maybe someone could invest in the design of a cal turbo setup. That would be a race only option that had permanent dis connects so th car could be run stock.

It would not perform as well but still use full. Use cast iron cut outs in the exhaust. Find a big PVC y valve n so one.

Being able to pass cal standards n have a turbo also would be worth $4-5000

People in cal got money.

 

AHHHHH
People got money EVERYWHERE
YET
Demand for that product?
We know the vocal demand for a complete engine to tailpipe high performance exhaust system, and that is within easy reach for so many...(especially now for our V6 rides, too hurrah!)
A Turbo set up on an old car?
A Unique market, for sure......
Yeah casting "turbo headers" or making them is a big detail to overcome. And the duribility of that HiPo product.
Something ya connect/disconnect....for smog testing purposes.....
Answer this one....
IS there a Street Legal Turbo set up, aftermarket for "OTHER Rides"?
I DEFINETLY KNOW OF SUPERCHARGER set ups, yet, Turbos?
They "Seem" to be (EPA LEGAL) generally factory offerings, only.
How far off is that assumption of mine.....

 

Edelbrock recently pulled off a miracle for late model honda civics... they do in fact offer a 50-state CARB-EO'd turbo kit for D16Y8-powered 96-00 civics. So yes.. it's possible.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...act/turbo.html

 

Well, we busted *** thru the weekend and got some new toys to play with.. thanx the the beautiful fabrication skills of those whom shall remain me. :hail:

We were quite zooming along when we found out that Forced Performance in Texas, completely F-ed up the turbo we were going to use.. The bearing clearance were way wrong, the compressor land was not surfaced enough, the supposed "clipped" turbine wheel turns out just had broken fins... so whilst we pursue the return of our money, we had Vortex Performance's new turbo guy rebuild ours, he resurfaced the bearing journals, got us a new wheel and actually clipped it for us the right way, balanced it on the dot, and reinstalled the entire assembly... beautiful job btw, so anyone that needs turbo work done, from building to balancing, etc.. just let us know..
and now that the talk is done, heres some pix.

 

custom 3" downpipe/wastegate pipe on custom flange.

 

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3" mandrel bent downpipe

 

Which would you prefer? I personally love crimp bends

 

no contest

 

 

lil bigger than originally planned for .. but still fits perfectly..

 

long too...

 

I had some exhaust pipes made for my wagon. They are like mandrel bent but odd. Still nice smooth bends but there is a hump after each bend. Like crimped but in reverse, it bulges out and is only 1in wide 1/2in tall.

 

yeah, the welds on ours was ground down to the best of the ability due to the metal used.. we had to do it this way to figure out the direction the pipe needed to go.. now, we can take this mock-up, and bend one piece of 3" SS pipe (mandrel of course) to make a nice smooth flow.. next comes welding on the flanges so it can be removed...

 

Oh man.. I watched it come together, and even the pic still looks absolutely gorgeous...

 

Wow... serious lack of responses. What do you guys think of the mandrel downpipe + O2 housing for the turbo kit?

 

they hate it... oh well.. scrapping the project then. pitty..

D, save the turbo and wastegate flange, i can modify it to fit on my lawn mower.. turbo 1.3?

 

i thought it looked freakin sexy boys!!! i just havent been on much (darn campus internet sucks). keep up the good work. that stuff looks nice for custom work. i cant wait to get good at welding, lol.

 

im definitly interested in this project keep up the good work id love to turbo my 3.1 5 speed

 

I'm loving it. I just want to know when you're going to get it in and have some numbers and times for us! Things look sweet.

 

i've been busy the last few days but i think it all looks good. i can't wait to see it in person once you get it done! i also can't wait to see if my newly boxed in LCAs help my car any!

 

Boxed LCAs? Can't hurt! Launch harder!

Everything you saw above is in the car. Now working on the mandrel bent intake side.


And then what's left?

 

is that tires spinning then smoking or the turbo spooling then smoking?? lol....j/k how much longer do you think it'll take to get 'er all done??

 

well now doward is working 10+ hours a day, we had an unexpected finance of putting in a fuel pump.. (corvette?) and we have the earthday birthday concert to go to this weekend.. and well any event sponsored by budweiser and jose cuervo is a good event to have fun forgetting...

We'll map out the intake side, ill mount the IC doward will finish the progging on the chip, and then its just a matter of putting hose to turbo .

 

What "earthday birthday" and your building a smog machine turbo? Don't let anyone know that while your there. I bet they will be slashing tires of any SUVs that show up. That green party is nuts. How many hummer dealerships have gone ablaze???

 

ok, you're from ohio, so ill let it slide...

hell no im not some tree-hugger..

Earthday Birthday is a concert put on by a local radio station in orlando.. 30 bands total http://realrock1011.com/main.html# click on EDBD link to see who's playing...

it celebrates the radio station's birthday which happen to fall on earth day.

 

OK I though you were going to some hippy earth day thing.

So have you ever been to ghost hill? seen it on tv today. its a hill that you stop at the bottom and your car will roll backwards. Like a 10* incline you go up.

 

No posts by Doward/Vortex today? I thought you guys were "on the verge" of running it boosted.

 

um.. no. no verge about it..

see above re: no time this week.

it will get done.. no worries there.. we're working on it.... psst.. with beer!

 

Okay... maybe not "on the verge". Can you believe how demanding we are?!? This is your project and everyone who has not turboed their V6 is calling for numbers. Shameful. :hail: We're not worthy! We're not worth! (Wayne and Garth)

 

LOL... bad fuel pump turned out to be a bad pigtail - grounding on itself.

Figures... project rollin' on!

 

I had a similar problem. Pump was good, but connections inside the tank were not.

 

Ive been so busy with school i havent been on the board much but you guys have made quite a bit of progress since i was last ehre.......im definitly interested when yous come out with a kit. Keep me posted my motor is crying for a turbo.:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

 

not all hippies are bad...a lot of them have really good green...grass...yeah...i've said enough...keep the project goin guys...and can we get some movies when she gets rollin??

 

soooo... how much has all this cost so far... parts and labor.... not including the damage caused by the first attempt... something about a trailer, right?

Is there a ballpark cost of this kit? like $0-$500... $500-$1000... or like $2000+?

I'm really interested in this kit, because I was stupid and payed like $2500 for an engine rebuild a few months ago.... and my car is still slow... as hell...

If you supplied the cheaper pipes and whatever else you will need to fabricate, and left the turbo and whatever else out of the kit (as an option, obviously) then maybe with the "Easy as 1-2-3" instructions for install could recommend what turbo, and other parts that we would need to get... (For people like me who know nothing about turbos...)

Does anyone know if a freshly-rebuilt motor will hold higher boost, or last longer etc? Or does it depend mostly on the intake manifold etc?

 

I was thinking a nice movie of a big smokey turbo-induced burnout would be nice!

 

That thing got a Hemi?

 

yup.. soon it'll be hemi see ifn i can whoop me a vette.

 

What has a HEMI in it???

 

Sweet!

 

Cost on this, for us to R&D it? If we charged a shop rate, the labor itself would be tens of thousands, if not more - we've got more than a year into this project!

The kit will be 2 versions - bolt 'n go, and DIY - the DIY contains the electrical side of things, and everything else, minus the turbo + intake side - you do your own intercooler, and turbo!

Price? Well, once we get through (and we both deem it ready to be sold) I want to run a group purchase, at practically cost, to get this rolling (and so that if this turns out to be another *I want, I want, but I don't want to pay!* V and I aren't really out anything, and the ones that DO pony up, will get a nice fat discount! The first 3-5 (more than likely) will prolly be about $2300 or so, depending. After that, they will be about $3200, so that we can start work on other V6 projects (how about a new intake!?)

 

BTW - a fresh engine will handle more boost, longer, than a worn out, 200k mile motor!

 

would it be necessary to do any major work on the motor to make it a reliable daily driver WITH a turbo?

Does 6-10 psi seem a bit too much for a plain setup?

I don't think I would run much more unless it was safe.

 

actually it will run fine as a boosted DD.. we had it running on 6-8 on a really bad-off 2.8. however, the stipulation will be a lower mileage engine... we did rebuild the engine for the new project. so id say up to 75,000 miles or where you would switch to 20w-50 is where id be a little cautious.. far as i know these engines haven't really been tested, strength wise. so what the final pressures could be is really unknown. Im thinking we make us a nice lil backup and hmm.. "gee Mr. Wizard... whats this manual boost controller do?"

 

bah I was running 20w50 because I thought I heard a clatter... then I took it back to the shop and said, WTF I paid for this to not suck, and then now it works with 10w30...

so you think that with 6-8psi you could still get around 75,000 miles out of a freshly rebuilt engine?

I wonder if it would even be worth it performance-wise to get the turbo if you are only going to do 7psi. Maybe at the same time you should put in stronger seals etc or else this could be a very expensive upgrade dollar per hp.

Is it the intake manifold that has problems after 75,000? Or is it the entire engine? Is it basically any part of the engine that compresses this extra air in the motor? Piston rings and the like?

 

I guess I would at least switch in a new cam at the very least... that would be the only necessary performance upgrade along with the turbo, right?

 

stock cam will be just fine with a turbo.. I have high hopes that one day you folks will figure out Naturally Aspirated cam physics and Turbo cam physics don't mix....

This site has few paragraphs on Turbo cam theory... don't know where the site I used to have bookmarked is anymore. http://www.dune-buggy.com/turbo/enginebasics.htm

 

The article talks about turbo'd engines wanting a cam that will lower the backpressure to help the tubo psi to get to the cylinder better... is this a minute problem with the low boost that we will be running?

You say that we don't need a new one.. but obviously there would be a cam that would be a good upgrade with a turbo, right?

 

I would not worry about miles.

If it still runs good, boost it. if it run like crap build it.

These engines last forever with little power lose.
On ones taken care of anyways.

 

Oh no, we are NOT going to discuss turbo cams vs n/a cams.

If you compare a *****-out N/A cam, to a ***** out turbo cam, YES, they are vastly different.

In a not-so-*****-out application (such as this. We're going for 235-250rwhp, not 750.) it makes NO FRIGGEN DIFFERENCE what you use.

The MTC-5 camshaft is VERY well developed for up to around 15 psi of boost. That is why I chose it.

I'm sorry, but if you've got 30+ psi of exhaust backpressure in your turbo, under 15psi of boost, then you've got way too small of a turbo, plan and simple.