do they make one for the v6 or does the v8 one fit and how does it mount onto the starter???

 

Its really not necessary , unless you make ALOT of long trips , 1 hour or longer , where you turn the car off for a few seconds , or 5 min then crank it up again .

 

I got one from the junk yard and it bolts up thru your solenoid.

 

Cool how did you get lucky in finding one in the junk yard, did it come off a v8 and yes it's a must on our cars because the exhaust pipes cool the sh*t out of the starter solonoid and then it won't engage the gear. Trust me I have had 2 starters do it already.

 

whooops I mean heat up not cool

 

No it came off of a 3.1L V6. I took it all. And put it in my car. Now its acting up. But when I switch starters you bet ya I m going to take the heat shield off and put it on my new one. But I just got lucky I guess finding it. Have you called the dealerships too see if they can get them? I know they like to rape you on prices but thats the only place I can think of looking. Or do what I did go walking thru a bone yard. I see that you live in the Houston area. This might help , call the bone and salvage yards on Shepard. They might have one. Anyways hopes this helps.

 

Trust me, it's not necessary. If you've had 2 starters act like that, then they must've been bad. I've had 3 starters since I've had the car, and I bought it in '94 with 65,000 miles. Now I'm in 2002 with 237,000 miles, and never had a heat soak problem. When my starters died, they died, and starting hot OR cold didn't make a difference.

Adding a heat shield couldn't hurt, but you might not want to buy your next starter from the same store that you've been going to.

 

We're just trying to save you headache and money Ryan .
Im in the same situation , I had one starter , just die of old age . The next one died because I would drive home from school (an hour) let the dog out , be at home for like 2 mins before I cranked the car back up again .That killed my starter . Sence then , I have never had any problems . I've had my car sence 95 and have only had 2 starters . If I would have left my car running while i was in the house for 2 min , I would have never killed the second one .

 

jegs and summit both carry a universal one that will fit our starters for like 23 bucks

 

Guys I'm NOT having a problem with starting when it hot, no. Just that the orginal starter solenoid won't deploy the gear. The motor wasn't the problem ever just the solenoid. Then I got a brand new remanufacted one and said "this should last" Nope 3 months later the same thing, solenoid died, the motor would just spin the gear inside the housing like the first one. I don't mind replacing them becuase now they are free but I don't want it failing me when I'm not close to home.

I tryed one of those "HELP" parts from autozpone, the shield was perfect, it went right around the solenoid but the bolt holes where to close to gether so I couldn't use it. I guess I'll keep my eyes open for one OR i'll just order that one from summit, wish they had a better pic of it in their catolog. If you find one in a junk yard I will gladly buy it from you.

 

Solution?
rebuild your starter.
I am right now.
I get a rebuild kit from Pep Boys and clean everything inside and also all outside terminals.
Then bolt back up. Should be just fine.
Starters are very easy to rebuild.
I'll pass a rebuild kit number
YOU NEED A DELCO SOLENOID!
That'll cure many problems.
On my Blazer, I had that starter for close to 10 years.
The one I'm rebuilding is from the 1985 Firedbird & it's the original from car build date in 1985

 

nah I'll just keep getting the new ones for free.

 

Next one you get for "Free",
& I can't argue that detail at all!!
Check for Delco solenoid.
The compression most of you guys here pushing is like 8+ to 1.
That's nothing like the 3.4 which is 9+ to one.

 

ked, that's great, whoopdfreakindo, nobody really cares about your compression, my 89 2.8 is like 8.9:1 from the factory, after getting my heads shaved i should have anywhere from 9.1:1 to 9.3:1. not everybody has the time to do an engine swap, especiall from 1 60*v6 to another 60*v6. if i wanted to do any engine swap to another v6, i would look into a 90* like a 3.8 or 4.3. bragging about your precious 3.4 just makes you sound ignorant and arogant. besides, what does compression have to do with starters?

 

So impressive to read your words of wisdom.
So sorry to have offended you.
Please I beg you forgiveness.

Since you know so much, I am really unimpressed that would ask simple this question.

Gee, Anyone else wanna answer this?

if i wanted to do any engine swap to another v6, i would look into a 90* like a 3.8 or 4.3.

When you do it, please be sure to impress us with your results.

Oh that's right, I forgot, your gonna fix your 2.8 engine.

That's as impressive as your simple minded comments, which seem to reflect the source.

 

I think the point Karl is trying to make is ,we dont have BIG engines putting out TONS of heat and TONS of vibration on these starters .

Karl is a personal friend of mine , man he didn't mean anything by his comment . Karl above all is not ignorant and arogant . I won't even begin to start on the things he's done . He's a great person .

I was just looking at your profile mw66nova . Your first interest is Jesus Christ . Now , if we had Jesus on this board , I know he wouldn't have answered Karl like you did .

 

sorry guys, your right, i am wrong, i am just so tired of hearing about the "great 3.4" please forgive my retardedness. the v6 stuff is still all new to me. i am more used to small/big block chevy's and so to not get power out of something that i have poured lots of money and time into is kinda aggrivating. if i had the money for the gas (which i don't) i would put on of the three small block together that i already have at the house

 

I do mean to say this
BUT YOU CHRISTIANS ARE SUCH JERKS.
YOU ALL BELIEVE YOU'VE MADE THE WATER THAT YOU WALK UPON
I know, I've been there.
Try Jackass Hayford.
You say you are slightly aware, so you should have also known some common sense facts.
Your response certainly showed nothing but ignorance and simple mindedness.

IF you don't like my constructive comments or a response, man, just let it pass by.
GROW UP

The 3.4 is not the greatest.

BUT by simply checking facts available to anyone, that walks into a GM dealer and plunks down the $6 for the GM Performance Parts book, you would be educated how much & where the GM engineers put forth the extra strengthening effort into the final 3.4 60* engine.....

to make it such a decent engine.

My 3.4 swap still impresses me, many times per day of daily reliable driving. Ask my Wife, she's quite pleased, also.
Especially yesterday as she was driving around my 20 month old Son, AC going full blast and stuck in traffic in 95* temps.

I've only offered, EVER OFFERED, the 3.4 swap boogie solution to anyone that wants to keep their ride & is looking for a realistic simple powertain upgrade on their current foundation. Without breaking their bank.

You poured lots of money and effort into your old engine, had some fun, it didn't make as much power (per the dollar spent) as if you were working on a Chvey V-8 and then your engine broke.
You offer a response like you did.
Nothing surprising here.

Keep staring at your broken car.
Maybe you'll get a clue.

 

i am very sorry to here that about Christians, and if you truely think that about them then i have failed in setting a true Christian attitude. this is no longer about motors, i am very sorry about that comment i made, i wish there was something that i could say to make it up to you. if my attitude has truely turned you off from Christians then i really screwed up. i compelety understand what you mean about the legalistic society that Christians have made. "Wear this, and don't do that and blah blah blah" but i like to think that i am not in this catagory. i am a punk rocker who drives a somewhat fast car. those two in themselves take me out of the legalistic society of christians. i follow Christ as hard as i can and i try to follow his word, i am sorry that i screwed up. nobody is perfect and i reacted in a bad way, unfortunatly, i was also acting like any other person, Christian or non, but i will up my standards and do my best not to get offended by very simple comments like "my 3.4 has 9:1 as apposed to your 8:1 2.8" sorry again, and i am begging for you your forgiveness, i truely have a great respect for you Karl:hail: