Horsepower Numbers...this make sense?
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Horsepower Numbers...this make sense?
Ok...been running the moates software for a while. Basically looking at the power calculation code they are weight, distance over time (rwhp). I used a weight of 3800 lbs for my Firebird (3400+400 lbs of people (me and my buddy)). The horsepower numbers (average ) about 216. I basically took most of the higher RPM numbers and averaged them (numbers ranged from 200-229).
With a 20% driveline that's like 270 hp! That seems high based on my mods (cat back, slp runners, cai, custom prom (ARAP based). I don't even have headers. I was thinking stock 235, plus runners, cai, exhaust maybe I'd hit 255hp...
Best 0-60 time was 6.12.
What do you guys think?
There could be some engine mods here that I don't know about or maybe some calcuations are off somewhere (weight).
With a 20% driveline that's like 270 hp! That seems high based on my mods (cat back, slp runners, cai, custom prom (ARAP based). I don't even have headers. I was thinking stock 235, plus runners, cai, exhaust maybe I'd hit 255hp...
Best 0-60 time was 6.12.
What do you guys think?
There could be some engine mods here that I don't know about or maybe some calcuations are off somewhere (weight).
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Programs are programs...they don't usually take a lot of things into consideration...but give you a decent estimate on what you have.
Couple of things to also consider, I think the Bird is actually heavier than 3400...and with an auto tranny, you have more like 25% loss...ya...increases your engine's net HP...but like you say, you're not sure really what's in it.
Plus, there's the "Factory Freak" factor that a few SD L98's have that get's them high 13's, without too much work.
Best thing (and funnest too) is to take it to a track and see what it wil run...get it wieghed (most scalles will only charge a 6-pack since you don't need a "certified weight") and plug the numbers in to the many HP calculators on the web.
Couple of things to also consider, I think the Bird is actually heavier than 3400...and with an auto tranny, you have more like 25% loss...ya...increases your engine's net HP...but like you say, you're not sure really what's in it.
Plus, there's the "Factory Freak" factor that a few SD L98's have that get's them high 13's, without too much work.
Best thing (and funnest too) is to take it to a track and see what it wil run...get it wieghed (most scalles will only charge a 6-pack since you don't need a "certified weight") and plug the numbers in to the many HP calculators on the web.
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Originally posted by johnh
Yeah I thought that the weight was a little high..but that makes the hp numbers even higher...(I tried it in the Moates Software)..
Yeah I thought that the weight was a little high..but that makes the hp numbers even higher...(I tried it in the Moates Software)..
I think if you want real data then you should get it dynoed.
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Sorry about that..i wasn't clear...higher weight = higher HP, but I guess without the weight being accurate its hard to gauge...really just wondering how close it really is...even some of the newer devices like a g-tech rely on weight being accurate.
Eventually I will get it to a dyno and the track and I guess we will see....I'd love to get it weighed and dynoed and then check the program..I'll bet its pretty close +/- 5% when the weight is on...
I wanna got to the truck stop by my house and see if I can get an accurate weight...
Eventually I will get it to a dyno and the track and I guess we will see....I'd love to get it weighed and dynoed and then check the program..I'll bet its pretty close +/- 5% when the weight is on...
I wanna got to the truck stop by my house and see if I can get an accurate weight...
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Originally posted by 8Mike9
Plus, there's the "Factory Freak" factor that a few SD L98's have that get's them high 13's, without too much work.
Plus, there's the "Factory Freak" factor that a few SD L98's have that get's them high 13's, without too much work.
he ran 13.9x w/ it all day long in the heat....
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