Stumble after cold start and at high speed
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Car: 1989 Camaro Iroc-Z
Engine: 5.7 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Stumble after cold start and at high speed
My '89 with the 5.7 tpi has had a problem a few years now where when I start the car cold, it'll sometimes stumble and lose almost all power when I put it in drive and go to drive off. Weirdly, it doesn't do it until I touch the throttle in drive, it'll always rev happily in park and idle just fine in drive. Once I get going, it stops doing it. Though it will also sometimes feel like it's missing at full throttle at higher speeds. Everything I can test seems fine, resistances look good on the TPS, fuel pump is new, new plugs, wires, cap, and rotor, new ignition coil. Injectors were replaced.
I've heard the MAF can be an issue, but reported symptoms don't match mine. The TPS is suspect if it didn't have good readings. I have heard the coolant temperature sensor can be an issue, but my gauge reads just fine. No vacuum leaks can be found either, and I've checked everywhere. Any other ideas? The car runs great outside of these specific circumstances.
I've heard the MAF can be an issue, but reported symptoms don't match mine. The TPS is suspect if it didn't have good readings. I have heard the coolant temperature sensor can be an issue, but my gauge reads just fine. No vacuum leaks can be found either, and I've checked everywhere. Any other ideas? The car runs great outside of these specific circumstances.
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Re: Stumble after cold start and at high speed
Test or check the pickup coil and regular coil? MAF can cause issues to. Do you happen to have a service manual?
You're looking for voltages on the tps, nice clean sweep/ increase
You're looking for voltages on the tps, nice clean sweep/ increase
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Re: Stumble after cold start and at high speed
My '89 with the 5.7 tpi has had a problem a few years now where when I start the car cold, it'll sometimes stumble and lose almost all power when I put it in drive and go to drive off. Weirdly, it doesn't do it until I touch the throttle in drive, it'll always rev happily in park and idle just fine in drive. Once I get going, it stops doing it. Though it will also sometimes feel like it's missing at full throttle at higher speeds. Everything I can test seems fine, resistances look good on the TPS, fuel pump is new, new plugs, wires, cap, and rotor, new ignition coil. Injectors were replaced.
I've heard the MAF can be an issue, but reported symptoms don't match mine. The TPS is suspect if it didn't have good readings. I have heard the coolant temperature sensor can be an issue, but my gauge reads just fine. No vacuum leaks can be found either, and I've checked everywhere. Any other ideas? The car runs great outside of these specific circumstances.
I've heard the MAF can be an issue, but reported symptoms don't match mine. The TPS is suspect if it didn't have good readings. I have heard the coolant temperature sensor can be an issue, but my gauge reads just fine. No vacuum leaks can be found either, and I've checked everywhere. Any other ideas? The car runs great outside of these specific circumstances.
Personally I let an engine run for 30 seconds or so when it is cold before putting it into gear and driving away. When I am driving away I use fairly light throttle until it warms up. Don't beat on a cold engine if you want it to live a decent life.
I have not looked at a MAF setup but the Speed Density setups do not command timing advance until the coolant is over about 110F. The retarded ignition timing, combined with the over rich air/fuel and the air being blown into the manifolds heats the exhaust and thus cat like a blow torch would to get it working as quickly as possible. The engine runs super lethargically while this is occuring.
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From: Ventura, Ca
Car: 1989 Camaro Iroc-Z
Engine: 5.7 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Re: Stumble after cold start and at high speed
I haven't checked the pickup coil, I'll add it to the list. I still have the Haynes manual but the original books were thrown out or stolen by a mechanic when my brother had the car for a while. As I said, I checked the TPS and it's fine. MAF is basically always suspect, as I understand.
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From: Ventura, Ca
Car: 1989 Camaro Iroc-Z
Engine: 5.7 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Re: Stumble after cold start and at high speed
The gauge and ECM have different sending units.
Personally I let an engine run for 30 seconds or so when it is cold before putting it into gear and driving away. When I am driving away I use fairly light throttle until it warms up. Don't beat on a cold engine if you want it to live a decent life.
I have not looked at a MAF setup but the Speed Density setups do not command timing advance until the coolant is over about 110F. The retarded ignition timing, combined with the over rich air/fuel and the air being blown into the manifolds heats the exhaust and thus cat like a blow torch would to get it working as quickly as possible. The engine runs super lethargically while this is occuring.
Personally I let an engine run for 30 seconds or so when it is cold before putting it into gear and driving away. When I am driving away I use fairly light throttle until it warms up. Don't beat on a cold engine if you want it to live a decent life.
I have not looked at a MAF setup but the Speed Density setups do not command timing advance until the coolant is over about 110F. The retarded ignition timing, combined with the over rich air/fuel and the air being blown into the manifolds heats the exhaust and thus cat like a blow torch would to get it working as quickly as possible. The engine runs super lethargically while this is occuring.
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