I was just wondering if anyone had installed one of these trans in a 3rd gen Camaro. If so what all has to be done? I am sure a new bellhousing, crossmember, driveshaft, and modding the trans tunnel for the shifter. But I was just wonder how difficult it would be to install one? Thanks

 

it should bolt to a Lakewood scattersheild, or at least i'm sure there is one available. you could probably modify a spohn torque arm to fit, since it moves the torque arm mount to the crossmember not the tranny tail shaft. the shifter install will probably require some cutting but that should be easy. I would bet on a different driveshaft length. clutches should not be an issue, the only other hurdle wil be the speedo which i would think can be remedied by the aftermarket.

I have always wanted a G-Force, since i was a teenager. I wanted to put one in a 69. can you imagine 700 hp and clutchless upshifts??? bullit proof too.

 

I know I have a mustang with a Jerico 4 speed and I love the transmission. It's the only way I would have it. I am helping a buddy with his camaro and was wondering how much work it would be to swap that type of trans into it. I was alittle concered about the torque arm but then remember about the ones that have the crossmember. The car has a Turbo 400 in it know but he wants a manual trans later on and we are going to try and pump the power through this thing. How much do you think a car would pick up my just switching to a Manual trans?

 

Look in to the Tremec TKO

 

i want a jerico 5 speed road race tranny....but i dont have 6000 bucks for a damn tranny

 

Are you wanting to road race your car or drag race it? Why not buy a 4 speed with the road race sliders for a hell of alot cheaper. If you gear the car probably you don't need the 5 gear.

 

its a drag car, and a 5 speed is much more friendly on the street.....no way a 4 speed is gonna cut it on the highway with 4.10's

 

If you are going to drag race the car you don't want a road race version of the jerico and if you want a 5 speed I was use G-force. You can get them for around $5000 in any gear ratio. The shifter for the road race version is completly different then the drag race version. It is an H pattern shifter and would be very difficult to shift at the drag strip. If you drag race a car and are serious about it you are going to give up some of the comforts. And a 4 speed would be better then a 3 speed auto on the highway.

 

my tremec 5 speed has a .64 overdrive 5th gear and cruises at 100mph at about 3300 rpm. thats not gonna happen with a 4 speed, cause you cant get as favorable a ratio spread

1st: 3.27
2nd 1.98
3rd 1.34
4th 1.00
5th 0.64

this trans is also an h pattern and i do pretty well driving it at the strip. this is a street car however, and does see quite a bit of time on the road. so the H pattern deal isn a problem. thats why the road race trans would be a good choice because it would perform well, and it would drive nice on the road

 

I know the Tremec has an H-pattern but the Jerico is going to have a shifter like Nascar. And I know all about the Tremec's gear ratios. I talked to Jerico several times and talked toa guy that deals alot with Jericos about the H-pattern shifter and the road race sliders and everything else about them before I bought one for my mustang. All of them said the road race version is not as strong and the drag race version and not ideal for drag racing. My car is also a street car but I don't drive it that much. But it sounds like your car is driven alot and you might be better off with the road race slidders and the h-pattern shifter but I will stick with my drag race version. If you could only hear the car when I shift. I never touch the clutch and yank the gears at 8000rpm. It sounds like a 4 speed auto.

 

ok 383 im not gonna try to hold a man away from his dreams for his car but sometimes u gotta choose, if u want a fast car or a slower car and be able to drive it more. lots of really fast cars are driven on the street, but it depends on what u can live with and what u want. me personally i would rather be faster. and i can deal with excessive rpms and loud trans (as ina jerico) and loud fuel pumps i love that stuff and it doesnt bother me. but i cant tell u what to do or not. but i think if i were u i would stick with the 4 spd. it would be faster. but thats what i live for. to be faster but to each his own. my car isnt the fastest but i drive it everyday and its a nice lil street car toy. now i have a th400 and im puttin some 3.73s in it this week. and im still gonna drive it everyday. i start school next month and ill drive it there. right now the thing has a 3.08 gear single traction and it will run mid 12s. its still got all stock suspension. its all motor and it doesnt have high compression. the th400 is just a temp thing till i get out of school. then i will upgrade to the jerico 4spd. without the weinie H pattern. so by then u might not even be able to see my tail lights. and mine only has about 3 grand in the motor. but again 383 im not talkin ****, i can sacrifice for a fast street car. maybe u should think about it.

 

im calling major

if you were making that kind of power, your not gonna run 12's on stock suspension...especially with a 3.08 ...thats ludicrous.

i dont know about that one, ive heard that story before many times and its yet to be true. good things are to come this spring as well

also, a 4 speed is not what makes a tranny, its the ratio spread thats important.....in the tremec you only use 5th at high speed cruising on the highway....its a .64 overdrive...it will bog anyplace else. The tremec has basically a 4 speed ratio spread with an overdrive at the end. Its like having a great 4 speed trans with an overdrive gear.

in any case, if you've seen my car or read my signature you would know that we arent talking about a 16 second v6 grocery getter here either.

to the valid point.....i know the road race is not as strong as the drag race....but when jerico says that the drag version is stronger, they are more than likely thinking about massive massive power. with 500-700 hp i doubt youd have any problem dragging the road race tranny. Besides it would be much nicer to drive on the road that way. this car is in no way a compromise......it would just perform better all around with the road race as opposed to the drag race tranny.

 

The TKO is a great street tranny, it will log many thousands of miles without any quirks like many "racing" transmissions. It is just as streetable as a T5. I don't understand the whole H pattern problem. If you drive your car on the street for any other reason than going for a ride, you should have an H pattern. I can shift pretty damb quick when i'm racing too. I barelt touch the clutch. There may be better trannys for specific applications but for 2000 bucks its hard to beat the TKO. I always wanted a G-Force 5 speed but at 6000 bucks reality steps in.

 

ok first of all i think its funny u think im full of **** but i can only hope that i see u at a drag strip some time. off the line my car aint got **** bc of the gear and the suspension and it dont got no big stall but once it starts twistin its all she wrote. but we'll see. like i said man im not tryin to hold u away from the dream or tell u how to build ur car. but the my buddy got his jerico for like 1200 bucks. brand new. and when its all said and done with it hes got about 2 grand or so in it i believe and last time i looked the damn tko was like 2000. so im sayin it depends on what u want i would feel safer with the bullet proof jerico. now back to the car thing. i would put my motor up against urs anytime u want. its smaller, out of the box ****, low comp. no crazy cam, nuttin fancy now i like ur set up and i think its got potential but however i think sumthin is wrong somewhere. im not sure where. and everything i ever read about u peeps try to give u advice and u already know everything so why bother. and what kind of exhaust set up is that? what is ur 1/8 times. i got a buddy with a mustang yes a mustang but its nice. this car the valve covers have never been off thats how stock it is. its got a gear and exhaust still got all the accerssories, and its got 220,000 miles on it and it runs 8.14 in the 1/8. but im sure u wont believe it either but when we come by u maybe u can catch a glimpse at us.

 

laiky, I know the Tremec is a very good transmission and would be prefered for a true street car. But my question did not ask about a tremec transmission I asked about a Jerico or G-force. This car is a race car that is driven on the street. I am a person that does not care about AC, power steering or power brakes, I want the car to go fast. I have a daily driver that has all my comforts. The only thing is you will never have an high 8 or low 9 sec car with a Tremec. It just want hold up. I know of one car that when 9.0@150 but he carried 3 or 4 backup trans with him. I want a trans that will hold up for a while to the abuse that I am going to give it.

383, about midnight's car out running your I don't know because I don't know his combo. Sometimes you don't have to spend alot of money to go fast it's the parts that you decide to run and the tuning you do. But I am sure you already know that. But I do think your car will run very well once you change whatever you are going to change and get it tuned right. I will just stick with my little 310 with a blower and be happy with my 8 sec pass @ 155+.

 

it runs mid 12's now.....i dont see it getting any slower man...sorry to disappoint you

 

last time i checked there was no jerico trans that was even in the neighborhood of 1200 bucks brand new.

you cant expect people to believe your car can move like that with the specs you listed. maybe it does.....but im my experience cars setup like that dont, and ones driven by people that claim they do are even slower.

so whats the motor? why does it have low compression? why would you want low compression? (unless you have a blower) i just dont see it happening.

i really dont care what your car does...but the way you talk about it, seems like you really arent telling something or you just dont know what your talkin about.

thats the problem here.....there are 2 kinds of people when it comes to car enthusiasts, people who know everything(im guilty here, as are most of us) and liars

 

ok ill admit im not tellin all the specs. but thats what its got done to it but im not givin specs. bc its just a well thought out combo. bigger isnt better its what works better together. it has low comp bc i drive it everyday. everywhere i go its the only car i have and im no where near rich and i cant afford race gas. and no it has no blower ive told u it was all motor. and i know what im talkin about thats why my car runs better and has a hella lot less money in it than urs and its the exact same car. looks like urs except it aint got ur cowl hood or those chrome *** tips. and i dont care about ur car either. but u started all of this. if u notice the original topic posted said has anyone installed a jerico or a g-force. not what kind of tranny do u want and how much is it. cry me a damn river.

 

p.s. 383 just think all that and it aint got a nice gear yet

 

Buddy I don't want to disappoint you but your car does not run mid 12's. It says it runs 12.70 and .70's are consider high 12's. Just to be honest I think your whole combo suck. You have all this high dollar stuff and it runs like ****. If I had a combo like yours it better run high 10's on the motor. I know you say it needs 4.10 gear but I don't think it is going to help you out as much as you think.

Also some of the fastest cars I have seen don't have **** done to them. These guy know how to tune there cars to get every once of power. If someone looked at you combo then your times they would say you did not know what you were doing. So please don't go around saying people are liars and don't know what they are saying or doing. Because you never know when that person will know more then you and you might need some advice from them later in life. I hope your car runs like you say it's going too.

 

if your running 8's there aren't many choices for a stick. Even if you run a jericho or a Gforce you will still be buying replacement units. Sticks, at that level will require a lot of maintenance. I know of TKO's going 10's reliably but i'll admit 8's are probably out of its capabilities. I think a G-Force or a jericho is at its limit at that speed. even if you buy a Lenco it will need plenty of work to stay reliable going 8's. Regardless of how you do it it will be expensive and require a lot of work. That said, i told you all i know about installing one in an F- Body. Good luck, keep us posted because i still want a G-Force and would love to know just how strong they are.

 

Oh yeah, you remarkable fast super tuners, why don't you just scan some time slips and post them??

 

I think he means it runs 12's in the 1/8 mile.

Either that or we have another Desktop Dyno 2000 or G-Tech dreamer..."my car runs 11's!!" (cough) on G-Tech (cough)

Post a timeslip.

 

My motor has 11.3:1 compression and it runs on 92 octane quite well. i drive the car almost every day through the spring summer and fall as well. If you cant get a car to run higher compression on pump gas then you dont know what your doing.

i didnt start anything, you did by obviously lying. people that are say things like "im not telling all my specs" or, its secret or whatever when they are talking about a whole motor are either dumb and dont know what it is, or they're lying. otherwise there would be no reason to do that.

do you think this is the first time some moron showed up on a message board and said...my car runs 12's with stock suspension on a motor im not gonna talk about and specs that i dont want anyone to know about? cause it happens every day, and its always

hmmm chrome *** tips.....thats cool cause they're attached to the dual 3 inch exhaust and flowtech warlock mufflers and my hooker super comp headers.

 

thats because you dont know anything about the car. I dont care how good anyone is or claims to be, your not going to completely understand a combination unless you know every spec, and have seen it run or driven it.

that statement alone shows that you know very little about the importance of matching gearing to camshafts and heads.

Im sure you drive a bone stock car that runs 10's on pump gas with street tires though, so you know what goin on.

i work on blown alcohol motors, i know what im doing

 

oh and by the way, you can get faster for a little money in some cases.....but after a certain point its all about money.

speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?

 

I am tried of bitching back and forth. I hope you get your car to run what you want it too. I don't blame someone for not giving out engine specs. I keep my cam specs and cylinder head spec to myself. I also see that you want give your cam specs either. Good luck with your car.

 

Oh I know speed cost money. But check out the PRO Series Cheap Street Class. I know these cars are class build but they fly. They don't have crazy parts. They have a rule in that class at the end of a race if you win someone can come up to you and buy your long block for $3000.

laiky, I know at that power level the trans needs attention very often. I have the trans rebuilt after a certain amount of pass. I also send the pressure plate off to be freshen up and I always buy a new disc. Some people just look at things different. Some people want a street car/race car and some people want a race car/street car. Also Thanks for all the info that you gave me. I will try to keep you posted of the progress.

 

92 i dont want to get into a flame war with you, because i havent had a problem with you ever before....

the cheap street deal is cool.....but i think you'll find that those guys spend alot more money than is obvious. You cant go building an engine that costs 100K in parts, because of the claimer provision. However, im sure there is thousands upon thousands spent on trying different parts and combos and dyno time to get the most out of what they have. There is really no form of high level pro, or near pro racing that isnt extremely expensive. We're currently trying to get a major sponsor for our truck so we can get either a hemi, or a nasty keith black chevy....we need like 30K, no fun.

i didnt give out my cam specs over there, but if someone asks me i will (ive given them out on other threads for other things too) but you have to understand what im saying.

I dont see a need to keep things secret, cause if someone wants info on stuff i think its part of the car entusiast hobby to help them out. anyways, i tried to go to jerico's site, but it was down....does anyone know what the actual prices of the different trannies is?

 

I know that any type of heads up racing is expensive. It take big money to get into it and big money to stay on top. I hope that you can get a sponser for your truck so you can stay competive. I also think the cheap street deal is very cool and I am sure these guys test and change combo's all the time. If you ever start to class race your car and start to win you will start to keep you combo secert. You can tell some people cam lift and cylinder head flow number and they will be happy. But some people like to know every little detail and that is not going to happen and I'm one of those people. I just keep the real detailed info to myself. Good luck again

 

from the doug herbert catalog
drag race 4 speedclutch type 2679.99
drag race 4 speedclutch type rev 4 4199.99
drag race 4 speed clutchless 3399.99

hey just cause i'm an antagonist, how fast do you think i run??
check the sig for specs.

 

whoops my sig got wiped out

 

first off 383 im not ****in lieing bring ur **** to the track and well see. its a secret bc i dont want idiots like u building a cheap fast motor. and number two i build my motor. if u know so much how come u didnt build ur motor. oh nevermind, its still together. im glad u love those tips but just to let u know my super comp headers go into dual 3 inch exhaust with ultra flow welded mufflers dumping on the asphalt. and its got better clearance than urs. i guess u think ur cool cause u got 3 inch exhaust. my buddy has a 95 camaro with dual 4 inch exhaust. and i know u wont believe this either but its a street car too. and guess what yes its faster than urs too. it runs 5.56 in the 1/8. so whats ur 1/8 mile times. so what blown alcohol team do u work for. and why in the hell is urs running 12.70's?? if u know so much. now i know im not the smartest in the world and i dont claim to be like u do. but uve got a nice car with potential but it dont run like it should at all. and i understand it may need some tunning and a gear. but that gear aint gonna get u a good time for that thing still. u just act like ur the shiz engine builder and u got nuttin to show for. and for laiky i dont post the time slips the same reason there aint a pic of my car on here i dont got a scanner. im not the richest in the world im sorry. and laiky do u need a 4.10 too. lol. u sound like u got a nice motor just a burning ? why a 3.27 gear. to each his own good luck with them.

 

laiky, I also have a few ?'s buggin me why the qjet and the Performer RPM intake and the 3.27 gears oh and the most important why the 383? Why build a 383 if you can't get the supporting stuff to go along with it. I bet that baby makes a **** load of torque. I know you might want the gears for gas milage but you have 5 speed. I don't have any idea what your car would run in the 1/4 mile. I can't even make a guess unless I have every spec on the engine like compression, cam specs etc, etc. I have worked on just about any type of car. But I prefer mustang because that is what I have. I have just started working on the newer camaros and the camaro guys all seem to thing bigger is better. What do you want it to run? I know what my car will run I don't have to ask.

Kevinc, I don't use the Desk Dyno program. I only use the the real engine dyno. Well what does your car run? I have a 1992 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6 that will proably outrun you. How does a 7.9 in 1/8 sound out of a V6 is has a little shot of nitrous. Oh and this is my tow vechicle And if that want out run you I will just pull the mustang out and I know it will. Oh the 12 sec 1/8 pass I will save that for my go cart. Why bother with a car if it wont run 11's in the 1/4 it's just a waste of time.

 

"why a 3.27 gear. to each his own good luck with them."

i drive 25 plus miles each way back and forth to work everyday, so when i'm not in traffic it cruises really nice. also The TKO has a 3.27 first gear. Since my car is a street/race car i run highperformance street radials and since can spin them roling thru first second and third i really don't see any benfit from steeper gears, if i ran slicks or drag radials perhaps but i don't get to the track too often and i prefer to run in street trim.

I really hate how these posts turn into arguments, but i have to say if your going to keep your incredibly fast and cheap car a secret as well as your time slips you probably shouldn't talk so much about how fast it is. I have a really quick 69 camaro too you see, i only have 5000 in the whole car and it'll smoke yours cause you don't know how to tune or drive it like i do. No i don't have any pics or slips, and i won't tell you about what is in it cause if i did you would build one too and i want mine to be the fastest. Kind of defeats the purpose of these boards, we generally try to help one another by sharing our experience not by taking information that we need and keeping secrets

 

"laiky, I also have a few ?'s buggin me why the qjet and the Performer RPM intake and the 3.27 gears oh and the most important why the 383?"

mY car passes NYS emissions. thats why the q jet. The RPM is because keeping with the emissions theme i started with a performer egr but if wouldn't rev really well, so i went bigger and ca always fall back to the EGR if i can't pass. why not 3.27's? first of all i do have a very torquey motor, i can pull 5th from about 1000 rpm. I have a 3.27 first gear. its like a 700r4 running 3.55's. why a 383? again why not? its a street motor, it makes more torque than a 350 ( all else being equal) i didn't want to rev past 6000 rpm in the first place so i get more power with less RPM. Chevy guys like bigger because we can, its cheaper to build a 350/383/406 than a ford 302 so why not??

 

from the top of the motor:
HO dual snorkel air cleaner
comp Q-Jet ( 700-750 cfm)
performer RPM
AFR 190's (68 cc )
9.85 compression
224/230 comp hyd roller 112 lobe center ( approx 5.50 lift i forget exactly)
1.6 magnum roller rockers
KB hypereutectics (flat tops)
eagle 5140 SIR rods
eagle cast steel 3.75 stroke crank
4 bolt block with main studs
slp 1 3/4" headers
slp 3" cat back
dynomax high flow cat or test pipe ( i have both)
3.27 9 bolt

 

92 camaro, i see your point....from the organized racing standpoint where you need to work within the rules that makes total sense to keep your tricks a secret.

and as for how much those jerico's cost thats what i thought, lol those things are alot of money.

and as for this midnight camaro dude, my exhaust cost 200 bucks not including headers and mufflers, and its all welded. i could have gone over the axle and f*cked around with it, but it took about 3 hours to do that exhaust start to finish and the clearance isnt too bad. not bad for 200 bucks and few hours.

the blown alcohol team i work for is the boston big shot/towasaurus wrex monster truck racing team.

its a 482ci 8-71 blown methanol injected chevy, makes about 1500hp (which isnt enough in this game lol)

Here a pic of me with the truck at nazareth PA for a ProMT event in october. If anyone wants to see or here more about the truck, just ask. i have tons of pics, and we just built a new chassis which is getting a 1946 chevy towtruck body. (I hate the ford body anyways hehe, i hope the bigfoot guys dont see this)

 

well 383 my exhaust was $160 dollars exact. 3 inch pipe i already had the headers on and the mufflers with me. so i dont think thats a bad price either. and it took an hour. but anyways if u like it thats cool. but as many times as i have had my gas tank out id rather not have my exhaust under it. so i dumped in in front of the rearend. but sorry to jump down ur throat sometimes, but u had caught me on a bad day then i just stayed mad. i see where ur comin from but i just wanted u to see my point of view. and my motor is real and im kiddin about it. i just dont like giving specs bc i want to get into the race thing and there are to many copy cats around here. not really yall or on this site but where i live. and i just dont want to start seeing a lot of combos like mine. i know it aint the best and i should have done somethings diff. but i think i did good for my first motor. and i planned this thing forever and closely thought about parts and i was on a tight budget too so. so how did u get a job on that montser truck team. thats cool **** but its kinda far from drag racin aint it.

 

Somone told me the Jerico 4 Speed was stronger than the old "muncie Rock crusher", (which i have sitting around in my shed), and now im curious is it really? Should i dump this muncie and get a Jerico? I Really really want a 4 speed in my car now.

And...
That dude 383 is always calling BS. lol im sorry 383 but you are. you think im all BS with my blown 355 running 12's on <b>stock suspension</b>, heh. yeah street tires too! but we all know blowers are cheating right? I've posted just about EVERYTHING about my engine/car, so theres no info you CANT find about it.


Here, Take a look:
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=144692


So now no one can say im "hiding" details. If anyone wants to call BS on MY combo then feel free. Say, can anyone explain why I have $12000 invested and only run 12's? I thought that $3000 meant 12's... but somone mentioned they had <b>"all that money invested and high dollar stuff"</b> and still ran 12's? Say, Did i do somthing wrong?

LoL this thread is a trip. whoever thinks $$$ = 1/4 mile times needs to rethink their theory. I spent $12,000 So i could have the best of both worlds, not so i could run at the track. If i wanted to go fast THAT bad I would gut my car till there was nothing left, Add a T-brake, some slicks, and crank the boost up till it blew. yeah. And it wouldnt cost me a DIME (cause I got all that stuff sittin round')

 

kingtalon trying to start another flame.....your a f*cktard.........go turn up your timing to 50 degrees with your blower. what an
****pirate.

a jerico is also wayyyyyy stronger than a muncie. that might have something to do with why they cost thousands of dollars