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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:14 AM
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well

i hope your not reffering to your 6cyl as a ls1
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Z28guy83
i hope your not reffering to your 6cyl as a ls1
Its got ls1 stickers on the plenum
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:35 AM
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Re: well

Originally posted by Z28guy83
i hope your not reffering to your 6cyl as a ls1
Gee wiz batman! I didn't know 98 SS's came with 2.8s! No, I'm talking about that 320HP (actually 350HP underrated) all aluminum V8 block Home-BOOOIIIIIEEE.:werd: Oh, and it's spelled "referring" but hey you tried your best that's all that matters.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:37 AM
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lmao this thread is going to hell. lol
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:42 AM
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ok just checking

well thanx for the spelling lesson mr rogers
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:47 AM
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Z28guy83 youz gotz hoowk on fonix? wheres agood2.8 when you need him? Anyway, AM91Camaro_RS what mods do you have?
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:49 AM
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hopefully agood is at his anger man. sessions! Or maybe he's busy writing a huge list on why his 2.8 is better than anyone elses on the earth
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by jon_volk
2 more cylinders :hail:

how about 4 or 8 more cyl if money is no object you could always buy a viper motor or a mercedes v12
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Z28guy83
how about 4 or 8 more cyl if money is no object you could always buy a viper motor or a mercedes v12
Go to bed, you making no sense now man!
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 02:18 AM
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(not in any particular order)

Tune-up

180* stat w/ lower fan-switch.

K&N airfilter.

Add a posi.

Advance timing 2*.

Mild cam., longer rocker ams

Boring block .30 over, adding bigger valves.

Ignition coil.

Freeflow cat., Freeflowing 2.25"- 2.5" exhaust/muffler

Increasing 2.8 head's compresssion
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Adding nitrous or supercharger. (w/ timing retard module) to stock heads.

Subframe connectors, ligher wider wheels

Headers

Akshay
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 02:30 AM
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...180* stat w/ lower fan-switch...
Is the fan on a temperature switch or is it controlled by the ECM? I'm always confused on this point.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 04:47 AM
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Man, what a waste of time. So much for having an appreciation for your fellow car buff. I really don't care if its foreign or domestic, 4, 6 8 cylinders, whatever. I look into the work behind the car. You people sound like a bunch of babies. Any v8 can beat a v6 and vice versa. Take my v6, it traps at 95-100 mph and I don't even have the headers, 3.73 gears, aluminum driveshaft or T-5 installed yet. But wasting my time arguing with people on this board while you should be proving it on the streets, that doesn't seem right. I'm not sure but didn't this thread start with someone else asking how they could make their V6 run faster. I have seen this on other sites where someone just starting out asks 'how do I make my V6 faster?' and there is always some flamer or troll saying, 'put a V8 in it'. That's just stupid. Save the boards for people asking questions. If you think you need to prove yourself, don't waste people's time in the threads and give me a call when your in the Chicago area. We'll see what happens.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by mw66nova
i didn't think that you would remember....i guess i am more well known on this board than i thought. and i do have a v6 in my red car right now, but the 310 is waiting in the wrecked white car for the engine swap party in commerce, GA at the NSCA on May 1st. when two bad cars make one awesome car. anyhow, i am not saying that the v6's can't keep up, but only a few of you guys are actually boosted. most of you are just talk. my "cammed 305" runs consistant 13's on 87 octane. it's hard to get there without boost/nitrous in a v6. possible, but not probable.
No, I just remember people that post on the V6 forum, and I know you used to be one of them.

Your "cammed 305 runs consistant 13's on 87 octane"? Yeah well a look at your webpage shows you've got a lot more than a cam to run those 13.9's!

Wow this turned into a little btch-fest, huh? No wonder i don't spend much time around here anymore. Good way to show off for a new forum member, everyone!

Camy I already put a message up in that other question of yours at the Fabrication forum...

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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by br()bert
hopefully agood is at his anger man. sessions! Or maybe he's busy writing a huge list on why his 2.8 is better than anyone elses on the earth
Actually AGood2.8 did have a lot of modifications to his car; and gave a ton of technical information over on the Suspension Forum regarding his setup. Did any of you see some of those messages, complete with part numbers and photos and explanations?
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by camaro_junkie
Is the fan on a temperature switch or is it controlled by the ECM? I'm always confused on this point.
Wow I'm so glad to see some tech! The fan is controlled by the ECM, but the temp switch in the rear of the passenger head (single green wire goes to it) is the "safety"... it's a redundant system. So you could replace the switch without worrying about the ECM.

Kind of like how the ECM controls the fuel pump relay for startup- but as soon as the car starts, the oil pressure switch bypasses the fuel pump relay- and the fuel pump runs off ot the oil pressure switch. (It's in the GM/Helms wiring diagrams, so nobody try to argue this, as it's been done a million times on thirdgen.org.) You could actually start your car, and either (A) unplug the fuel pump relay, or (B) unplug the oil pressure switch, and the engine will keep going. Now, unplug both, and you won't go anywhere.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by TomP
Actually AGood2.8 did have a lot of modifications to his car; and gave a ton of technical information over on the Suspension Forum regarding his setup. Did any of you see some of those messages, complete with part numbers and photos and explanations?
I know, seemed like their wasnt a question the guy couldnt answer, He reallty knew his stuff. Too bad he was bipolar, i mean the dude would fly off at the slightest thing !!!

180 fan switch---- i have one, its a hayden adjustable one though
Adjustable to any temp you want to adjust it to(within reason)
I have mine set to around 180 ish and have a 180 thermo installed.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by F585
Z28guy83 youz gotz hoowk on fonix? wheres agood2.8 when you need him? Anyway, AM91Camaro_RS what mods do you have?
go to page 3 of my cardomain ...my motor specs are there.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 06:03 PM
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yeah, your right TomP i do have a "little more done to it then a cam" but it's fast non-the-less.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by TomP
Wow I'm so glad to see some tech! The fan is controlled by the ECM, but the temp switch in the rear of the passenger head (single green wire goes to it) is the "safety"... it's a redundant system. So you could replace the switch without worrying about the ECM.

Kind of like how the ECM controls the fuel pump relay for startup- but as soon as the car starts, the oil pressure switch bypasses the fuel pump relay- and the fuel pump runs off ot the oil pressure switch. (It's in the GM/Helms wiring diagrams, so nobody try to argue this, as it's been done a million times on thirdgen.org.) You could actually start your car, and either (A) unplug the fuel pump relay, or (B) unplug the oil pressure switch, and the engine will keep going. Now, unplug both, and you won't go anywhere.
I'm glad to hear this because everyone always says if you get a lower temp thermo you need to mod the chip (to change the fan-on temp). I didn't realize there was a backup switch (although I did know there was the temp sensor on the head). As long as a lower temp one is easy to get my hands on, this will definitely be some good information (my car hates being warm). Does that sensor on the head feed the ECM temp info and turn the fan on?
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by br()bert
...I have mine set to around 180 ish and have a 180 thermo installed.
Wouldn't this cause a bit of a problem? I mean the thermo finally opens and the fan kicks in, the coolant cools off and the thermo closes and the fan turns off, the thermo opens... I'm not saying it will cause a problem, I'm maybe thinking a little too on the ideal side, I'm just curious if that's actually a good idea.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 06:44 PM
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Got me, lol works fine though no problems. I can turn it up or down if i wanted to.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 06:45 PM
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i see where this has gone
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by camaro_junkie
Wouldn't this cause a bit of a problem? I mean the thermo finally opens and the fan kicks in, the coolant cools off and the thermo closes and the fan turns off, the thermo opens... I'm not saying it will cause a problem, I'm maybe thinking a little too on the ideal side, I'm just curious if that's actually a good idea.
i've got a 180* thermo and have a manual fan switch which is almost always on. my car runs 160* and seems to like it.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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I wasn't really thinking that it was bad because it would be running cool, I was just thinking that the constant fan switching and thermo opening-closing might start to wear things out.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by br()bert

BTW someone needs to tell the v8 trolls that chrome valve covers , alt and ait cleaner'd dont make them go faster.
chrome dont get you home:lala:
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by camaro_junkie
I wasn't really thinking that it was bad because it would be running cool, I was just thinking that the constant fan switching and thermo opening-closing might start to wear things out.
might wear the thermo out, thats about it. Not like the thermo is expensive anyway or hard to change.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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Generally stops and starts are not good for an electric motor (like the one in the fan), not that stopping and starting in general will wear the motor out but if it turns off and on every five minutes, it's not going to make the motor last longer. Of course the fan motor doesn't really have an initial load, so it can't be too bad (in fact when you are driving, the wind is probably turning the fan some).
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 11:42 PM
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when i drive the fan motor turns off due to the air ramming through the rad. Not all the time just if im going like above a certain speed. also outside air temp has alot to do with it also and the fact that my ac condensor is gone, lets the rad breath better.
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