can someone please send me one????


metalthrasherx@aol.com

thanx

 

dude ..if u have a 91 it probbly is a 7730 computer?

do u know where the computer is ..see it and if its a 7730 ..(99% it is ) then all u have to do is find any 91 bin ..doesnt matter even if its v8...(the only difference between the v6 and v8 bin is the no of cylinders tag..whichh u just change ..)

if ur using winbin ull also need the ECU file which can akso be found easy

most likely its easy to find them on

www.diy-efi.org... if u wanna make it easy on urself try a ftp program and browse ....

(meanwhile ill try to see if i can find the jet stage 2 bin for a 91 that i had some time ago ..)

what are u upto anyways???

 

ok thanx

i found one from an older post of camaro_hunter's

he also sent me one........

well, i would like to program a nice chip setup, and learn the ins and outs before i go converting any of my cars to TPI

would like to remove the darn speed limiter too........try to also get my car to run a little cooler.........a little more performance..........................

 

Read my post on "eprom burning for V6s".

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=116076

If EVERYONE e-mails TunerCat, maybe we can get a true TDF for ALL V6 F-body guys.

PS: SOME 3.1 V6 F-bodys don't have the 7730, oddly enough.

 

ok, so your saying that the programs that currently exist are only meant to program PROMs for 8's?

 

I am going to avoid this part of the discussion because people get their noses bent out of joint when I explain the "theory" behind how "aftermarket industry" works.

What's more important is to get the "aftermarket manufacturers" to realize that THERE IS a market in V6 F-bodies - IF THEY BUILD IT. Right now, I am waiting for a response from TunerCat, but I think they are very interested. Especially, since they have developed more V6 TDFs in the last few months than any other TDF.

The beauty of a TunerCat TDF is they constantly are improving them and you get the "latest greatest" for free. It's truly a "one time cost". I know that I have asked them to "add some new constant/table" that I found useful and they did.

I will keep you posted on that "V6 EPROM" post I made.

 

ummmmmm i have a V8 car..........its a carberuator though..............i know how the industry works....................my V6 is my daily driver that could use some spicing up....................i just dont understand why the V6's need a seperate PROM editor???
i understand why one is not made........but i dont understand why using either the WinBin or TunerCat is not sufficient for V6's

 

is it because TunerCat has default specs set for V8's only???

 

Not at all. In fact, the TunerCat program is really a "generic" program designed to "translate, read, write and re-compute the checksum". The REAL "driver" is the TDF. This is the "definition" file that tells TunerCat where the various "constants, tables and switches" are located in each specific BIN.

The BIN is the actual program from the eprom in your ECM. The TDF is sort of a "mask" that tells the TunerCat program where to find the various things you want to change in the BIN. The BIN for is often unique for each cars based on year, engine, induction system and transmission. The BIN for a SD TPI is different than a BIN for a MAF TPI car. The BINS for Vettes are usually different from F-body BINs, even when they are using the same engine and transmission.

Now, some clever lads have figured out that SOME BINS for certain cars are similar to other BINs for other cars and can often be made to work by a clever "switching of a bit". This is what happens with a few Vette Bins used on F-bodies and with the SD TPI V8 Bins that are used on SD MPFI V6s. But they are NOT the proper bin, it just happens to another BIN from another car that can be made to work....but it's not the BIN specifically designed for that car. It's more a "luck" that it happens to work. It could have easily NOT worked.

GM has literally 100s of different BINs for it's cars. The vast majority are for the "grocery getter" cars where no one has any interest in "hopping up the engine". Like 4 cylinder Cavaliers. Though I am sure there are probably some 4 cylinder Cavalier owners are now pissed at me for saying that. (Sorry to all the 4 cylinder Cavalier guys I've just offended).

But the important thing is that TunerCat HAS been doing some development on other V6s and MIGHT be interested in V6 F-bodies. Let's keep our fingers crossed. Because if you want to make SERIOUS POWER with an Fuel Injected car, you MUST change the eprom along the way to make if run optimally.

But even a bone stock car can benefit from a properly tuned eprom. I get almost US 30 MPGs and shaved 1/2 second off my times, all by eprom changes on a basically stock engine.

 

I should also elaborate a little too on how TunerCat works. Once I purchase the TunerCat program, I never have to purchase it again no matter what car I want to work on. Only a new TDF, and ONLY if it's a different type of ECM/EPROM than what I have.

For example, my 91 L98 uses the $8D TDF. This TDF works with 90-91 Vettes and 90-92 F-body SD TPI 305s and 350s (regardless of transmissions). It MIGHT work on other cars, but it is unknown at this time. People have found that you can make the a $8D BIN like the AUJP work on a 90-92 3.1 V6 by altering the "Cylinder Select". But that is not a TRUE 3.1 V6 BIN.

Now, if I want to hep a "buddy" work on his 1989 MAF L98, they use the $6E TDF. So I would have to buy a new TDF (for $20) for the $6E. The $6E is known to work on all 1989 Vettes and F-body V8 TPI cars. But I ONLY have to buy the TDF, not the TunerCat Program. I only have to buy the TC Program once and it works with ALL TDFs.

So, in the future, let's say I get a 92 3.1 V6 and TunerCat develops a new TDF for the 3.1 V6s, I only have to buy the new TDF, not the TunerCat program. Same if I buy a new LT1 Vette or F-body, or a Grand National or a Syclone/Typhoon....I only have to buy the TDF for that car...not a new TunerCat Program. That, you only buy once.

That's what I like about TunerCat, to "play" with a different TYPE of car, I just have to buy a new TDF (for that type of car) and then TunerCat will give me ALL the future updates for free.

 

glenn :hail:

hows it going ...long time since i visited teh prom board..or u came here..

well ive focused myself more towards ALDL and the mode 4 of ALDL..(i got the microcontroller to read the ALDL and kinda like putinfo on an LCD ..now im working more into pushing the ALDL into mode 4 and try to alter some of the values..) ive seen a lot of documents online about the mode 4

the main reason i gave up on chip burning for the v6 is the lack of editing software (winbin is fine but requires the ECU ...and Tunercat doesnt make the TDF for 89 v6 camaro's ...i have somewhat of a wierd ECM 7302....)

by the way does tunercat sell the TDF for the v6;s really????

 

Not yet. But read this

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=116076

Tunercat is definitely interested. So go send them an e-mail saying "PLEASE MAKE A TDF FOR MY 3.1 or 2.8 V6 F-BODY"!

Also, if you could read that BIN from your 302, PLEASE forward it to me, and I will get it off to TunerCat. Please note the 3/4 letter BCC code off the Silver Sticker on the Eprom window, along with the year (1989) and transmission.

If we can make this happen, maybe I'll try the same thing with ATI Procharger and try and convince them to make a Supercharger kit for V6s. Then you can go hunting for LS1s.

 

glenn ..i need some time on that one...i dont have my eprom programmar and reader with me ...which means ill ahve to use the lab from the electronic/communication department in my college.

and i have 2 chips ...one is hte hypertech and the other is stock..im gonna try to read both of them in

 

i got a reply from asking about a 3.1 v6 bin

 

SWWEEEEETTTT, Well at lest that's good news for me. I have a '92 Camaro 3.1L. I have been wanting to get into burning my own proms for a while!!!!

 

I've gotten a selection of other BINs, but they are all for the $88 SD V6. But I STILL haven't gotten anything (bin) for the 2.8 MAF V6s.

But since I've been doing my "junkyard scrounging" and looking at various "dead cars", I think it wouldn't be that hard to "repin" a 2.8 MAF V6 to become an SD V6 running the 7730 - much like the MAF V8 guys are doing. I have ALL the pinouts for the various F-body SD (V6 & V8). Just need the "pinouts" for the 302 and then maybe I could come up with a "MAF to SD" ECM conversion for the V6 guys that are interested.