Since we have the sticky up top, any questions on the group purchase?

It's running from now, until March 31st... Need at least 10 people in it.

Does anyone mind if I list them, when they purchase them?

so the 3.1 guys can or cant purchase yet? hows that gonna work

and are you sure you wont be doing it again, say if you could get another 10 for another group purchase at another date, cuz unfortunatly for me i dont have the new engine in yet nor do i have the money

Same here. I want to get a 3.4, rebuild it, and put it in before a turbo and I'm not even close to that.

i understand not having the money. but, if you're wanting to get the kit later just because you don't have the engine ready, i would buy the turbo and just let it sit until the engine is ready for it.

The 3.1 guys can buy the kit now, yes... The ECM electronics to run it, though, aren't going to be ready until mid-March, though, so some of you may want to wait.

Yes, unfortuneatly, due to the HUGE undertaking this is, I sincerely doubt I will have time again to do this. And the cost of building just one kit, including labor, will be approx $3700.

Keep in mind, too, guys... we've got over a month to get the $ together

No questions/comments/concerns?

well, i have a small concern that my bird is never gonna get turbo'd.

any chance that a year or two down the road i could hit you up for some know-how on the whole setup, maybe a prom, or whatever? id much rather pay you for a solid concept and have all the grunt labor done by other people/myself than spend a year repioneering what you've already done. And there is absolutely no chance in hell im going to be able to gut it now

although while i would already be bribing to get it to pass a visual, maybe id be better off stuffing my pontiac in it.

I will give a personal response that might not be to Dowards liking but I feel it is not the place on these boards to sell something for profit unless its a board sponsor paying money for the advertisement of goods.

Anytime I have done a project (and I have done several custom things around here), I always document the build process, give all specs, and list all parts and costs individually for other members to copy the design free of charge- I thought that was the whole premise of these boards.

Besides- I thought you would know enough that you'll never in a million years find 10 guys with V6's to do a group purchase especially for $3000 ea- Hell, not even for $300 would you get 10 guys around here. Most have a V6 because they were on a budget to begin with otherwise they would have paid more money for a V8.

Just a fair and honest opinion.

Dean.

Not a problem Dean, that's why I started this thread, after all!

If someone were able to just come pick one up, then yeah, I'd be selling to them at $2950. My ACTUAL cost in parts is $2820, so I thought hey... I'll make $130 for each kit I put together! If I were actually making anything on it, I wouldn't be concerned about the PayPal fees... as a matter of fact, I could very well have said "$3050" for the kits, to just 'take up' the fees - but that wouldn't be honest, and that's not how I operate.

I'm just a single guy on these boards, that's put a hell of a lot of effort into something really special, and I know that there are MANY out there, that don't have the time/know how to duplicate my kit - that's why I'm selling these - no need to run down all the little parts, everything is together.

Is that worth $130 to you?

As far as getting 10 people into this... I don't know. I've had quite a few people PM me in the past about getting a turbo kit, but so far nobody's actually signed up for the Group Purchase...

If I don't get 10 people together, no big deal. I'm not out any money, I'll just have a few people kinda pissed that I convinced them that the V6 community actually WANTED some performance

If I haven't been forthcoming in any knowledge I have, or have obtained, on these boards, though, please - tell me

when u gonna post a pic of this setup?....

Look at the sticky thread up top, for some pictures... I'll be posting more pictures soon Should be within the week....

I think we all remember how you feel about anything Dean. You have no opinion unless there is something negtaive to add. I am 100% sure, they thought of that before giving him a sticky. and actualy its why the original thread was locked, until the mods decided if it was board worthy.

2 cents


Oh and Doward

is there gonna be a monthly installment plan???
$300 a month for 12 months???

Actually, I DO hold Dean's opinion in pretty high regard - he'll tell you exactly like he sees it, and won't sugarcoat it at all - I like that

As far as payments, it'd have to be paid in full before the 31st of March

Let me try and clarify better what my main concern is- So far a few have stated that it definately is a money issue. My thoughts are that if you could maybe in the future possibly list the exact pieces that are needed for anyone in the future to duplicate what you have accomplished.

Reason is, is that many may have the ability to say obtain a turbo here, a BOV there, etc... and maybe don't need the entire kit as offered. You could always help them with the pieces to the puzzle that most can't on their own (Like my weakness of being ECM illiterate) There are possibly some here that could piece together their own kits from otherwise obtained parts and could only complete such a process financially with such critical technical subcontracting like promburning etc.

I fully understand that its alot of effort that you put into it and it is always nice in this world to profit off of something. but in the given context of this being a tech help board I don't think it is morally correct to not share the offer freely but yet state that if anyone would like further assistance in you completeing the offered kit entirely that they may contact you for that service if wanted.

I am not being a hypocrate as you know, I offered my one-off brake package for any and all to duplicate free of charges with detailed bracket specs, etc. There are several parts I could have kept hidden and said to contact me if you want to buy those specific pieces- I never did that, yet I have had many ask if I would have them madeup and sell them so they did not have to hassle getting something fouled up.

I posted the info so its in the archieves for all to benefit regardless of my personal profit. thats all I am saying, and with that, it would be asshamed for anyone to miss out in a future project because they could not meet the deadline group purchase.

You make a good point, Dean.... updating the Sticky now

If anyone wants a kit, and already has some parts of the puzzle, let me know, and I'll see what I can do

Hey Dean, email me, got somethin to show ya.

For anyone interested, I heard from the wastegate supplier, that they're going to cut $50 per WG off the price, since I'll be ordering a minimum of 10! Passin' the savings along

those pictures dont really show much of anything...i was looking for some installed shots of the engine.

I should have some within the week, with the T61 in it

I for one, am very happy that it even came this far. He has done a huge service to the 60* V6 community in offering such a readymade product. I'm one of those poor blokes who can't afford 3K, if I DID have it, I'd scoop up Dowards packaged deal. Unfortunaely, I couldn't even use it without converting my entire harness and ECM to a newer setup (I have the cursed one...I don't even know the number, I jsut know nobody has touched its code, nor is there a reader/burner for my PROM). Anyhow, the info will always be there for those who want to run boost, he's not hiding anything. I amde the mistake of running Nitrous, Now I thoroughly addicted....cool thing is, I don't think this motor will ever have a problem holding the gas. Anyhow, I'm just glad people have done it, and that SOMEBODY offered such a setup kit.

Agreed...Great job Doward.

If only I had money.

No problem. If there's actually REAL DESIRE for some performance parts for our V6s, I'll be building intake/throttle bodies, and some 2lbs LCAs

Whats an "LCA"?

Lower Control Arms.

My e-mail button is active below.

If the price is right, and the intake is what I'm hoping for, I will buy one 100% sure. I jsut hope my fuel doesn't puddle in it :P

amen to that, i'll defintely be able to afford an intake or tb.

Ill take a Perf TB.Under $300?

Should end up being an intake and TB combo... no word on pricing yet. Seeing how the turbo kits do, at least as far as feedback and all, to see how many are really interested in performance V6 parts.

i'd really hate to see you scrap the intake tb combo because of lack of turbo selling, as much as all of us would love to have this kit, i doubt anyone on here has 3 grand for it. if you offered it again in a year and we knew about it now, i still doubt it. however the intake and tb is something most who are serious can afford(myself included)

just my 2 cents

LOL, Perhaps, Kretos, but I won't have the time in a year to do another. Besides, I've been saying for the past year that I've been working on it, that I'll be selling kits, right around the $3k mark.

Hope to have pics by Wednesday of the setup

doward, i do not think it is lack of demanmd for the perf. parts i am alomost positive that its cost, like the turbo kit, as for me getting one with my settlement, well, not happening, as like u, i got engaged,lol but a tb,intake i could swing
i wish u could make certain parts of the turbo kit availible and maybe the instructions, because then we could each build our own kits to suit our own needs, possibly using used turbo and waste gates to fit our budget, man u have a great mind, but like the resty of us, no time, hey heres and idea, why not patent the turbo kit and lease the patent to a turbo kit company

As a matter of fact, I think I mentioned in the sticky, that if you just wanted PART of the kit, to let me know, and we could do a partial kit, if that's what you wanted.

Would throttle bodies really make a difference on measly little v6's?

I'd suggest changing the GP to a hot parts and maybe cold parts deal, or hot cold and intercooler, the rest of the kit would be easily able to be purchased later for everyone, should help sales with those who cant quite cough up 3k at the moment.

If anyone wants any certain parts of the kits (pipes, brackets, etc) just let me know

i agree make some packages...like everything but turbo and intercooler...and a few others maybe just to get some price ranges out there

Options sell stuff.
I say some company "cartuning" or some thing like that is about to start selling them for the 3.8 camaro. It came with all kinds of crap people didn't want, like a new cat, only one kind of trubo and waste gate and bov. You have to buy it all if you want the kit.
If you sold partial kits and stuff like that you will sell more stuff.

If anyone's curious -

$1495 for the kit minus the 'hard parts' - turbo/wastegate/intercooler/blow off valve.

That should make things a little easier on some of you guys, too... got 6 so far that are interested - 4 more needed

I'm waiting for the CAI/TB.....

Doward, Give me an e-mail im in for 2 kits

CAI comes with the kit

$1265, for the kit minus the hard parts, and without the chip/injectors... for you guys that are building your motors currently, or won't have them done in time - the turbos, intercoolers, wastegates, BOVs, fuel injectors, and chips - I can get all that within a weekend to send out, or people are free to get their own

pictures of it yet?

They're coming... patience, young paddawon

roger that.

My math suks now a days, how much are hardparts themselves?