86 trans OD
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am
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86 trans OD
i recently replaced my ECM with a unit from the same year LG4 Firebird. the transmission shifted great with the old computer with the new one OD seems to be grabbing early. if it grabs and i just coast it seems come out but go back in and my RPMs drop to 1000. this is going about 30-35 i adjusted the TV cable, checked the fluid anything else? is this common?
i replaced the ECM because i was having problems with my CTS circuit and turned out to be ECM. now that the CTS is working OD might be kicking in but it felt like OD did before and my RPMs were 1500
i replaced the ECM because i was having problems with my CTS circuit and turned out to be ECM. now that the CTS is working OD might be kicking in but it felt like OD did before and my RPMs were 1500
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Re: 86 trans OD
The PROM / "chip" matters.
Does it shift 3 times?
Once, 2nd,
Twice, 3rd,
Third, 4th,
Thendoes it do a smooth reduction in RPM, lockup?
You can also (temporarily) unplug the 4 wire connector to observe shift behavior.
RPM is fun, but it may be working properly at 1000, 4th gear, locked up.
The chip can (fail to) control lockup. Determine whether you have it.
Does it shift 3 times?
Once, 2nd,
Twice, 3rd,
Third, 4th,
Thendoes it do a smooth reduction in RPM, lockup?
You can also (temporarily) unplug the 4 wire connector to observe shift behavior.
RPM is fun, but it may be working properly at 1000, 4th gear, locked up.
The chip can (fail to) control lockup. Determine whether you have it.
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: 86 trans OD
There's a difference between overdrive and TC lockup. There should be 3 shifts, and another "shift" that really isn't - it's the TC locking up. So I think what you may be describing is your first experience with this car of a "working" TC lockup? Which is controlled by the ECM you just replaced.
Does that sound right?
GD
Does that sound right?
GD
Re: 86 trans OD
To check to see if the torque converter clutch is working.... Go on the flat area of the freeway at apx. 65mph and at a steady speed depress the brake pedal slightly (enough to make brake lights to come on) and the rpms should go up about 150 - 250 rpm and drop that amount as soon as you let off the brake pedal.
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am
Engine: 5.0
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 86 trans OD
The PROM / "chip" matters.
Does it shift 3 times?
Once, 2nd,
Twice, 3rd,
Third, 4th,
Thendoes it do a smooth reduction in RPM, lockup?
You can also (temporarily) unplug the 4 wire connector to observe shift behavior.
RPM is fun, but it may be working properly at 1000, 4th gear, locked up.
The chip can (fail to) control lockup. Determine whether you have it.
Does it shift 3 times?
Once, 2nd,
Twice, 3rd,
Third, 4th,
Thendoes it do a smooth reduction in RPM, lockup?
You can also (temporarily) unplug the 4 wire connector to observe shift behavior.
RPM is fun, but it may be working properly at 1000, 4th gear, locked up.
The chip can (fail to) control lockup. Determine whether you have it.
There's a difference between overdrive and TC lockup. There should be 3 shifts, and another "shift" that really isn't - it's the TC locking up. So I think what you may be describing is your first experience with this car of a "working" TC lockup? Which is controlled by the ECM you just replaced.
Does that sound right?
GD
Does that sound right?
GD
To check to see if the torque converter clutch is working.... Go on the flat area of the freeway at apx. 65mph and at a steady speed depress the brake pedal slightly (enough to make brake lights to come on) and the rpms should go up about 150 - 250 rpm and drop that amount as soon as you let off the brake pedal.
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: 86 trans OD
No the brake thing is unlocking the converter.
There will be four events. You are already in first by moving the shifter to D. So a shift to second, third, fourth, and then TC lock. Four events.
GD
There will be four events. You are already in first by moving the shifter to D. So a shift to second, third, fourth, and then TC lock. Four events.
GD
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Re: 86 trans OD
ok i drove her up my local highway. at 60 i slowly pressed the brake and the torque converter unlocked and RPM went up slightly. upon releasing it took a second but it locked up again
at 60 MPH i have about 1400 RPM. all shifts are smooth
does this sound like a healthy transmission?
at 60 MPH i have about 1400 RPM. all shifts are smooth
does this sound like a healthy transmission?
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Re: 86 trans OD
i recently replaced my ECM with a unit from the same year LG4 Firebird. the transmission shifted great with the old computer with the new one OD seems to be grabbing early. if it grabs and i just coast it seems come out but go back in and my RPMs drop to 1000. this is going about 30-35 i adjusted the TV cable, checked the fluid anything else? is this common?
i replaced the ECM because i was having problems with my CTS circuit and turned out to be ECM. now that the CTS is working OD might be kicking in but it felt like OD did before and my RPMs were 1500
i replaced the ECM because i was having problems with my CTS circuit and turned out to be ECM. now that the CTS is working OD might be kicking in but it felt like OD did before and my RPMs were 1500
All in all I'd say it is working correctly.
Note that the only thing that is computer controlled in the 700R4/4L60 is the TCC lockup. All shifting is done via mechanical and hydraulic devices.
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Re: 86 trans OD
can anyone tell me what rear end i have if my diff cover is 10 bolt? i wanna know if i have a stock rear end.
at 60 MPH my rpm is 1300 at 40 my RPM is 1000 and the car sounds and feels like its struggling to maintain that without dropping a gear
at 60 MPH my rpm is 1300 at 40 my RPM is 1000 and the car sounds and feels like its struggling to maintain that without dropping a gear
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: 86 trans OD
Yep sounds like a stock 2.77 or so. That's the aweful final drive my 86 TA had (but in the 9 bolt). Those are highway cruising gears. They suck for acceleration.
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