ok, out of these brands, which one is the best?: BBK, holley, or lingenfelter?

finally getting rid of that darn sticky throttle body that's been plaguing me for 2 years. NO MORE!!!

 

Why not just clean/fix yours? And why in the world or you running premium gas?!?

 

i've had the TB cleaned like 10 times over and it still stuck. there's no hope for this stupid thing because i've even had it inspected just to have it come back to me with "there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it". so again, which one is better?

 

If it looks good on the bench (I assume cleaned means a breakdown and clean, not just some shlep spraying it with carb cleaner), you may be getting your linkage jammed somewhere, or have a possible kink. What exactly does it do?

But, as with the gas, it's your money so... just about any aftermarket piece is well made and of the three you mentioned I would take the cheapest bloody one.

Now I'm afraid to ask what size you are going to get.

 

i had a shop install this TB 2 years ago and it started sticking the very first day. i had to replace the TB before this one because the throttle return spring was broke and had an external spring to bring it back. i'm probably going to get another stock GM 48mm TB. there's less of a hastle, plus i can get those new runners i want with the the change left over.

i only use premium because that's the only type of gas that she works best with. to be specific i only use amaco ultimate (93 octane). i tried texaco one time when i was strapped for gas on the highway, wasn't so great, back fired alot too. then once i got back i filled up with amoco and thing were back to normal. it's one of those odd things.

don't be scared dude, unlike some uneducated people here, i know i don't need a 58mm TB that flows 1000 CFM and have to destroy my plenum to put it on.

breathe easy, friend lol

 

If your set on buying one then get the 52mm. the brands you mentioned are all good, BBK is Edelbrock if I am not mistaken. Lingenfelter is going to be the most expensive.:D

 

As for using Premium Gas in a 305 TPI engine, this is the GM Owners Manual recommendation. But again it is only recommended for BEST PERFORMANCE.

 

ok guys, i don't mean to put the pressure on things but i just went to my local GM dealer to order another GM throttle body and they told me they don't make them anymore. is that sick or what?? Gm's priorities are waaaay out of order in my opinion. anyways, i have to order a TB tonight so because i need to get things done before sept 3rd (school ). i have a few extremely important questions before i order it i really need your help now.

1) i'm most likely getting the holley TB. however, i heard that the bolts they give you to attatch it to the plenum are too short. is this true? do any of you have this TB? do you like it? does it perform well?

2)frankly, i heard the BBk TB is poorly made? is this true? does anyone have this TB and think otherwise?

3) i'm ordering the TB through JEGS because they have really good prices. have any of you used JEGS? were they helpful?

i'm counting on you guys :hail:

 

No, everyone on thirdgen.org orders through Summit. Report back and let the other 24,342 of us know how they are to deal with.

I like the Holley tb myself, but have also heard about the bolt issue. Personally, why not go to a junk yard and get one for $20 and spend a bit of time cleaning it and lubricating it? Infact, why not just spend some time and try and sort the one you have instaed of paying some monkey to do the job? The reason I do most things myself is because I feel others wouldn't do a satisfactory enough job.

But toi answer your question, I would go with the Holley if I was to buy one. I believe Jim85iroc has the Holley. I read a post a while back from him giving details of what the eact problem was with fitment.

 

hey dude, don't underestimate me like that. you think i like wasting my hard earned $$$ for some jerk to do something i can do as well? the only reason i did it was because i was at a loss of what to do next. how many times have people told me to clean the thing out. that was the first thing i did before i even posted any comments about the TB. like most people here, i like doing things myself so i can gain more knowledge and save money in the process. i'm not some dumb rich kid who cries to mommy and daddy when something goes on my car, i work work for a change...but on a lighter not thanks for the member referral

 

Hey GTAman i have the Holley 52mm TB on my car. It's a really nice item,high quality. The bolts that came with it were fine,bolted right into my super ram.. I'd stay away from the BBK. take a look on E Bay you might be able to get a brand new one there cheap.. Eric

 

I love my holley 58mm TB. Very nice billet cnc quality. The bolts fit fine for me, so I dont know what people are saying about the bolts being to short. I ordered mine through summit.

If you go with a 58mm, port match your upper TPI plenum to 58mm bores and grind out the EGR walls. If you dont feel like porting your plenum, then get the Holley 52mm TB.

The BBK TB is cast. The Holley is Billet CNC machined.

Here's mine:

 

you really dont need a TB. You could save yourself a lot of money if you go get a stock 48mm. hehe let that tb sit in a tub of diluted degreeser... that will unstick it. I guess you could get a new one, but in the best interests to save you money... get a used one off ebay.

 

wow, that holley looks real mean. holley it is then. the CNC machining is what i've been looking for, i don't want some inferior cast TB. i always knew holley was great (used carbs, awesome). after the TB, an alignment and ignition work (MSD style). thank you all for your help, i wish there was like a rating system on this thing i'd give you all points but oh well, you know who you are. peace!

 

dude, the tub-o-degreaser didn't work. and as for E-bay i've been jockying it for the last 3 months and i've found nothing. besides i don't like buying stuff off of e-bay, some people are jerks.

 

i may be kinda lait on posting on this subject but on the BBK 52mm, (which i own) i find to be pretty good, looks nice also has the built in air foil, so thats another plus, i really dont think you can go wrong with it, alot of people rag on Edelbrock, but when it comes down to it they do make really good stuff. heres a pic of mine, (old pic btw) the engine looks better now

 

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sydwayz, glad to see someone with a BBK TB giving some good feedback here. eventhough i already ordered the holley (it'll be here by tomorrow ) it does look good. i personally like edelbrock but i heard so much flack about their TB that i couldn't logically buy it.

as for your engine, it's better looking than mine (original dirt from all the years of service) lol

 

alright guys, i just got the TB in the mail today and boy does it look pretty!! anyways, before i install it i want to hear from people who did the instalation themselves so i know what to expect when i get down and dirty with this thing. besides openning up the TPS screw holes and the short screw rumors (mine look ok) is there anything else that i should know before tackling this installation?

 

yet again i am lait on replying, i aplogize. as far as instalation goes, its pretty much just a bolt on, very straight forward. you shouldent have any problems, if ya got any questions just pm me

 

hey SydwayzTA 86, can you post a pic of your complete Intake setup for me?

 

heres 1

 

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lets try number 3 again, hehe

 

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thats all the pics i got of the intake

 

I've had zero problems with my 52mm BBK/Edlebrock TB as well, aside from the bolt heads rusting that is. I found some stainless steel ones in my brother in laws garage & solved that.

 

Warning off topic


Is that the TGR cold air kit. If it is?

1: do you like it?

2: Did it give you much boost and about how much?

3: would you get it again.

Thanks

 

Well I had the day off, so I made this for my CAI (see pic)

I am imitating this cai but did it like you did, with a hole under the original air filter, and putting the air filter in the 6" hole in the top of my CAI. I am hoping to eventually block off the filter with some sort of box above it so it can only get air from below the car.

I paid $5.50 for the scoop, $4.50 for the black pipe, and $.68 in the mesh to defelct rocks, So I have $11 into the part in the pic. I am going to cut out my front spoiler and make this sit flush so it wont be very noticable

Im going to start a post to get any suggestions on what to watch out for...

 

nope i made my cai from parts i got at home depot and auto zone

but it is pretty much the exact same thing, and yeah it gave me a noticable amount of power

 

I like your idea about making a scoop type thing for the air filter, i've also thought of doing somthing of the sort, but when you say your going to cut the front spoile. are you meaning the air dam ? if so i wouldent recommend doing that, that is what directs the air to your radiator and cools it down. (assuming you have a firebird) got any pics of your car ?

 

like your idea about making a scoop type thing for the air filter, i've also thought of doing somthing of the sort, but when you say your going to cut the front spoile. are you meaning the air dam ? if so i wouldent recommend doing that, that is what directs the air to your radiator and cools it down. (assuming you have a firebird) got any pics of your car ?



I was thinking the same thing. It looks like a sweet mod at a good price though. That TGR system looks good but seems a little pricey for what you get.

being a 88 I have to add my MAF sensor. The idea of cuttiing a hole in metal makes me a little nervious.

 

I was nervous about cutting a hole at first also but i got feedback that it really doesnt do any damage, soon i plan on making somthing to give it a nice clean look, i also have a MAF i got a 86 t/a, didnt cause any problems

 

I've had many problems with my BBK and it ideling right. Yes I have a cam and heads and SR but it idles poor. I put back on the 48mm and it starts idles and drives 10* better.

 

did you adjust the screw to contol the idle?

 

SweetS10v8

When you get this CAI system all done, please posts some pics!

I think this is going to be on my list of things to do.

also, do you know the part # on the filter you put on? it might save me some searching.

 

you musta forgot to do sumthing bro, cause i have zero problems with mine, i love it, make sure the timing and your tb are agjusted correctly too

 

Yea. I have it set to 15 counts but with the BBK it bounces all around 07, 15, 24, 32, 02 Never stays at at a range. With the stock one, it idles at 12-15 counts. The IAC passages on the BBK suck

 

You can count on me! Allthough it might not be for a few weeks, I am moving from Michigan to Ohio this weekend. Then getting married on the 27th, so I dont think Ill have as much time with the car as I would like...I think Ill have to spend time with the WIFE ... AAHHHH....

My best man sums it up the best. "Your just giving up!! Its almost like your coaching a football team, and when you get the ball 1st and 10..... You call out the punt team because you know youve already lost, might as well speed up the process and punt now" LOL

 

hey guys, the new TB is in and lookin' good and performing like an ace. my bro told me it was a good thing i didn't do it myself because it took our friend a good 2 hours to do it O_o. the one part wher he had difficulty was getting the bolts out of the IAC. they had been soaked by anti-freeze for all this time that he had to be really careful when taking them out or they might snap in half. that plus, holley should have sent a gasket for the IAC as well. i wary as hell when it comes to reusing gaskets. but on the whole i'm really satisfied. after this it's an alignment, subframe connectors, HAWK break pads, and intake runners. BTW, does anyone know a good camshaft to use in a 5L TPI sbc?

thanks for all the help :hail:

 

interesting u have that problem, doesnt give me any issues

 

I'm clueless. I have never had a constant count. Sometimes wehn i start it up its idle 500-1600-800-1400-500-1300 -400-900-stalled. When it stalls the count is maxed out. Has did this ever since the superram. If I rev it also, it'll rev come down and die and the counts will be maxed out like it tried to help it. 600 RPM and put into gear it dies also.

 

Still have it?

Make sure the IAC housing is properly sealed. The bolts could be too long. Also, you didnt clean off the paint on the backside of the throttle bores did you? BBK was nice enough to leave the 'important' note out of my box about the paint, apparently it has to be there or it wont keep a steady idle and will stick open as well. Ask me how I know.

 

carb cleaner kindly took that off

 

Hmm.

Well, try throwing a thin coat of paint there. Just around the edges of the throttle plates is where it apparently needs to be.