Sold the 16g for $320
Picked up a T61 for $330.

Great. Like that poor back wheel had a chance to start with.

Ordered a billet aluminum oil feed flange, and oil return flange. Also ordered a laser cut 1/2" flange, T3. Here goes nothing... just gotta order the new 2.5" mandrel bends next week.

 

*starts playing a funeral march for Doward's clutch and/or transmission*

 

Poor tire.....

You need posi. :lala:

 

Posi will destroy his entire drivetrain. At this point, the spinning tire is probably the only reason he hasn't ripped his clutch apart at the seams or snapped his input shaft.

Torque doesn't break things... traction does.

 

It'll go out in a blaze!!!


Final goal is 500rwhp from the 3.1L.

 

Final goal is 500rwhp from the 3.1L. [/B][/QUOTE]


what did i miss???

 

I laid down 222/291 at the wheels with a 16g.

Now comes a T61, then a wideband O2 (OMG REAL TUNING YAY), then new intake/throttle body (by this point, I expect to be pushing 320-340hp @ 12psi on a STOCK 3.1! Provided I don't blow it up, of course )

Then comes the GEN III head swap, forged turbo pistons, and 3100 intake base + custom plenum Oh yeah, and 18psi.

 

and when that blows up..... 24psi on 3.4 block

 

I don't think I'll blow up a forged 3.1! I do plan on finding the weak point in the main caps tho

 

I think i'll blow my credit trying to purchase your turbo =]

 

90cam....... thats an understatmen!!!!!

Doward what is your time tbl looking like for this 3.1 project????

my motor & tranny are just about 70% dead (needs a lot of love)and i was thinking about just letting it die then swapping up to an LS series but if can get you rplan up and running with anywhere near those numbers then i guess it'll be time for a little rebuild

Doward style!

 

Man, I am beginning to seriously consider scrapping my built v8 idea and go with a 3.1 and Doward's turbo.

EDIT: It would definitely be worth it just to see the reaction of everyone who ever told me "shoulda gotten the v8".

 

EDIT: It would definitely be worth it just to see the reaction of everyone who ever told me "shoulda gotten the v8". [/B][/QUOTE]


Let's think about this........

them:


us:

 

Price is still sitting around $2900. Feb 25th is looking to be the start date

Yes, working on the 3.1 setup (SD) as we speak!

 

What is a better starting point? 2.8, 3.1, or 3.4?

I'll probably be swapping in a 3.4 soon, but if a 3.1 is better for turbo ill get that. And im going to have to figure out a neat way to get around visual smog checks.

 

The 3.4 has higer compression, and larger displacement, therefore will yield more torque. I've heard of 5 psi on a 3.4 making close to 300hp... You'd have to check out Tiagos stuff tho, Doward hasn't messed with the 3.4 yet....but he will .
I'm still waiting to see this new intake manifold Doward....

 

It's coming...

For now.... gaze on this...




Yes, I know it says 'super T70' Whatever. It's a 60.5mm Garrett T61 wheel.

 

 

that makes me happier than a bachelor at a strip club and dances and booze is free, lol

and who says i dont prioritize

 

is there going to be a group buy on the turbo? and how long till you have a 3.1 setup ecm wise?

 

There will be a group buy... well, undecided - there WILL be a group buy, but due to various things outside my own control *cough* TGO's rules *cough* I may very well simply open an online store of custom built 60º V6 performance parts.

The Turbo GP will be the first major undertaking.

Time until '730 completion? I aim to be speed density based, by February.

 

so...when the group purchase happens...::cough:: will it have the 730' avaliable?

 

Absolutely. I believe I will be including it standard in the kit, unless someone WANTS to stay MAF based.

 

awesome. i am really trying to get some money for this! ...just need to do alittle work/begging/selling

 

Feb 25th looks like it'll be the date I open this all. So yeah, we'll all have income tax coming in, and YES, I will be able to take credit cards!

 

Interesting . . .

 

dammit!

and while my camaro was down for a month i had to pay 1800 for a rental car right onto my amex that coulda been my turbo right there

 

For that price you coulda bought another third gen...and you would've had it longer than a month.

 

i know but i had to get to work or the rent wouldnt get paid and i also wouldnt get a college credit

 

Ever heard of 100 dollar beater? Buy one when it blows buy another? Ive had my latest beater for a year now. 85 sunbird still runs great 330k miles. 3rd gear is questionable. Theres mushrooms growing in the back. 17 dollar flat black spray job. Its its never let me down.

 

Congrats Doward. I am REALLY looking forward to seeing a potent V6. I hope you can make it an LS1 killer.

What calibration are you planning to use for tuning? The GTP bin?

 

GTP bin for Doward, sy/ty here... one of these days I need to get around to doing the math for a base tune of my setup. Doward, on the other hand, is cheating, and is starting with a base tune

Has the GTP bin been reverse engineered in the public domain yet?

 

Not that I'm aware of.... if it has, I might have to go a different route. Road less traveled and all that

Btw - TGP, not GTP

 

Well, it's for the 68HC11 series, so disassembly isn't an earth shattering concept. If it hasn't, rest assured I'll blow the lid on it

 

My dyslexia is kicking in again. I am used to the Calibration ID code.

 

Or I could just go "Hey, someone already made a $8F hack... duh" ... cuz someone did.

When TunerPro 4 is released (it's overdue by 3 days) I'll start work on an open format definition for it using the new tunerpro definition system... help keep folks buying the turbo kit from getting stuck purchasing TunerCATS or, deity forbid, GMPCM *shudder*.

EDIT: Sorry Doward.. since there's already a public domain hack, it's kinda hard to say you're pioneering the $8F usage. Welcome to normalcy.

 

DAMMIT!!!

Ok, I'm going to have to find a different route.

Actually, I probably won't do that. I really like the idea of the '730 + $8F code. It's less common than the $58, and, IMHO, a touch more powerful.

 

Having the hack on hand, I'm gonna have to compare it to Grumpy's $58 hack and see which route I really want to go... I'm gonna get one heck of a headache off this.

 

Yanno, you could save me the trouble of finding it, and send it this way... I'd like to compare it to the TDF I've got of the $8F, and see if TunerCat might be able to add anything to it

 

so ~$2900 comes with EVERYTHING needed to make a stock 3.1mpfi thirdgen into a Fire-Breathing beast??

turbo
intercooler
wastegate
headers
custom piping

anything else??

I might have to sell my car to buy your turbo setup... then when I can afford it later, I'll buy another thirdgen... jk yeah right I can't live without my firebird

 

Correct.

 

$8f code from the tgp tunes like driving on ice. better to run with $58 also you wont have to play with the settings for spark advance to get it running properly.

 

The road less traveled, my man...

 

Does anyone know what a better deal would be... using my freshly rebuilt v6 with a $2900 turbo kit, or buying another v8 car for the same price and just having two cars??? -- I hear that the 350's are suprisingly easy to rebuilt by yourself.... but even with a rebuilt v8 I wonder if it could match Doward's 400+ rwhp?


considering that now I've invested close to $6,000 into this damn car, there's NO CHANCE I'm gonna sell it.... so either I upgrade it with a turbo (only worthwile upgrade,) or get a v8 car to beef up.

 

I'd go the turbo route, I mean... how many V8 Camaros vs how many turbo V6 Camaros do you see??

Besides... Increasing power past the standard V8 involves more $$$ and parts swapping (new heads, cam, headers, etc)

On a turbo motor, it's just as easy as turning a **** for more power

 

Quick question, How long do you plan on the kit being available or will it be a limited run thing? Im probably like alot of people that dont have the money now but will later on, just curious.

 

I'm going to do a big group purchase, to start with - right around tax return time, to help with the lack of money problem.

Will I be doing them later? Possibly. I'm doing this one big one (aka, putting aside the time/resources to do it) for the V6 community - after this, I *might* do some more, but people will have to work around MY schedule, then.

 

Quick update...

The T3 flange to 2.5" round pipe is complete, and I'm now measuring out a bracket for the T61... it's blasted cold here in Sunny Florida, so not much going toward the turbo right now

 

so we can use our stock heads and see possibly 300hp or does the kit come with new ones or whats the deal with that?

 

doward, u think its cold down there, come up to ct. we got close to a foot of snow last night, and expecting more tonight and wednesday,lol plus its like 20 degrees out.