whoo WHO I just found a 4spd out of a 82 Camaro!!!!

going to pick it up tomorrow. I hear the center console are different from auto to stick. do they mean THE whole upper console, or just the shifter panel, the one the ashtrays attached to?

 

usually it's just the shifter plate...what year console is this going into??? and your putting this on your LT1??? J/w

 

for now yes its a step in the direction of a T56, its going in an 84 camaro

 

then yes...you just need the shifter plate for the swap. How much is the set up?? Just wondering cause for the T56 your going to need everything all over again just about...the pedals and the tranny at least.

 

It's not "a step in the direction" of a T-56. About the only thing that you will re-use, is the shifter and clutch rod holes.

If it's a Saginaw :barf:, don't bother. If it's a T-10, it's highly sought after.

My advice would be, if what you REALLY want is a T-56, buy a T-56; and forget about the 4-speed. Even if it turns out to be a T-10. Futzing with the other trans will just be a giant waste of time and money accomplishing nothing.

Saginaw :barf: = cast-iron case, 3 shift levers in cover

T-10 = aluminum case with cast-iron cover, 2 shift levers in cover and 1 in extension housing

There's a thread on here somewhere where I posted links to ebay auctions, with pics, for each trans. Search on my userID and the words "Saginaw", "Muncie", and "T-10".

{edit} Here ya go... http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tr...w-4-speed.html If you're lucky, the pics are still there, to look at.

{edit again} Looks like the message board is fornicated again, with respect to links to itself.... if you click on it, it will just screw up.... copy and paste the link address into your browser, and delete everything before the second "http://www.thirdgen...." that appears in it, before trying to use it.

 

guys I know what Imdoing Im going to use thebellhosig clutch setup and everything how?? with an adapter (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TREME...spagenameZWDVW) with the adaptor all I will need to change over is the actual tranny and the cross member

 

Come back and tell us all about how great that is AFTER that guy already has your money, and you get your T-56 and see the REAL reason why the 4-speed setup was just a wrong-way left-turn detour down a dirt road, through the weeds, and into the lake.

 

what are you talking about?

whats so wrong with the 4spds

and are the 4spd crossmember differebt than the 700R4s?

 

Nothing is "wrong with the 4-speeds", except that the Saginaw is a complete POS; and that the entire setup - you DO need THE ENTIRE SETUP, only ONE TINY PIECE renders it altogether useless, and most of it is long since discontinued from GM - is completely different from every other manual setup for these cars.

Yes the crossmember is different. Doesn't even go in the same place.

There's evidently LOTS of things you don't know about these things yet.

 

grr!!! I just want Information NOT your Opinion!!! and I know I don't know everything, I'm not a know-it-all like some people, but I did know I needed the whole setup. I had a Simple Question thats all

I HAVE the whole setup cept the crossmember Ill go back and get it Monday

 

That's what message boards are for!!

Let us know how it works out.

 

anyone have a picture of a camaro 4spd shifter plate and/or console?

 

Found out today that its a /Borg Warner Super T-10. Will I need another Driveshaft If so will one out of an 82 Auto work? Will the crossmember out of an 82 Auto work for this swap, or do I need the one out of a manual only? they look very similar.

 

 

thank you very much!!! wanna sell it lol

 

You don't particularly want that one... it's for a Saginaw, the shift pattern doesn't match yours. And, it's missing the leather boot.

The T-5 one is exactly the same, except again, the little badge with the shift pattern is different. Just pick one of those up at your local boneyard.

Don't expect to get lucky, and someone with a T-10 setup to be willing to bust up a perfectly good assembly, to take out that piece for you. Be nice if it happens, but it probably won't. Kind of like going to the junkyard and finding a complete front cap for some kind of car that's REALLY hard to find in useable shape and sought-after, and asking them to sell you ONE piece of headlight trim or something from it.... won't happen.

Shouldn't be too hard to go to one of those places that makes labels, like for office doors or something; and have them make something that you can stick on top of whatever shift pattern label you end up with.

 

I tried to in the classifieds but no one wanted it
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so I should be looking for a 5 speed shifter plate? It's the same as a T-10? except of course the pattern

 

Yes they are the same.

Compare 82's 4-spd one to T-5 ones in the classifieds or on ebay or something.

Pics on the Internet are your friend.

 

I tried extensivly to find a pic of a 82 4spd console, no luck. thats why I asked here
now are the drive shafts the same or do I need to get the one out of an 82 only? are the T-10s shorter than the 700R4?

do the 200Rs and the 4spds use the same Crossmember

 

The consoles in Camaros from 82-92 are basicaly the same and the shift plates are basically the same as far as fitment? I know you can't swap the boots because the boot frame is a different size but the plates should swap.

 

Look at pics. 82 posted his, that's your 82 right there.

I can tell you though, there is no difference between what he posted, and a T-5 one.

I can also tell you, a T-5 one fits a T-56 PERFECTLY. I'd do that AHELLUVALOT sooner than I'd fool around with some old 4-speed. Oh wait... I already did. Never mind, don't have to worry about it any more. I now have basically the same 1 2 & 3 ratios as a T-10, PLUS I have a .73 and a .5 OD. What a deal! What a country!!!

The boots are the same, the console is the same, the console top is the same.

Drive shaft is the same length between the 200C and the T-10, but I'm not sure about the yoke (splines & main shaft diameter may be different, but I don't think so). You can look em up anywhere that sells em and see if they use different part #s, or descriptions.

 

I get it dude, you dislike MY CHOICE in Trannies ok?

now contrary to what you may believe this isn't a forum just for you to shoot your mouth off about what YOU think should be in everyones else's Car (or is it just me?). its a Central location for Information on 3rd gens!!

I ask a question someone who knows the answer post it. It saves time.
not all of us sit on the couch all day.

 

Hey, just following your lead here. I wasn't the one that brought it up.

I've had more 4-speeds in my own cars than you've probably ever seen, and rebuilt even more than that for other people (my late little bro and I had a lively business going doing that for a few years in the 70s and early 80s); so let's not get into what I "like". I think you're making a mistake, based on YOUR STATED GOAL, in your own words. I'm dreadfully sorry if you made some kind of mistake there, but I can't go back and undo it for you though.

But back to topic... Look at pics. They'll tell you all about what the various parts that interchange are. The way these cars work, the stick shift shifters all come through the floor within an inch or so of the same place; so the same giant square hole in the console, and the same flexy leather boot, work the same for all of them. No need in getting mad at me over it if you're already second-guessing your decision. I didn't make it for you.

 

Im not worried about the shifter plate so much anymore, but i thought the 4 spd shifter came out to side of the tunnel not the center like the others.

My question is about the driveshafts

 

well, I got the DriveShaft, it was longer, only about a inch and a half but yeah.

the Crossmember looked identical to mine so I don't see them being different

now my only worry is the Torque arm

 

UPDATE: I've had the 4spd in for about 2 months its great I had to buy a new Torque arm. I went with the jegster becasue it seemed more heavy duty than the Spohn one. Its shorter which supposedly helps the rearend connect better. My main reason for the new Torque arm is to take it off the Tranny.

the mechanical Clutch is really nice I like feeling it engage and I feel more connected to the car

I got a 5spd Shiftplate and a little Carb cleaner erased the erroneous shift pattern. I Don't really need to know the shift pattern and if someone did need to Drive my car Id rather them ask than see the pattern and assume its right

 

I just read this whole thread tonight. I have to agree with the other guys about putting the 4 speed in your car. Of course I guess you don't want "opinions". I wonder if you knew how big of a pain in the *** it was going to be to put that thing in there, if you still would have done it. I think the biggest point that should have been made is that you would save alot of money with a t5 in there with gas where its at, plus if you did put a T5 in there, you actualy could use the hydrolic cluth pedals and stuff when you went to a t56. I know about the 4 speed because at one time I had a 82 camaro 4 speed in my car, and it sucked. The mechanical clutch linkage contantly needed adjustment, it sucked gas, and the linkage for the shifter sucked too. Plus I had to make the tourqe arm longer, and it was heavy as hell - compared to a t5. Anyway, I guess I'm writing hear becuase I wonder if they would have explained a little more thoughly how much youd have to change...the point is, Getting other peoples opionions is what its all about. If someone is telling you something sucks, then find out why, there's probly a good reason. You could have taken the money you spent buying that torque arm and got a used t5.

 

I don't mind opinions. but thats not why I created the thread. I already new I was going with the 4 spd and I'm happy with it still.

It all went in Quite Smoothly. I'm trying to think of a hiccup or two in the whole project but other than a rubber boot I couldn't find I had no big hassles


LOL I do not and did not build my car for fuel economy. one of the reasons I went with the 4 sped is because of the mechanical Clutch setup. As for the T56 swap, I'm not 100% sure I still want to do that But, I have planned it out and if I do all i will have to swap out is the actual transmission

the T-5 won't hold up to much more than stock Hp but, even if I did go with the T-5 I still would have gone with a new Torque arm so I could get it off the Transmission