What size Nitto's? I assume 245/50 if you have the stock rims still, that is a realy nice 60ft then with them!The best I have ever gotten is a 1.90 60ft with mine. Must be a SUPER sticky track where you run.

I was running high 13's at 100-103 before my SC with 2.05-2.19 60's with just exhaust and pulleys on my Mustang and some people thought it was a little fast for the mods as far as trap speed but it was cold out that night. I can see the MPH I guess since I was running close to that, but the 3700lbs seems like alot heavier than that car could possibly be.

 

You guys who are doubters are losers. Anybody who has ever been around drag racing knows that the whole 'combo' is what matters, not just a pile of expensive parts. When someone gets it right, you bash him just because you can't do it. I've been many 1.84 60ft's on street tires with stock suspension. Practice makes perfect. There is no excuse for not running at the track if you want a lower et. You have to learn how to drive an auto car just like a stick car. Proper shift points also. If you want to go fast, you can't go to the track once a year and expect to cut a good et. You need to be there every week putting your time in and finding out what works and doesn't work. We've all been there. Throwing money at a car doesn't make it faster. John Lingenfelter said 'It's all in the details'.

I wish I could find a stock car and prove that with a converter, gear and some free mods with some drag radials the car can run 12.99. I've seen guys run a 12.98 @ 98 mph before with torque gearing and a converter. ET is traction, gearing and time management.

Good job at the track dude.

 

Someone check that guys TC, for some reason a stock tranny and converter isnt giving me any ideas of it able to put down 1.84 60ft's then him saying it was a cold night and "couldnt hook up at all" and wheel hopping. i think there could have been some work done to that. so if you say you couldnt get traction and you probably expect a better 60ft than 1.84, i doubt anyone else runs a 1.70-1.80 on drag radials with a stock tc. just aint happenin

 

Torque converter is stock. I actually ran a 1.835 60' but couldn't post that timeslip cuz the ink on the timeslip was too faint to show up. The most i can stall the car up before it breaks loose or slides the front tires is 1200 rpm. the converter is very tight. my problem yesterday was that every time i tried to stall it up, it would wheel hop and spin. It was cloudy and about 50 yesterday, but track temps were 42. With a little heat in the track it should hook up better for a 1.79? or so. 1.83 was from dead idle.

 

Jayzee from 3go and a friend of mine cuts 1.8's with DR's and stock converter. Hes running 13.5 @ 103 with JUST slp 1 3/4 headers. Car also has 196K on it too. Its a freak of nature to watch it.

 

FREAK!

 

just thought id throw my mods n times in here to say i believe his time to be true. i have a l98 350 91 z28. no weight reduction at all and i weight 210 so figure what the car weighs( hardtop not ttop car) i have a stock botom end stock cam and stock heads. accel superram intake slp runners ported upper plenum stock tb w/ air foil. knn filters w/ ducts worked out, accel wires coil and distributor, ac delco rapid fire plugs,160 thermo, accel stage 2 chip. hooker headers n y pipe, flowmaster xhaust and the stock 3.23 posi rear. the tranny was built w/ all the good internal and a convertor for a 91 vette. i was told the stall was a lil bit higher for them when i bought it. my best time to date 13.5,here in the humid a** south of memphis motorsports park is a 13.7n i run it consistant just about everytime. when its really hot or humid 13.9's all day. if i had drag radials or stickies it would easily be low 13's. these times are all on street tires currently yokos and they are almost bald.

 

I think the key to his good times is being able to Hook with those 3.73 gears. That is giving him an unbelievable 60' and probably getting him about the best times he can get w/ the power he has. I dunno about another .15 to hit 12's though. Throw a converter in and get some slicks and see if you can hook it. Probably be your best chance. (Also, remove as much as you can w/o getting ridiculous - Spare/Jack/Rear Seats... Also, get a nice fiberglass hood save you 30-50lbs. Then you outta be damn close! hehe

Although, with the converter in you might throw yourself out of the powerband by the end of the track with the 3.73's and actually hurt yourself. You'll just have to see!

I think his car is just tuned perfect for the 1/4' Mile right now. Great job!

 

Here's my arguement on the subject :

My 91 GTA 350 TPI

Dyno:

225hp and 315torque at the wheels, smoking hot at the time

Mods:

24#SVO inj, slp catback, my own tuning(chip)

Track:

Horrible track and my gf driving, 14.40 at 94 with a 2.3(leaning towards 2.4)+ 60ft time and her letting off thru the traps.

That 60ft time shaved down to 2.0-2.1 would more than likely put my car into the 13's. If I had real traction that day , let alone slicks on the car, and hitting some 1.8 60's I would be a fair clip inot the 13's.

Same day when I drove the car, I was getting 97-98mph trap times consistently.

It was raining in the morning on the way to the track and we were lapping cars to help dry it and it was a baking july day with a 105 or 110 heat index after the rain stopped and the track dryed.

So, what he says is possible, especially if he can get that thing to seriously hook with those 3:73 in it.

later
Jeremy

 

Did you see the air temp at 42deg. 10deg cooler = 1% Increase in HP. Definetely not anything major, but say your normally at the drags in 80deg weather.

Running the exact same car in 40deg is worth a 4% Increase in power. In short = about 10hp in our cars. Not alot, but when your ET'ing every little bit helps.

 

MIR is a good track....
I 've heard of plenty of guys going to 75/80(poor track) then going to MIR and picking up a few tenths.
ITs a good time of the year to run too...TPI cars easily run a few tenths diffrent betwwen the summer heat and a cold fall/winter day...problem is the cold ground.
This is another setup using 3.73's that has picked up a few tenths,and I think in contrast to what people have been saying they work..I think everyone is worried about the top end too much and just need to focus on the perfect launch with TPI setups...something I 've been saying for a long time.
Assuming that Matt is being honest with his claims,which it sounds like he is..I think a coverter will put him in the 12's...with the idea weather/and traction of course.

 

EXACTLY!!!!

 

Good Work Matt! I got a 1989 Formula 350-Bone stock minus the cats, Stock muffler replaced with glasspack exiting thru the Stock Left Tailpipe.
Gonna replace plugs wires, cap, rotor, and air filter, check the timing and run her. Then it will be time to start modding.
Hopefully soon I can post some "Freak" times. I am gonna work with the car to get maximum ET and MPH out of it.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GTA matt

Quote:

Get a 3000 stall and say hello 12's

Thats what i'm saying

Oh, and i went with the edelbrocks because they were the only headers that i was 100% sure would work with duel converters. I'm sure other companies make them, but i challenge anybody to feel the difference in power from one header to another. People on TGO seem to be stuck on Hooker.

I went from the Edelbrock TES headers to the SLP Tri-Y headers on my 305TPI engine in my 91 Camaro. It was worth .2 tenths and 1mph. 13.8x at 100mph to 13.6x 101mph. All within 1 week and temps were almost identical. If I would have known back then what I know now....that 305 would have easily been 13.2's with the exact same mods. I do miss that little engine.

Matt, nice times with the car. I do believe your car can run the times. There are a few C4's out there running times like this and I have seen a few 3rdgens run low 13's with similar mods as well.

 

Well then I stand corrected. does SLP make those headers for duel converter cars? 2 tenths would be nice.....

 

sure do, I have SLPs with dual cats.

 

Oh, so where were your 2 tenths on Sunday? J/K
I'll have to do some research then.

 

hummm

 

they got lost in all the my rubber on the track

 

Bottom line is that the times are possible with what he has done. It's also possible there's some mods he doesn't know about, and he can't prove otherwise.

Either scenario is possible, so there's no need to argue about it.

 

hey, I live in Prince Frederick (when not in college), guess I better not try to run you then, lol

 

:ImWithStupid:

 

It appears you smilie isn't workin.

 

i think it was intentional

 

Well, since you and I aren't adding anything productive, we'll leave it at "intentional".

 

The Tri-y's were discontinued several years ago and they just discontinued all of the dual cat headers.

 

Please delete this post, Thanks!!!!!

 

I seriously need to visit MIR.... I've got tons of mods and don't even break 13's......

BTW, TunedPort 335 I wouldn't brag about that burnout unless it has slicks on it. My car will do that anytime, anywhere in first gear without powerbreaking it like you did. I'm running Dunlop SP Sport 8000 tires with an Auburn gear limited slip and 3.42 gearing. I have to go half throttle off the line and then nail it, and that's if the track is sticky.... I'm lucky to pull a 2.00 0-60 but I match your trap speeds. I've backed the timing off from 16* (ZZ4) to 10* and added a 2800 rpm 9.5" converter since last time to track perhaps that will help, but nothing much will help 105* days in Bakersfield, Ca. the converter should help a lot if I go back up with the timing to regain some top end pull. With 3.42's I was only going through the traps at 4500 rpm in third. Man would I love to try a set of slicks!!!!!!!

Some of the other mods are Edelbrock manifold, runners, 52MM TB, hedman headers with a 3" cutout in front of the catalytic converter, ZZ4 cam, 30# injectors (added since last time to the track), SR Torquers with 2.02/1.60 that have been pocket ported, roller rockers. I have a Prominator now so I should be able to fine tune things a lot more....

 

[QUOTE]Some of the other mods are Edelbrock manifold, runners, 58MM TB, hedman headers with a 3" cutout in front of the catalytic converter, ZZ4 cam, 30# injectors (added since last time to the track), SR Torquers with 2.02/1.60 that have been pocket ported, roller rockers. I have a Prominator now so I should be able to fine tune things a lot more....

I seriously don't think a 14 second car needs a 58mm TB and 30# injectors. That $600 could have been spent elsewhere...like on some slicks. Just my

 

if Matt is running the times with the mods he is claiming it very impressive. I am turning very similar times with stock cam, stock heads,stock bottom end no power adder(mods. in sig.). but i do have more boltons then Matt. I ran a 13.21@104.62 in Sept. of 03. I think the Temp was in the low 70's. Since I have added afew mods but they just closed the only track within a 150 miles so I guess i'll be looking for a trailer soon.

 

U know, here are two things I know for a fact.

Our cars are pig rich in upper rpm ranges.

I havent seen an example that also doesnt knock at some point going down the strip.

I have a wideband 02 setup and make all runs datalogged.

Someone ever tried to back down the timingto say the stock 6* a TPI is supposed to be at and tried a run?(even try going down to 4* and make a run, u might be suprised)

What about turning down the fuel pressure slightly, maybe try and make it a little leaner? Cranking it up just makes a rich pig richer on the top end.

Yes I have put this to the test, my vehicles do run more consistently and with greatly reduced amounts of knock compared to the stock settings. Suprise I also do this with less amounts of fuel on the top end as well.

Prom tuning isnt rocket science, just more or less simple math and figuring out how an engine works is easy. Thats half the battle, then u just have to work that into what u are trying to accomplish and whether your car is rich or lean and/or knocking , etc.

this isnt the best example but like I mentioned above:

dyno w/ engine smoking hot:
225hp at the wheels
315ft lb

115(friend says pic of t-meter was 117) heat index

14.40 w/ a horrid 2.3+ 60ft and I was consistently trapping 97-98 mph when I was driving.

stock eng, w/ 24#svo and catback with my own tuning

Just a couple thoughts for u guys to munch on and try and get a few more tenths out your combinations.

later
Jeremy

 

When i set the fuel pressure, I did some research , and found that the optimum setting is when the o2 is reading 830 to 860 Mv at WOT. my fuel pressure was bumped from the stock 38 at idle to 42.

At one point last year, I tried playing with timing. It has been set at 8 for the last 3 years. I bumped it to 10 (not a huge change but...) and that made it ping at the top of 2nd. Throttle response was improved a little. It didn't help that it was a very hot, humid day when i tried this though. It is now back at 8.

I may try again this weekend while it is still cool outside. I don't think a 2-4 degree bump will put it into the 12's, but i'll see what i can pick up.

 

Yeah, tune that bitch!!! I think what's hurting you is the tune for sure. You should not be running near that much advance. If your familiar w/ the Super AUJP use that as a starting BIN and set your timing to 4deg. Let the cpu do the rest .

That 2800 ought to help you out alot for sure. Check your BLM's those 30lbers might be alittle big and you might need to pull some fuel. Good luck!!!

 

Dude i dont know if you're just kidding or what your trying to prove, but when did i brag about my burnout vid?

For one thing , thats 2nd gear with 2.73s. And literally was hundreds of feet and i let out of it.

Second, i sure as hell hope your car can "do a better burnout" and "match my trap speeds". You have a 350, ported aftermarket heads, TB, completely modded intake, your cam is wayy bigger than mine, your heads flow ALOT more, your injectors are bigger, and you have roller rockers. All that work to your 350 and you trap 98mph? Im sorry

Now, i hope you do realize my car has BONE STOCK untouched plenum/tb/runners/intake, stock 19lb injectors, stock unported LB9 heads with 1.84/1.50 valves, and 2.73s. Oh and i have stock rockers. With my 2.73s i barely hit 3rd when I go thru the traps.. your point?

If i mis-understood your point then I'm sorry but your post comes off WAY to cocky.

If not, i'd be glad to smoke your built 350

 

tunedports car will blow sideways at 25mph in drive by nailin it.

 

I should hope that with a built 350 his car can spin tires. Anybody can spin tires, its the ones that actually know what they're doing and can hook up that actually get the bragging rights. Cool vid TP335. BTW Dunlop tires SUCK, hard as a rock.

 

Matt your car is nuts i cant beleive your sig pic. Do you have AIM? Hit me up sometime on AIM TunedPort 335


BTW what are your goals with your car

 

Goals for car are to get into the 12's with stock heads, cam, ect., just because people say it ain't possible. I'm bulletproofing my trans in a few weeks and installing a custom built torque converter. I've already bulletproofed the rear for the power I want to add.

Probably by this fall i will have the money to do the motor. I plan on using a ZZ4 shortblock. I've already talked to TPIS about heads and cam. They make a "big mouth" kit with their intake and runners, AFR's ZZ409 cam and chip. Supposed to be 430hp. With the bolt ons i already have i figure 450-460 hp. I plan to run 11's with this just because the guy at TPIS said it wasn't possible without NOS. I didn't tell him what the car already does .

All of this while leaving the outside and inside stock. Complete with gold honeycomb wheels

Oh, and just for grins, next year I plan on some BOOST!

 

thats awesome keep us updated

 

personally i liked the video. car doesnt seem to be that loud either. i live in the woods but not enough to go do a burn out down the road. what were you running for tires to get the 1.74 60ft. my tps was F'ed up on my car(basically not even on the car) and i ran 3.27 gears with 28inch slicks and i pulled a 1.76 60ft. i got some 3.70's and 26inch slicks, i should be able to get it better. i need to get some weight transfer like matt has. dammmmn!

 

With the 1.74 i had on 26x9.5x15 Hoosier Quick Time pros, and at the time i had my stock LCA's. Pretty much stock suspension except for KYB shocks/struts and a STB.

I'm sure you could get low 1.7s or 1.6s with ease now that you have the smaller slicks.

 

I have way more power in my car and I can't even get a launch like that with standard shift and a 2500 launch on drag radials. I can't see a stock geared stock stall speed car launching like that.

 

i should be running the bottom of the 12's this year when the track opens but not 100% sure on anything right now. i still have a few issues to work out. what stall TC do you have?

 

Not sure on the exact stall speed, but it is around 3000-3200. The highest i can brake stall it is 2500 before it spins the tires. Then it flashes to around 32-3400 and goes.


Chevy Eater- What kind of DR's do you have? Have you tried launching at a higher rpm? 2500 doesn't sound like much with a 5spd car. I'm sure with some cheater slicks you could cut your 60's down.

 

I'm not doubting your times, but you must go to a pretty sticky track if you're lifting your front end with BFG KDW's.

 

I have Nitto 550R 245/50 16 on the stock wheels with 15psi in them. I have tried everything and the best 60ft I can get is with a 2500rpm launch...and I have to kinda slip it a little off the line. Anything over 2500 and I am just spinning like crazy. I have the stock 3.27 gears still and all stock suspension. If I keep the car I'll try some other tires maybe to get a better 60ft than a 1.90.

 

Yea...that is pretty strange to say the least, it must be like actual glue there to do that on regular tires...

 

MIR is no stickier than any other track I have been to. Last summer, I went to visit a friend in Missouri, and I went to Kansas City International Raceway. Quite possibly the worst track i have ever seen. It was in the middle of july, 100*, and humid. I ran low 1.90 60' spinning slightly. My E.T. was only about a 10th off what i was running in MD in cooler weather.

I attribute the hard launch to good throttle control and the MASSIVE torque my car make right off idle. I let one of my friends race it because i wanted to see how high the nose lifted, but he ended up spinning until forever, so not just anybody can get in and do that.

 

Tuned Port 335: Personally, I truly did think you were trying to brag about your burnout, but I'm not trying to start a flame war here. Video shows way different than being in person does...

BTW, I have very soft Dunlops!!!! They run about $180 each installed at Discount tires. They along with Four Day tires are easily the cheapest places in town.... I'm lucky to get 10K out of these tires albeit that has a lot to do with how I drive. If you want to talk hard tires, try a standard T/A radial. I can get 15 -20 feet of rubber in 3rd gear with those. With the Dunlops I get broken ring and pinions in the second to third shift. The new coverter looks like it will stop that problem..... unless I get some slicks!

Made a change to my post above to reflect I actually have a 52MM TB not a 58MM, sorry for the typo.... I believe my mods section to the left shows a 52MM as well. the 52MM TB cured the 2/3 shift bog most people with 85 computers have. The thirty pound injectors were me hunting for what was causing this thing to run so crappy. I had 50K on the 24# injectors so I gave it a shot... Didn't help. I was able to change the injector size in the bin file due to a PROMinator and TunerPro. The car was running a TPIS chip before the PROMinator. I had someone copy the bin file for me and that's what I'm running. Yes it is running very rich, but it was with the 24# injectors as well. I am going to try to do some data logging during Easter week. I have to get my heated O2 sensor in and a set of hotter plugs before I do that, probably happen the same week. I just have so little time to mess with things these days.

The timing at 16* made the car pull hard to 5500 and hold flat to 5750. However, the car didn't start pulling extremely hard until 4500 rpm. I think I would have to go to 3.73's if I really wanted to run this timing in the quarter as I spend way too much time in third gear. As it stands currently, in street form (exhaust capped) and the timing at 10* the car only pulls to 5200 rpm. I need to change the springs in my governor because it currently is set up to shift at 5500..... I have a B&M ratchet shifter so I can shift wherever I want at the track and not overshift.

BTW, Tuned Port 335. I really do like your car!!!!! It looks great and it obviously runs great!!!! I would love for you to come out to Bakersfield and smoke my car. I would like to see a success story like yours in person. Just a thought though, a lot of guys from Pomona (sea level and cool) bring their "mid 13 second" 305 cars to Bakersfield and barely make the high 14's Sorry track, but it's all I got....... Hopefully with some tuning my 3900# car/driver combo will be in the 12's, then maybe I will have something to brag about.

 

Do you weigh 500 pounds, cause my friends 91 RS wheighed 3400 without him in it, nothing removed. My pontiac is the heaviest third gen they make, 3700 with me in it.