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Old Jan 10, 2004 | 07:09 PM
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3.1 nos dry kit

posted this in power adders as well but im sure v6ers know better

found this kit that will work in my 3.1
NOS DRY KIT 2.8-3.4, TPI

was wondering what parts i should swap to take it and what max shot i could use
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Old Jan 10, 2004 | 07:50 PM
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that price

Dry set up is good, less chance of blowing up intake up (wet sys backfire is not pretty).
From what I've read here, 75~ 80 shot max is good for stock pistons. Some have gone up to 100, but it's your call. Fuel pressure safety switch a must.

Or am I totally not answering the question correctly??
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Old Jan 10, 2004 | 11:31 PM
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well i was only shooting for a 75 shot at most
plus future upgrades b4 that r
pfe headers
msd 50,000 volt coil
msd 6a
splitfire plugs
msd 8.8 wires
and 19# injectors
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 12:55 AM
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That price is a bit steep. A turbo could be done for that much.
And no re-fill needed.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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well do u gave a grocery list of the parts needed for the turbo set up?
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 04:27 PM
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Yeah, it's a steep price... summitracing.com only has it for $40 less.

[DAMN that 'one search only 45 seconds' is annoying- especially when a search returns nothing!! Then it's not really a search!! Agh!]

I just did a search (can you tell?) and found a message by PontiacGuy1; he put a nitrous kit on his car that was made for Mustangs- and said the NOS guys told him to! So you might want to look into it; he said it's cheaper.

I'd still like to get a parts-by-parts comparison of it though... but apparently I'm too lazy to email NOS and find out

Message is here: https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hlight=mustang
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 09:49 PM
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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40 dollars more and get the one actually made for the 2.8-3.4 blocks or 40 less and get one for a 5.0 mustang that i would have to rig to work with a 3.1 v6 then buying a diff nozzle to lower the shot to what it can take

last time i asked about the stang kit i got 0 responses

and looking through all the turbo post the only thing with a part number is the actual turbo, but i did pick up that i need a small DSM intercooler, need to run some oil lines, then find a place to bend the piping for the whole setup.......
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 12:43 AM
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You already gotta have the tools and a welder. But after that its really just time. You basically find a car with a turbo and steal it. / buy one from a car on Ebay. Any car of equal or greater size will work. Certain cars would be better.

A 80,000 miles import for $500 with a blown motor but the whole turbo setup is cool. Same as the mustang nos kit. You are gonna adapt parts to fit your car.

There is no part number. Start turbo hunting. And hopefully a whole setup all together.

You'll find most people doing the turbo project after they got one for a deal. You can spend lots of money but ask around. get friendly with the junk yards and wait for a good deal.

You can run with out a pricey intercooler. Early GN didn't have one, they just put a non intercooler system on a Chevy this weekend on the horse power block. Spike TV

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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 01:13 AM
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mmmmm spike tv :hail:

yah i saw 14b turbos for 50-100$ on ebay
just which do i use a 14b or 16g
new turbos were 600-900$
new ic were 900+
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 01:21 AM
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You gotta ask D them detailed questions. [D=Doward] I haven't gone to far into the details. I really avoid looking to much as I could be really tempted if I saw a deal.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by krazycracka55
40 dollars more and get the one actually made for the 2.8-3.4 blocks or 40 less and get one for a 5.0 mustang that i would have to rig to work with a 3.1 v6 then buying a diff nozzle to lower the shot to what it can take
Actually, I think the mustang kit that was mentioned goes for $475...
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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Why would you want a dry kit as opposed to wet?


A wet kit makes sure the extra fuel needed for the amount of Nitrous iss provided by supplying itself via the kit itself and is rated by the amount of HP provided at the rear wheels.


A dry kit leaves the stock fuel system responsible for the extra fuel making it extremely easy to run too lean and burn a piston up. It's rating isn't rated at the rear wheels, but rather an estimate of what it would be at the crank.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 09:49 PM
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get a fuel pressure safety switch to prevent fp from dropping too low & creating the lean sitiation.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 09:53 PM
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Not only is fuel pressure your issue, but fuel volume. You're also expecting 6 injectors to work over their expectations for fuel flow.

I'm not saying that it's impossible (It's being done), or that it's going to fail the first time. I just personally like the security of knowing that I'm not expecting a system to do something it's not intended to do. If I'm going to spend $600 on a nitrous kit, it'd better be almost foolproof.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 11:41 PM
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Wet might be better for carbureted, or an aftermarket fuel injection setup, but it's not good for our MPFI (or factory TPI) motors. Our plenums are just meant to flow air. If we start trying to pump fuel thru them, the fuel can puddle up- and one backfire will blow the top of the motor apart.

I'd rather supply my fuel thru the fuel injectors, the way the factory designed it.
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 12:03 AM
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I'd still rather have wet.....
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 12:02 PM
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There's a joke in this somewhere (wet vs dry), isn't there?
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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Ive emailed Holley before and the kit for our cars is a dry kit, but it used a return line block off. So when your under nos it blocks off the returning fuel and raises your fuel PSI and volume.

75 shot is what they recommend.
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