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Old Apr 28, 2014 | 04:03 PM
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700r4 no lockup

hello,

I have an 86 trans am with a 350tpi setup and a 700r4 trans.

My torque converter never lock up.

If I turn the key. I have 12V on the A pin of the trans connector.

but if I try to send 12v on the A pin and ground on the B pin, no noise in the trans. I tried too to send 12v on the A pin and ground on the D pin, nothing too...

What do you think I should do to test...

thanks for your help

Marc
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Old Apr 28, 2014 | 07:15 PM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

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My torque converter never lock up.

I have 12V on the A pin of the trans connector.
but if I try to send 12v on the A pin and ground on the B pin, no noise in the trans.
Solenoid or internal wiring to it would be suspect
If you are not seeing 12V on the tan/ black with 12V in on A then it is a internal problem ,have to drop the trans pan to investigate further
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Old Apr 29, 2014 | 03:57 PM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

Originally Posted by vetteoz
Solenoid or internal wiring to it would be suspect
If you are not seeing 12V on the tan/ black with 12V in on A then it is a internal problem ,have to drop the trans pan to investigate further
thanks for your answer.

I suspect my solenoid... but my transmission just has 2000miles, it is a summitracing 700r4.

Is the click of the solenoid really audible as I put 12V on the A pin and ground on the B pin ?

I ordered an ALDL cable to be able to check if my ecm send the information.

thanks for your help

Marc
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Old Apr 29, 2014 | 05:15 PM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

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I ordered an ALDL cable to be able to check if my ecm send the information.
Won't help
If you don't have 12V coming out then the ECM can do nothing
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Old Apr 30, 2014 | 01:47 AM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

Ok, but how does it work.

There are 3 pins. A with 12V, B and D.

Which one send the information to the ECM for 3 or 4 gear.

Which one will have a ground for the solenoid ?

How can I test the solenoid (engine not running), due to the fact there is a pressure switch in the transmission ?

Thanks for your help

Marc
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Old Apr 30, 2014 | 10:26 AM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

Hello,

I just checked, if I send 12V on the A pin (pink), I find nothing on the D pin ( tan /black), but I find 12V on the B pin (green).

I tried to send 12V on the A pin (pink) and ground on the B pin (green), maybe I had a small click once... not sure...

I tried to send 12V on the B pin (green) and ground on the A pin (pink)... I think it was a bad idea, I had a short circuit, my test cable didn't like !
After I retried to send 12V on A, and I still found 12V on B ! I retried to send 12V on A and grount B, and another short circuit...
I may have kill something !

thanks

Marc
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Old Apr 30, 2014 | 06:29 PM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

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I tried to send 12V on the B pin (green) and ground on the A pin (pink)... I think it was a bad idea, I had a short circuit, my test cable didn't like !
After I retried to send 12V on A, and I still found 12V on B ! I retried to send 12V on A and grount B, and another short circuit...
I may have kill something !
Sure way to wreck something without knowing what a circuit does

Reading a circuit diagram helps.

Only wires you are interested in are the pink 12V supply and the tan / blk to the ECM where it grounds that wire to lock the convertor

Typical GM TCC circuit shown on right below


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Old May 1, 2014 | 01:54 AM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

Hello,

reading your diagram... there is something I don't understand.
My car is parked, the tcc output from the ecm is the tan / black, if this switch closes grounding the tan /black, it seems normal to have nothing on the tan /black if I send 12V on A.

I can imagine, the B pin (green), is my pressure switch, this is the one I find 12V on it as I send 12V on A.

thanks for your help

Marc
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Old May 1, 2014 | 07:17 AM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

Originally Posted by adelane
.. there is something I don't understand.
the tcc output from the ecm is the tan / black, if this switch closes grounding the tan /black, it seems normal to have nothing on the tan /black if I send 12V on A.
The wire goes TO the ECM ; not from it

The tan / blk has to have voltage on it ( from going through the solenoid ) in order for the ECM to ground it and operate the lockup
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Old May 1, 2014 | 07:49 AM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

ok, maybe there is an inversion on my transmission. It is not the original transmission of my car. It is a summit transmission.

On the factory wiring of the car, I have 3 wires. A : pink, +12V, B : green, D : tan / black.

If I send 12V on A on the trans, I find 12V on B (which corresponds to the green wire on the factory wiring). Maybe the B on the trans should correspond to the tan / black ? maybe an inversion ?

maybe are there several wirings on the connector of the trans ? and I have to invers 2 cables to make it compatble to my car ?

do you have a schematic which shows were each wire goes on the trans ?

thanks

Marc
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Old May 1, 2014 | 10:20 AM
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Re: 700r4 no lockup

For information, I have a torque converter with a "5" stamped on it.

It has a really high stall !

How can I check it is the good one with a lock up function ?

thanks

Marc
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