Well I know everybody talks about it and never does it but I’m getting the itch to do a turbo 3.4, 3400, or 3.1 I think the cheapest would be the 3.1 because paw sells some nice forged piston rebuild kits. I already have the 7994 ecm and a 2 bar map today I found a clutch for a reasonable price spec clutches
I was looking at the stage 3 for the car. I'm a mechanical engineering student at UW Madison and I have been working on cars since I was 5 my dad started me young . The local junk yard has a 3400 from a Ventura I could prob pick up for 300 bucks I was thinking about doing the same thing this guy did 3400 fiero
I really would like to have a roller cam engine and with 1.6:1 ratio rocker arms it would be aggressive enough with the turbo.
I'm not sure if I should use early v8 rods or if I should polish and shot peen the stock v6 rods?
What engine do you guys think would be the easiest and cheapest?
Here are some more links to turbo 60 deg. v6's.
Fiero Turbo
Turbo Z24

 

Hey there, fellow Mechanical Engineer. This has been talked to death, but I would also like to attempt it one day. It is just really really far down the list, and I will probably never get to it. The engine from the Venture will be a FWD engine, right? If it is FWD, it will be a pain to put in the RWD 3rd gen chassis. The heads between them and the distributor, intake, etc... won't interchange. The best thing to do is stick with engines and components from RWD 3rd and early 4th gen platforms only. The 3.4 block and heads from 93-95 F bodies can be used, if you use the older intake and exhaust, in the third gen.

The thing I would like to see done, and that I plan to try if I ever get around to it, would be to turbo and intercool the 3.1 liter that came in the car. I use nitrous and hit it with a 75 HP shot, so I feel very confident that the engine could stand 6 PSI of boost without any mods. If you want to go more, you will probably need the forged pistons, and have a set of stronger aftermarket Chevy 350 rods cut down on the bottom end to fit. Above about 10 PSI boost, you will probably need to address the mains and the crank. You could stud the mains, or make yourself some kind of custom block girdle. The crank, I don't know what you could do about, except for having a custom billet one made (cha ching$$$!)

Good luck with your project, and let us see the pictures!!! There have been a bunch of people that make claims, but none of them ever produce any proof. You could be the king of mods around here if you are successful.

 

I have a turbo on my car

 

So do I, mine's bigger


As far as the turbo idea, GO FOR IT!. The topic has been beaten to death and no one has stepped up and done it, all the power to you man

 

OH *** NOT ANOTHER PERSON ON THIS FORUM "THINKING" ABOUT DOING A TURBO. INSTEAD OF TELLING US THAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT IT DO IT AND TELL US AFTERWARDS HOW YOU DID IT AND WHAT IT TOOK.

 

whoa, slow down their bes217.

Yes, this subject is over done. No one has done a turbo on a thirdgen. If you have the time, connections, money to do it, more power to ya. You will get alot of :hail: . Yes, it will take all of that.


If you decide to do it, we will give you all the tech support we have in our heads. Just remember who helped walk ya thru it.

 

and the point of your post was what exactly? Go away troll....

 

b00st owns man.

I pulled up to a teal civic SI 1999. He has Exhaust, intake, some stickers lol.
Anyways he rev's at me. I laugh. anyways I "toyed with him" by not makin the boost spool up right away. Then I pinned it then on comes the WWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH sound and He immediatly fell back to my bumper then let off.
LOL you should have saw the look on his face.
He was probally thinking: "THEY PUT WHAT?!? in a SUNBIRD?!?!?"
ROFL!
Same with the stang... LOL

Soon I will get an intercooler and try 13-14psi of boost. They don't reccomened over 12psi w/o a intercooler on a smaller turbo because it heats up the air too make and increases the risk of detonation.

Oh well, DAMN this 2.0L flies!

 

yep

 

Ever heard of water injection? it does the same thing, you just need to have a really big water tank, or have it turn on from a thermo switch in the intake.

 

Wrong. Guido has done one, and there are a scant few others. Just do a search for "turbo" in the power adder board. You'll see quite a bit.

 

I think the statement was meant to say no one has done a turbo V-6 60* block Thirdgen...not to be mistaken with the 3.8L.

 

Well, yeah. Taken in that vein I've never heard of anyone doing a turbo on a base v6 2.8 or 3.1. I should have considered that, but forgot where this thread was located.

 

If u could even get 8 PSI out of the engine.
U'd gain about 56HP.

 

Thanks for the encouragement guys I think I really might do this. I did some calculations and for the amount of time I drive this car during the year it will only cost me about 40 more a year in gas by stepping up to 91 octane. I do have the connections to get this done I’m good friends with the manager at a junk yard and I can get first dibs on whatever I want that comes into the yard. Do you have any suggestions for a turbo? I was thinking of getting a t-3 off a SVO mustang if I can find one but I’ll have to upgrade it because it’s a small turbo. I’m trying to do this at a very low budget and have it easy enough that anybody can duplicate it. So far I only have 200 dollars stuck into the whole car which is amazing for the amount of stuff I have for it. Right now I’m just collecting the parts that I need for this project since I’m currently 100 miles from home I’ll be working on the car starting may 18th and hopefully I can get it done fast. I’m going to have to start hitting up the syty boards for some help with burning custom chips for the 7749 ECM. Well I have to go I’m packing for Cancun so I’ll be gone for a week. I swear sometime I think I went to college just so I could go on spring break.

 

Use the turbo off of a Turbo 2.2 liter Chrysler. It is a Garrett, and although it might be considered a little on the small side for a 2.8 or 3.1, it can provide more than 15 pounds of non-intercooled boost on the 2.2 liter. It should be more than large enough to get 10 PSI on the V6.

They came in: 85-87 Shelby Chargers, Some Daytonas, some Mini vans, 85-88 Chrysler New Yorkers, LeBarons,and a very few Shelby Omnis to name a few. You can probably get the turbo, waste gate and all for about 50-100 dollars because they are fairly common.

Good luck!

 

I was gonna say the same as pontiacguy. Get one off a smaller engine like a labron, or grandam, grandprix, something with similer engine size as the engine you will use it on.

One of your connections will be a custom burnt chip. Start looking for the connection/equipment also. Having someone is j/y biz is always nice

 

I have a turbo, too! (Super Turbo Muffler, by Dynomax)

 

:sillylol: :sillylol: :sillylol:

 

And amazingly off topic...

unless you have an ace in the hole for a turbo system designer, I would HIGHLY suggest getting a book named "maximum Boost" it has all you will ever need to know about designing, building, and implimenting a turbo system. It will also give pointers as to truely "Tune" it to your application(car) given certain know flow rates of the engine..

 

I read that book, it got me excited about turbos in the first place. I always wanted to do a turbo, but I just can't afford to do something like. If I want a turbo, I will just have to get a car that already has a turbo.

Turbocharging a non turbocharged engine requires so much custom work and fabrication and not to mention a new fuel management program. The other thing is that adding a turbo may not be emissions friendly, something which is kind of important to those in California.


Its also easier to maintain replace parts in a factory turbocharged application rather than a custom turbocharged application.

 

Thats why I am looking at 1 of 3 Conquest TSi's to be bought with my tax refund.

2 are in Benton, 1 1989 TSi, With another '89 as a parts car, for 1700-2K.
The other is a '90 TSi, for 2K.
3rd is in Murphysburo, 1987 TSi, for around 2K.

So, right now the choice is obvious, the 2 for 1 deal. And taking the non street worthy one's engine and rebuild it to perfection and swap it into the other.

 

A Chysler/Mitsubishi Conquest is quite a find. I have only seen 2 my entire life. I can't believe you found 3 of them. They have potential. I always thought of those cars as a better Daytonnas.

 

I saw a Conquest about 2 months ago.. Looked exactly like a Supra/Celica, except for the bold 'CONQUEST' on the back of the car in gold, standing out from the black paint.

 

When I was on the East coast, I saw one of those in a 1/4 doing low 11's on street tires, and street legal. he quessed he had around 550 HP at the wheels, and only spent around 3K and 9 months.
They are a hell-of-a car to start modding. And they respond very well to everything that is done. I have seen ALL STOCK cars pushing 280Ish Hp at the wheels, with few free/and cheap mods. If I am not mistaken, they have T3/4 factory, and a T5/6 suits them very well.
There is also a company that sells stage 4 heads for them for 495, and says its a Dyno'ed 60HP increase on a stock engine. Spring for roller rockers 1.6 intake/ 1.7 exhaust and a nice profile cam and your bolting on close to 90-100 Ponies for around 750-800 bucks. So now your at around 390-400 ponies and ticking at mid-low 12's.

EDIT: that gets me thinking... I may put off another project I was gonna start to seriously build up 1 of the TSi's

 

The world of Turbos are always great building blocks for power. I am begginning to think almost any turbo charged engine can be fairly quick. Since turbos are a big part of the import scene, and with the import scene being so popular at this point, modding a factory turbocharged engine is getting affordable these days, unless you have something like a TT Porsche, which upgrades are still pricey like they always have been.

 

email me... i can try and give u a few idea into the the whole turbo idea... i have a set up that can really work... i just need the money.

it does make the world go round ya know?

xbusterv6@aol.com

my set up can eke out close to 300 horses, and this is with stock psi i believe... not sure. Gotta look at the old notes.

this is a 3.4 turbo set, so expect lots of money loss.

well i'm halfway there
i thought i was never going to get the swap done, but i'm wrong, i pulled it off!

 

I'm back from cancun man was that crazy. I've been thinking about this alot and i think i'm going to go with a 3.1 crank, gen 2 or 3 aluminum heads, and turbo grand prix pistons and run around 10-14 psi of boost hopefully the pistons will hold. I've been told that they were a very good design for a cast piston and should hold that much boost with good gas. i still have to figure out what i will do for an intake. I have all the valvtrain part numbers from the beretta indy car so i'll see if i can find the cam and other valvtrain components for the 3.1. Well i'm off to class, later guys.

 

If anyone is near Detroit I know a shop that can make some custom stainless turbo headers. TT 3.1 would be sweet! In fact something may be in the works in the near future.

 

custom stainless steel turbo headers are gonna be $$$$

Make sure you bring two things, your checkbook and some KY :sillylol:

 

Thats right, Tony...they are expensive...but the alternative is to get just one made for the passenger side and use a crossover pipe from your stock drivers side manifold and the price will be 1/2 the price of a TT setup. I think somewhere around $450 for a manifold, plus a used turbo ($250) and an intercooler ($100) then some custom pipe work ($250) and some programming ($300) and your pretty much set for under $1500. Anything else I forgot?

 

good luck man, many people have talked a mean game but no one has stepped up to the plate. Hit up the power adder board for more info

 

Turbos and Superchargers may be just all talk right now, but it can't hurt to dream.

 

Sadly that's all these ideas seem to be...dreams.

 

*cough* Yeah... dreams...

$1500?? Damn.

 

my worry would be it might be a little too small for the car and overspool the turbo which would make it lose power QUICK

 

hey I'm even dreamin of a turbo


going to buy the stock motor setup with almost everything I need to at least get the turbo running


after that I plan on upgrading to a T60 running between 11-15 psi with a few other mods

should be good for around 350-400hp in a whole 80 cid package


but again that is dreaming till I get a job

 

see if your luckier than i have been
i had a really nice list of mods and turbo set up that would've slapped me near 300 hp... i think it was like 294 roughly...
nonetheless...
i came really close... and had to blow my money on a family problem... ugh... shoot me...
well my original set up was gonna be a 3.4L turbo...
well i got the 3.4 part done... thank goodness... now for the turbo... but i've pushed that longer now cuz of stuff i wanna get before hand...
2 years from now hopefully i'll have a turbo set up done...

 

Ok here is what i'm thinking of right now any input would be good.
7749 Ecm Modified SYTY code
85 2.8 block
1997 3400 heads, intake(modified for distributor), crank, and Rods.
1996 3100 pushrods
Mahle TGP Pistons 30 over
1993 Eagle Talon 1G BOV
Murker T-3 Turbo from 86 Turbo T-Bird????
Custom intercooler or some oem one
grand prix gtp 38# injectors or Grand National 36# injectors
Crane Cam
Arp Studs throughout the block
Custom headers and exhaust
Spec Stage 3 or 4 Clutch
Plus all the other little stuff i need
I want to be able to go up to 14 psi of boost which with this combo should bring about 370 hp in ideal conditions.
This should be good enough for high 12's low 13's in the quarter mile.

 

370hp... don't count on it..

 

yeah me and my freinds r using a guys 240 as a learner car to fabricate are own turbos, we all know how it works and some of us know the mechanics of it, others just know the parts needed and how it should go, but were goin do it when he buys all the parts!

cuz after that we should be doing a acura, audi and a camaro if im still interested....

 

agreed, 370 is WAAAAAY out of the question...

 

yea 370 is by far way out of the reality pool...

i can believe you can do 300 or more...
but not 370...

i'll lower that my set up... which is reasonably not expensive... is about 270... just in case i calculated wrong on the 290...


i'm having trouble pulling of my set up... and its cheaper and easier than yours...

you have a great set-up... its just start small... no1 has pulled this off cuz they go a little too far...

i'm gonna run stock psi... 6-8
once again... give me 2 years...

 

I recieved 370 by using a known formula which takes the engines N/A horsepower which should be around 200 with the gen 3 heads and differnt cam and plug that in it gave me 368 horsepower or something around there. Note that I underlined ideal in my post which means that in a perfect conditions that's what it would make I wasn't stating it was actually what I was expecting so everybody calm down lol. Hopefully i will make about 320 which should be able to whip a 2002 camaro ss since my car will be about 1,000 pounds lighter. I think this is correct since the new SS is about 3,800 pounds and my car is around 2,900 pounds now without junking all the crap i don't need and using the aluminum heads.

 

Hmm 370 HP at the flywheel, Maybe, which would be roughly 315 at the wheels.

I still, Doubt that highly.

We probally cant get 200HP without the turbo.

So ur saying 200HP from a single turbo?
You'd need to run about 25PSI to be able to do that.

On a engine that was designed to run boost in the first place, Have fun.

5-8PSI on a Stock engine is too much.
The new J-bodies blow at 4-5PSI.
No one knows how much boost a 2.8/3.1 in our cars can handle.
Hmm....

Formula's arnt always right.

 

blah blah blah.

10psi intercooled to start with, on 93 Octane. Remember, we're running like 8.9:1 cr. .4 higher than a TTA, which I believe runs 14 or so modded on 93....

I guess we'll just have to wait until someone actually makes a turbo system.

 

Heres a source for your used turbochargers:

Go over to the Supra forums and look around for someone with an older single turbo setup thats upgrading. You can get them cheap and their made to work on the 3.0 engine, which is almost perfect for your swap.

You guys need to keep in mind that a turbo made for a 4 cyl. will not work unless you run two of them.

 

Not true - the Chrysler turbos will run around 14-16 lbs of non intercooled boost on a 2.5L engine. I see no reason that on a 2.8L it couldn't push close to 16psi intercooled. I have seen guys running the T3s on the 2.5s close to 18-20psi before the turbo had nothing left.

In contrast, the CT26 of the Supra will run to 14psi intercooled, and that is it.

Either should work fine.

 

Am HITHERE going insane? Like everyother word on this post is 'HITHERE'...some HITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHEREHITHERE having some fun?

 

The new 3400 is rated at 185 horespower with a restrictive intake and exhaust system i think with a port and polish on the heads and a nice cam. 200 N/A horespower should be very easily obtained in fact 200 horespown N/A might be a little low. And again i don't expect 370 horespower that's just what the equation gave me.