Its me again, help?
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From: Belchertown MA
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
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Its me again, help?
My car refuses to start. Heres more on it.
I have new injectors on the way, but being told its probably not that.
http://www.ctfba.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3321
If anyone can help that would be awesome
I have new injectors on the way, but being told its probably not that.
http://www.ctfba.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3321
If anyone can help that would be awesome
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From: Gainesville, FL
Car: 1988 Chevy Camaro Hardtop
Engine: Turbocharged/Intercooled 3.1
Transmission: World Class T5 5 Speed
Probably flooding out, if you've got a good strong spark, I'd suspect the fuel injectors.
Do this - Hold your throttle to the floor while cranking, see if it tries to fire up then.
If so, I'd suspect bad injectors.
Send them to Rich @ Cruizinperformance... like $75 total for all 6 injectors, and OH MAN what a difference!
Do this - Hold your throttle to the floor while cranking, see if it tries to fire up then.
If so, I'd suspect bad injectors.
Send them to Rich @ Cruizinperformance... like $75 total for all 6 injectors, and OH MAN what a difference!
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Check spark and fuel first. Remember when I told you about the fuel pump. is it working? Are the sparkplug wires connected to the right cylinder and distributor point?
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Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
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It been sitting over night so i will try starting it regularly. Turn it over twice though, not alot and see what happens. If nothing, i will try clear flood mood. I could injectors really just make a car completely die like that?
Fuel pump is priming up and its getting plenty of it because I can smell it
The wires are fine because i checked and it ran fine when I parked it.
How long were they gone for? This is a daily driver and right now I'm screwed. I can go maybe two weeks or so if that. Right now the car is at work and i need to get it hoem somehow. I hope it starts when I go in today at 3, I'll try and let you guys know what happens. Thanks again
Check spark and fuel first. Remember when I told you about the fuel pump. is it working? Are the sparkplug wires connected to the right cylinder and distributor point?
The wires are fine because i checked and it ran fine when I parked it.
Send them to Rich @ Cruizinperformance... like $75 total for all 6 injectors, and OH MAN what a difference!
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Car: 1988 Chevy Camaro Hardtop
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Transmission: World Class T5 5 Speed
Gone like a week... sent them priority mail to him! Does a great job, good turn around that I've seen. I've sent 2 sets of injectors to him.
As a matter of fact, I might have a set of fresh 15pph injectors around here I could sell ya
As a matter of fact, I might have a set of fresh 15pph injectors around here I could sell ya
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From: Belchertown MA
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
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Transmission: 5 Spd
Well I messed with it tonight for about 2 hours. The car has NO spark, I don't know what I was talking about before LOL. There none coming from the coil going to the dist. I put my old coil on that was in good shape and nothing also. So for some reason its not getting any spark there. I'm positive that is why its not starting. Are there any relays there or anything? I also checked my fuses, which are fine. The car did this a couple other times but it started, seems like something just quit.
I got the car home though . Prob the must illegal and sad way though.
My neighbor came down and said lets push her home. So i said whatever. My car doesn't have the best of paint anyway. So he pushed me about 3-5 miles home. So its home My bumper is pretty beat up though And guess what car pushed? A 1995 Impala SS. His front bumper is also very scatched and bent in But he was willing to help. GREAT GUY FOR DOING THAT, WITH THAT CAR!!!
I got the car home though . Prob the must illegal and sad way though.
My neighbor came down and said lets push her home. So i said whatever. My car doesn't have the best of paint anyway. So he pushed me about 3-5 miles home. So its home My bumper is pretty beat up though And guess what car pushed? A 1995 Impala SS. His front bumper is also very scatched and bent in But he was willing to help. GREAT GUY FOR DOING THAT, WITH THAT CAR!!!
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Car: 1988 Chevy Camaro Hardtop
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Transmission: World Class T5 5 Speed
The injectors were redone almost a year ago, but have never left the package... they were redone by Rich @ Cruizin Performance. 
Figure $50 shipped for all 6.
As far as no spark, try this - remove the coil wire from the center of the distributor cap, and use a spark tester (like $6 @ Autozone) to make sure you are getting spark out of the coil.
If not, then remove the distributor cap (and all the wires) and make sure that when you are turning over teh car, that the rotor IS TURNING. If the rotor (under the cap of the distributor) is not moving, you've got a busted timing chain.
If it is moving, then you need to check that the wires to the ignition module are hooked up, and in good condition - while the cap is off, CHECK THE PICK UP COIL. If it looks trashed, then figure on rebuilding the distributor. Not a difficult task, but it is kind of time consuming.
Yank out the ignition module, and bring it to Autozone (the ICM is the little box looking thing, that has 2 plugs into on the plate of the distributor - two small bolts hold it down.) Have them test the ICM. If it's bad, replace it. The check is free.
If everything up to this point checks out GOOD, then your coil is not getting the correct power/grounding that it needs. Check the 4 wires that plug into the coil for breaks.
That's about all I can think of, for fixing a no spark condition.

Figure $50 shipped for all 6.

As far as no spark, try this - remove the coil wire from the center of the distributor cap, and use a spark tester (like $6 @ Autozone) to make sure you are getting spark out of the coil.
If not, then remove the distributor cap (and all the wires) and make sure that when you are turning over teh car, that the rotor IS TURNING. If the rotor (under the cap of the distributor) is not moving, you've got a busted timing chain.
If it is moving, then you need to check that the wires to the ignition module are hooked up, and in good condition - while the cap is off, CHECK THE PICK UP COIL. If it looks trashed, then figure on rebuilding the distributor. Not a difficult task, but it is kind of time consuming.
Yank out the ignition module, and bring it to Autozone (the ICM is the little box looking thing, that has 2 plugs into on the plate of the distributor - two small bolts hold it down.) Have them test the ICM. If it's bad, replace it. The check is free.
If everything up to this point checks out GOOD, then your coil is not getting the correct power/grounding that it needs. Check the 4 wires that plug into the coil for breaks.
That's about all I can think of, for fixing a no spark condition.
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Thanks man. I want those injectors
They are 15 lbs stock ones right for the 2.8. Is so I want them. This will help me out a ton man
Sweet!
If I have no spark at the coil, that could be items in the dist? I have no spark coming from the coil. I tested the plug thats on top of the coil running to the middle plug on top of the dist. cap. I tested there and nothing. SO it could still be the ICM? I have the orginal that I will give a shot and see what happens if it could still be there. The only thing is it does have a rebuilt dist. So the ICM is new but it can go bad right? The ignition module is also new, can that go bad? Thanks again
They are 15 lbs stock ones right for the 2.8. Is so I want them. This will help me out a ton man
Sweet! If I have no spark at the coil, that could be items in the dist? I have no spark coming from the coil. I tested the plug thats on top of the coil running to the middle plug on top of the dist. cap. I tested there and nothing. SO it could still be the ICM? I have the orginal that I will give a shot and see what happens if it could still be there. The only thing is it does have a rebuilt dist. So the ICM is new but it can go bad right? The ignition module is also new, can that go bad? Thanks again
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Ok, just let me know when you want them. They are 15pph, yes. You can PayPal teh money to Doward@***.net
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Could also be the ignition module inside the distributor (screwed down to the base plate).
Might went out while driving down the road, wouldn't restart until I replaced it. Autozone/etc. can check them for you for free to see if yours is bad before buying a new one.
Let us know what ends up being the solution!
Might went out while driving down the road, wouldn't restart until I replaced it. Autozone/etc. can check them for you for free to see if yours is bad before buying a new one.
Let us know what ends up being the solution!
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From: Belchertown MA
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird
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IT RUNS! ICM. You guys are good. The only weird thing is, is that it is only about 6 months old, and i thought that power went to the coil and then to the dist, i guess I was wronge there. I would have never of guess this. Thanks guys. I'm really thankful for having thirdgen.org and people like you
Thanks again
Thanks again Supreme Member
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Transmission: Built '97 T56, Pro 5.0, CF-DF
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Hmmm... guess I've done my good deed for the day - Glad it worked out for you!!!!!



