedal depressed.
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Old Dec 5, 2002 | 01:29 PM
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well how would that affect an automatic???
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Old Dec 5, 2002 | 01:32 PM
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have you checked for spark and/or fuel? You probably have, but reading back through the posts you didn't mention if you did or not, and those are part of the basic troubleshooting procedures... even if you did change most/all of the ignition components.
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Old Dec 5, 2002 | 01:48 PM
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The Neutral Safetey switch is located In the Center Console.

It will not let you start the car, Or Open the Hatch, Unless you are in Park or Neutral.

Its not likely this has failed. You need to Jumper the solenoid And see if the starter cranks before you get all involved in chasing other avenues.

KISS, Starters are notorious for going bad, fast. Its just the way it is with unskilled labor rebuilding Eletrical Components.
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Old Dec 5, 2002 | 02:01 PM
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Its not likely this has failed. You need to Jumper the solenoid And see if the starter cranks before you get all involved in chasing other avenues.

KISS, Starters are notorious for going bad, fast. Its just the way it is with unskilled labor rebuilding Eletrical Components.
that's what i've been trying to say. more than likely a "new" remaunfactured starter was installed and it has failed. all to common nowadays.
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Old Dec 5, 2002 | 02:36 PM
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anyone here tried any of the high torq, aftermarket mini-starters? I think that'd be the way to go. (bite the bullet)
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