articwhiteZ

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next up is a carbon fiber drive line made to order..

OR

polished aluminum....

1350 u Joints
carbon fiber runs close to $950.00
polished aluminum(bling) 3.5" to 4" my cost $500 (as I send them my yoke)

articwhiteZ

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why would they try to sell parts we don't need?
but what would GM know about the upgrade parts they make and sell..Right...
just look at them pushing parts ya don't need...why would you spend money on a AC Delco 5 pinon plant..what do they know....
by the way..this above video..shows the GM/AC Delco part...notice how it is put together..and its looks... some of the other videos show NONE GM 5 pinon parts..know what your buying..when you get parts....!
unless you stay with 25 year old parts and don't want to upgrade to better parts...
but if you want the Newest hard parts made..look for the best deals..as you don't have to pay retail!

articwhiteZ

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one of the better fitting(and looking) cross members on the market..BMR
nice clean tube type...better then the other blocky units sold...

paulo57509

After NK presses the nuke button, the only thing left will be that white Camaro....

articwhiteZ

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keeping the weak links to the minimum where I can...
and it has it own bunker...

articwhiteZ

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UP DATE from Moroso

Thay are sending me a new Updated pan.. free of charge. they have fixed the problem
with the none fitting pans..

thank you Moroso..a stand up company..($166 pan.. Free!)

articwhiteZ

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QA1 carbon fiber drive shaft $1100...with there slip yoke...going to see what price with me sending my forged moly yoke (sonnax)

skinny z

Things that make you go hmm...

articwhiteZ

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Well..Im going to put it to the Test with My Car..IS thats for sure...

IROCZ1989

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But I saw it on youtube it must be true, right?

articwhiteZ

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And..some of us don't use hammers to make parts fit...
we talk to Manufacturers. so they can remake the parts.. and send us New ones for Free...(just sayn)

IROCZ1989

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Most of us buy real Dart blocks instead of make believe ones....

articwhiteZ

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some times..the small blocks don't even make it in the car..
Brodix.. when ya want to step up to more power..

articwhiteZ

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but you did get yours in your car and running..that was kewl..

red rock

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I sitting here trying to understand, how we went from 700R4 parts, to engine blocks? As for transmission planetary quality, I haven't rebuilt too many transmissions, but what i have rebuilt, i never seen a 4 pinion bad (700r4), but have replaced a few 5 pinions (4L60E) because of failure. So I have my own opinion on that. I'm still confused about the engine block statement though, where did that come from?

articwhiteZ

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it comes from a spat. in the post..months back..when I was told I did not get GM parts..as I paid to low a price....lol.i don't pay retail for any thing GM..as I shop.. and when you have worked for GM Dealers..you can get New parts cheap..and even better deals when they don't want them on a shelf anymore...

red rock

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I here ya. I shop around also. But i still go with quality parts.

articwhiteZ

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That's why some of us go to SEMA.. and PRI.. to stay on top of what parts work..and whos using them.. and why..

IROCZ1989

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It's not really all about that. Probuilt has said they are stronger. My builder said they were stronger with 4l60s in the deep 9s almost high 8s to back up that claim. OP still wants to be a know it all and say 5 opinion is stronger. It's not and its heavier as well. He said he shopped around. Good for him. Legit GM 5 pinions are not around what he paid. There are alot of fakes out there, alot. 4 pinion if that what you have reuse it. Probuilt knows his stuff as does my builder. OP posts youtube videos from Monster trans, of all places. When you have more money than brains you are just throwing money down the drain for things not needed.

Engine block statement comes from him trying to make everyone believe a Wheeler block is a Dart casting ,just stamped Wheeler. It's not. I have 2 Dart built blocks, one Ford, one Chevy, and they both have the Dart cast into the side of the block

363

If your going to post stuff here at least get your information correct. Take OPs info here with a grain of salt he knows more than seasoned tranny builders. He used a copycat Dart block and pushed it off as a real Dart casting. Um no. I spent the money on the real deal twice. You are not going to make things up like that. Bring it his over to the 700r4 debate. All bs. And now telling a board expert on 700r4 basically he knows better. Um no. Know your role and respect that others know and have experience far outweighing yours.

articwhiteZ

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still trolling...
still butt hurt...get a hobby..and Get you Facts straight....lmao

I posted it was.." SORTA A COPY OF A DART BLOCK" but I gess ya cant read..(posted 03/3/2010)

I don't think saying "sorta a copy Of a Dart block" is passing it off as a dart block.. but then. bill Clinton did not think a blow job was sex.

articwhiteZ

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...ck-photos.html

post # 10

Facts.... good for you on buying 2 dart blocks.... let us know when ya buy your 3rd.. when Lingenfelter did my car back in 92 the used a Bowtie Block..woohoo.. small blocks were Fun...

and take your own advice. Make sure your Information is correct.. don't Lie...Or make **** up...

as you can see...Trolls are alive and well....And still Butturt! (beating on parts with a hammer to get them to fit)

4 months ago I picked up 3 Bushmaster AR15s for $350 ea from gunbroker but we all know they sell for more then that they must be fake..lmao(1 black/1 tan/1 OD green) Ya don't always pay full price for parts or guns.. why would you..some guys just don't get it...lol
Note: the Benelli M4 in Pic. was a birthday gift from the wife...

even when GM parts come from GM.. in sealed GM boxes and you get them way below cost...they got to be fake....Ya..OK sparky.. you have fun with that...
NOT A DART BLOCK... they cost so much I had to go cheap with a Brodix block Made out of Aluminum..as I could not get Afford a real cast iron block...(sarcasm so ya know...) but its a fake..as I did not pay $4000 for the block...

articwhiteZ

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some guys dont like it when others do things they don't Like..or its somthing they would not do..so they troll a post...but hey..I think its funny..and Ill go by what Sonnax..Gmpp TCI. but what do they Know..right? (they have have not done has many trannys like your builder has).
Ya I voted for Trump also! AND WILL a 2nd time.. troll that one too...


I only paid $90+ for this set Of GM valve covers..they must be fake as GMPP list them at $619.. edit to add...LOL!!

IROCZ1989

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Thanks for sounding so butthurt yourself. This is my hobby now, correcting your lies and 3rd grade mentality. You didnt address the planetary issue. Glossed right over it when I called you out. Your wrong and now you wont admit it. It's one thing to tell tall tales about times and hp numbers. But, if your going to come on here and say this is how you build a 700r4 and this is the best parts. You had better come with more than Monster trans Youtube videos.

Look I just want the right info out there. You are a very salty individual. You have cast me in a bad light and you dont even know me. I voted for Trump and own a safe full of guns. So what? What does that have to do with anything said here? Nothing.Did you think I was some liberal leftists or something? Does this change your opinion of me? Your getting personal. When people get personal it means you have no info or argument to back up your claims or statements. No need to get personal.

articwhiteZ

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A retort. Or mommy make the bad man go away..
the saga of trolls and post.. chapter #2

1. I never posted "This is how you BUILD A 700R4" you NEED to learn to read .. I only posted about the parts on/in the aftermarket.. you started the attack long ago with your trolling..think your meds need to be looked at.... OR STARTED!

2. YOU Cast your self in a bad light... you have some sort of God Complex / by trolling a post you dont like..you dont like the fact I paid a Fantastic Price.OR what parts I want to use. and you go off on a crazzy train rant on how it could not be true... (Salty) no NO you just have a DIPSHIT Opinion. and want to force it on me or who ever... (this is you)

3. YOU still do not get the fact...>>> What a part sells for.. or is sold for.. <<<(LEARN TO READ) dont mean $#!T. If you get a good deal on a Part. its a Good deal you Dont go calling sombody names.. just bacause you DONT LIKE IT.. you seem to have a Problem understanding this.. like i posed in the past ..months ago...
price on parts dont mean $!#t..a deal in a deal..

Ya might have buddies who think your some sort of super hero... Im not one of them.... I posed pic to help you out. as it seems you cant Understand the English Language. (Fun with Dick and Jane with pictures) for the reading impaired..
even when I sell Parts I sell them Cheap.. this way they move..they sell.. they go to a better place..lol .. they are not FAKE...lmao...

Take your meds.. drink your milk.. don't run with scissors. and for gods sake look both ways before you cross the street...with or without your Helmet..

edit to add
salty no IT'S the internet .. funny Yes
as you over paid for every thing..Im sure.
expl: I only paid $3500 for my Brodix block. when summit sells them for $5300..must be a Fake...got to be a Fake.. even with all the brodix # matching what they sold to the guys who did my eng.…as I sould have spent $5293... and not $3500...
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/bro-8b2000a

IROCZ1989

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Your a complete fool. No question. Same fool who argues that there is high pressure in the trans cooler lines, remember that whopper?. Same idiot who swears that and argues that 5 pinion is better/ stronger than a 4. You still cant say why you think that.I saw it on the internet it must be true, right? You just attack me. You post youtube videos to Monster trans. Lol. Is that who built your trans? You advocate that all the money you spent on a 700r4 will make it the most bulletproof trans compared to anything else.End of discussion,you dont have a clue what you are doing or what the hell you are talking about in terms of these transmissions. But I digress. What will happen? Like the Dart/ Wheeler butter block is that you will never run the trans and just sell it and buy something else. I'll keep calling you out on your bs claims/statements as long as you keep making them. Stop talking out of your *** and I'll leave you alone. When a real expert comes in here and tells you the real deal it's time to shut your pie hole and listen. The only thing you have made clear in this thread is the simple fact you dont know squat about transmissions. Till next time. Have a good day.

articwhiteZ

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WOW..Why so SALTY?? ya got to stop swallowing and ya might cut down on the salty Taste! wipe your chin..
name calling internet tough guy...lmao.. ya just cant stand it... I tried to be nice.(post #64).not going to be anymore..you lost all Credibility when you started with the Price per parts..and price Paid.. your to Retarded to understand..

A Troll. will always be just that a Troll...

if you Pay $1200 for a billet 3rd member..knowing the billet 3rd members sells for $3000..would you call it a fake?? billet 3rd member.. or shut your Pie hole and Buy it....LMAO.. STAND BY for reply from OLD salty mouth...and has ya want to pick on my parts.Ill pick on yours.. your car is slow..and will always be slow..just like the driver... (school yard stuff can be fun) just like your 2nd hand dart blocks..

articwhiteZ

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is this IROCZ1989

skinny z

Neither do I. Which begs the question: What do you pay for a GM 5-pinion planetary (if you were to buy one)? Mine came in at just under $200 CDN (~ $150 USD) after my GM discount (been buying from the same GM dealer for 20+ years so I get a few perks).

articwhiteZ

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the GM parts house has been very good to me..5 pinon planets new in the box $150..dont remember what they go for.(I still have the 5 pinon front? don't use it as I use a 6 pinon for that part). and when I sell stuff off my self I don't sell at Retail price..Im usually under by half..In the last 2 to 3 moths Iv had $4000+ come in from this site.(parts sold).and can tell you the parts sell for more then that..when you want something gone..PRICE it low !! it will go.. and your done with it...

I even paid $20 for a set GM outer window sweeps for my 92 Camaro..still in boxes...lol.. they wanted them gone! im the call up guy for things they want gone in the 3rd gen line..but could not get a 2nd set of flame red floor mats..only 2 years after the car was new!.

and it helps when you have a buddy who works the parts warehouse for GM in wa State+..

Keeping fingers crossed this thing will hold up..
It was put together to live Behind a 427 sbc in a ball park of 600hp.. sonnax and others say it will have no problem with the 615bbc.and the 800fpt. within 6 months of my getting the new made ricky race 700R4 parts. others have listed 700R4 trans to with stand 1000HP.. and the same parts used in there units. with a few differences 1. no cryo treating of parts 2. stock depth pan. there price is about $200 less then I spent (my cost with converter $4500) ball park.. Just sayn

if it works Fantastic!! as I can Keep the carbon fiber drive shaft I will have Had made for my car $1200 (QA1).. If not then a $4500 TH400 with gear venders over drive.. and another $1200 carbon fiber drive shaft.. A drop in the Bucket!! and a carbon fiber drive shaft for sale for $600..lol
and proof its not fake at $600...lmao.

To QUOT IROCZ1989 (aka troll)
your a liar if you paid $150... for your GM 5 pinon planet..or its not a GM made part! lmao.
any way..if it holds up.I will do a 2nd 700R4 with the same parts...(back up)
NOTE: hold up = 1 summer of me beating on it..= hrs of kid like play with a monster BBC and track times..
with all the chrome and shine..I still beat on her..IT's what she is for..
just look at the Headers...
thay make the hooker headers look like crap.. in fit and finnish!

red rock

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I know this may sound trivial, but i have had guy's selling new OEM parts on Ebay, that i have had in my watch list for months. I PM them with a low ball a price and they will come back with a counter that will, in most cases, be almost half of what they wanted for it. Some will counter a dollar less, and some will let it go way cheaper. Just because there is a Buy it now price, and no make a bid, doesn't mean you still can't make an offer. If you talk to people, especially if it's a business, they will usually work with you. If it's on Ebay, they usually just want to get rid of it.

skinny z

Sounds about right for a decent GM over the counter discount. Like I said:

articwhiteZ

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I know right?... but ya always have the foot in mouth guys..popping in..lol
Or
they have a Buddy builder whos shop pumped out 2 or 3 dozen 700R4's that's never had access OR the want to use High Dollar Parts.. as they don't think they are needed.Or it would drive the over priced units up even Higher!!. (I don't Believe in CRYO treating parts that there 6 pinon planet is no good/ 5 pinon your a Joke.. when ya can just cut you car up to use a 4L80).. or some $&it like that.. I don't chime in on there post walking mud all over it. BUT...I might start.

skinny z

Well, every number up with the trans I.D.(4L60 to 4L65 to 4L80, etc) is supposed to be step function change in durability. This is what caught me off guard regarding the 5 pinion vs 4 pinion planetaries argument. GM put the 5 pinion in and the towing capacity went from 6000 (or 6500 depending on how you slice it) to 8000 lbs towing capability. Sound's like an increase in strength to me. (Yeah. I know. It's not all attributable to an extra gear.)
At any rate, I built a spec TH700/4L60 with a pile of Sonax parts and GM upgraded goodness. I hope it'll hold up.

articwhiteZ

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had to upgrade to a TH400 so this 700R4 is up for sale.. (did not fit with the Headers)


all set to install. over $3500 in hard parts...for less then that.with converter! (was $800) it comes has a set...

articwhiteZ

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has ya can see the headers just don't work with the 700. I was told they work with a Glide..TH350..TH400.. so a TH400 It is..
price for the TH400 and converter $3999.32 shipped.



Lots of room on the Drivers side

just no room on the pass side
test fit with My first 700R4 I had in the car manual/auto..Love the thing..so much I did not want to touch it for the UpGrade..also going up for sale with 9" 3500 stall..

IROCZ1989

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Change in durability , yes for stock. When your putting 700hp through a trans things change. Not so much hp and tq but in reality how sticky a tire and cars weight will dictate stress on a driveline. It's not just the planetaries, it's the whole system. The argument is the planetaries are not the problem. 5 pinion is a solution to a problem that doesnt exist it's just in the gm world in a stock trans durability and adding tow capacity in a stock built trans is the game. When you build the trans it all goes out the window. 4 pinions never break, and are not a weak point in a aftermarket build. Plus side,rotating weight is lighter on a 4 pinion. That said nothing wrong with 5 pinion, if you have a OEM gm 5 pinion. The aftermarket is flooded with Chinese cast 5 pinions that can wreck havoc in a high dollar build. If you have a gm 5 use it. If you have a 4 use that, no need to get a 5 and so on. The best advice is not what parts to buy, but who is building the trans should be your number one concern.
I had same issues with expensive SW headers. Have a competent welder fix the collector to clear. I Put v bands on mine. Easier and cheaper than tossing my headers or changing the driveline.

articwhiteZ

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sure I could just heat and move them..thats why I posted.. give me a couple of rosebuds and a pipe..BUT its about bolt in fitment
Dan Lemon told me they don't work with the 700R4 trans.. I had the trans built before I was going big block..and wanted to see why they would not work..lol.
with over $3500 in hard parts in a trans..ya want to try to use them..but at the same time in the back of my head..Im going to be Hard on this trans with 1000HP like a fat kids Hard on a Cake!
most guys will buy the $900 hooker headers for the Big block 1 7/8 tube.. that's fine for say a 396 or a stockish 454.. but as you start to get up in Hp. and TQ ya need a bot more primary tube size.. 2 1/4 down to a 3 1/2 collector is has small as I could go.. and at $2150 for a set of headers (free T shirt). ya want to have things work without tweeking.. I tend to spend the money to get it right (hate to) but its only money.. after I Get the eng in the car..I bet I could have fixed this with a couple of rose buds and a pipe..but..this way I can buy my Gear Venders Over drive!...that's the way I look at it..

Not a stockish 454/496. but even a Aluminum 615cid would pass for a tribute ZL1 427. stockish..

its only for fun..

red rock

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Looking really good.

IROCZ1989

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I forgot you were big block. 3 inch is about max for me to keep them tucked up.Too bad you didnt have a local fabricator. On car fabbed headers run about 3-4 grand around here. Put every bend in the right place to fit the car.My fab guy made mine work. Was a godsend to say the least. Sucks these cars are so tight running a collector.

articwhiteZ

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that's 10 1/2" between collector's...and he tells me a TH400 fits.. (Ok Dan take your word for it) trannys in the works/paid for..
another $4000 drop in the bucket! (on a side not anybody looking for a sweet deal on a sweet 700R4 with transbrake and 3500 covt)

looking forward to test fit..and some kick a$$ cutouts (3 1/2") cutouts.. did someone say LOUD!

IROCZ1989

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My stainless works dump on the side of the pan. Were tight there. If they dumped before that you have alot more room. So tight.

articwhiteZ

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LOL All the money I put into the 700r4..and cant use it...he told me when I ORDERD the headers they did not work/fit a 700R4..but I could hope!!..anyway..

Had to go with a TH400 so I Had FTI put one together for me.. there 4.5 unit shipped out so fast in 2 days from order date..I could not have the upgrade the super bell to it.. I do that to my self now and then with ordering parts...
https://ftiperformance.com/TH400-Rac...m?productId=23
with a 9" billet converter and a few other upgrades and shipping came to $4000 (wow sounds Familiar)
but did get it with a clean neutral. I added a few parts like I always do.. roller bearing tail housing Moroso fabbed aluminum pan. it came with a deep cast pan (up for sale)
anyway..



the TCI roller bearing tail cover..is better made then the GM part..solid mount pad..and solid inside..No ribs..but solid cast..with Lube hole..when I say solid mount pad. its not hollowed out between bolt holes like GM.. it's solid...Im using a BMR Th400 crossmember..(I like the round tube) and it gives me anout 1" more room.


so its closer..but a Few more parts did show up...

more work..and a bit more room

articwhiteZ

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the headers fit snug on the pass side and rubbed the cast Deep pan I have never been a fan of the deep pans..no need with a larg cooler (JUST ME) cooler can add close to 2QTS of fluid..(larg cooler with fan)..

IROC1989 It just slipped my mined when I did the order on the collectors.. I should have ordered V band..I forgot.. with the 3 1/2 collector. It would have given me a bit more room (rubbed the cast pan)..with the moroso Pan I have a bit more room.. but I still have to just remove/cut a 1/8" notch in the header collector.. to clear the Fabricated aluminum pan.(Moroso) if the pans was a stock depth..it would clear. just don't want it touching the pan...over time it would cut a hole. but I can get the room I need. Lemon fit the collectors inside the front frame rails..Like yours..so They should clear...(should).. this shot shows the lemon collector touching the pan.. black tape on pan to keep it from getting marked/scratched..

articwhiteZ

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and one more thing..I have to take a TCI Plate and tig up and cut my shift Notches I need.. (OR) Drop $850 for a MM / ATI shifter for my 6 detents I Have P/R/1/2/3/N
YA see the TCI plate lets you slip from N to 1st with a pull...the N detent is my 1st gear.so I could slip into 2nd... I want to have to work the front trigger. on the shifter to make it work that way...so.. I tig Up and cut a new shoulder/detent in the 3 speed revers pattern plate.. or 4 speed plate.. I just don't get to use the 4th detent... this is my thinking.. plates are $28

articwhiteZ

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the stock plate lay out
below after fixing it to my needs

IROCZ1989

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I read your reply and try to write something and then catch myself. Dam I keep forgetting you have a big block, why cant I get this right, lol. It's a no win. Either sell the trans and get a th400 with gear vendors or modify expensive headers to fit. Are you on solid motor mounts? As long as you have 1/4 to anything on solid mounts in a rollbar car with subframe it should be enough room. I'm so tight on 3 inch collectors I can imagine 3.5 inch. Even with v bands I have to assemble them a certain way to get max clearance. I'd say consider 4l80e but then you would have to have a trans controller. Dont know what ECU your using. These cars are not easy to modify by any means. My take on this If I was in your shoes would be install the whole drivetrain and let a good fab shop put the v bands and modify the headers. Which way are you leaning?

articwhiteZ

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My engine ..trans..headers are all set to work as a set. and bolt in to My car at this point..the only thing for a shop to touch. is doing my Exhaust set up. at this point.
pic posted above show the 615 with the Th400 and the lemons headers bolted up and fitting.. the nexed step after cleaning and re painting the eng bay. is the install.
past the V band at this point..as I have cut outs getting installed on ea side of trans..so the standard 3 bolt collectors will work fine..
just doing the 3 bolt cut outs..(flate plate w/3 bolts) for cut out covers..the rest is
this Oval tubes..what im using after cutouts.. note,,the mufflers below pic..are 2 ea welded together..for less noise..

articwhiteZ

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I have 3 diff plates now in hand..

after getting the 3 speed rev pattern plate in hand and installed on the shifter .I found I did not have to add to the plate.. but just cut a new detent into the plate

as the plate is set up for a Neutral then slide back into 1st gear.. now cutting a detent into the N spot..you have to pull the trigger to get to the nexed gear..
1st pull tigger to 2nd.. let go of trigger...pull to 3rd gear...pull trigger pull into Neutral.. P/R/1/2/3/N..

and at the end..(shut down..stopped/slow to 10mph)...you now pull trigger push forward and it stops in 1st gear...stopping on the rev lock out... so now testing with tranny detents..just to make sure the detents match up with trans.. the trans Detent is the most .IMPORTANT match up.. turns out to be a Piece of Cake!

IROCZ1989

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Like the oval setup. I had already spoke to my fabricator about doing this dual on my car. Nice