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Old May 21, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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Emission Legal Rebuild

Sup Guys, My tired old 2.8 is about due for a rebuild. I was hoping to do a little bit of upgrading while i was at it. The problem i have here in Ga. is emissions.

Heres what i was thinking. As far as michine work, basic balance and blueprinting,.30 over pistons, Mild emissions legal cam, Head work( port and polish), valve job and roller rockers. Ignition upgrade and bigger injectors. Headers and exaust.

I could use some tips on what components i should use that will keep it emission legal. Any and all help is appreciated.
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Old May 22, 2006 | 07:07 PM
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I stopped by the Summit store today and talked to a tech, he printed me out a basic list of emission legal parts i can use.



Dynomax Super Turbo Exhaust Systems WLK-17493
Pace Setter Headers PSM-70-1206
Edelbrock Performer-Plus Cam and Lifter Kits EDL-3790
MagnaFlow Direct-Fit Catalytic Converters MPE-93456
Competition Cams Magnum Steel Roller Tip Rockers CCA-1414-1
Hypertech ThermoMaster Computer Chips HYP-128932
Federal Mogul Engine Rebuild Kits FEM-MHP122-300
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Old May 22, 2006 | 09:45 PM
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thats exactly what im going to do, except add the accel fuel injectors off of summit, i already have the dynomax ultra flow system (315 bux on ebay) i spent the little extra over the super turbo, nice system...minus the lower end rebuild, as i only have 72k
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Old May 23, 2006 | 05:52 PM
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I wanted to add the Accel injectors also, They offer 15, 17, 19, and 21 lb, Im new to all this fuel injection and emissions stuff so im not sure what i really need. I would hate to spend all this time and money only to find out i cant get a tag.
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Old May 23, 2006 | 06:25 PM
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Drop a 3.4 in it
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Old May 23, 2006 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Doward
Drop a 3.4 in it

Sup Doward, yeah i concidered various swaps but after crunching the numbers i came to the conclusion that i would be better off keeping what i have for now. I dont mind the 2.8 actually its been pretty good so far. I got the car with 110k and between my son and i we put on another 80k. Its got a new tranny with only 4k on it and most of the other parts are fairly new, Im pretty much youthfully challanged so my driving is pretty conservative lol. I have another camaro im building so i dont need a fire breathing 1/4 mile monster. I love the car and mostly use it as a weekend driver.Its soooo comfortable to drive. I pull around my dirt bikes so it would be nice to take off from a light and not feel like your dragging an anchor. Im not looking for rubber melting power but it would be nice not to be passed by rv's. It's exempt from emissions in 6 years so maybe then ill build up something worth bragging about but for now id like to stick with what i have.
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Old May 23, 2006 | 08:19 PM
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anything that's not stock technically needs to have an E.O. number to pass, that's if Gerogia has adopted CA emissions regs, like I think they have.

Anything INTERNAL you can change and no one will have any idea, as long as it passes sniffer. It's when you start putting obvious external mods on that you start getting into trouble. For instance, why do you want to go from the stock injectors to the Accels? The stock injectors should be able to handle most of the mods that you're gonna do and still be legal anyway, but once you put the accels on, they'll stand out, then you'll have issues.
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Old May 23, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 2_point8_boy
why do you want to go from the stock injectors to the Accels? The stock injectors should be able to handle most of the mods that you're gonna do and still be legal anyway, but once you put the accels on, they'll stand out, then you'll have issues.

I have never seen them look under the hood as of yet, they stick the probe in the tail pipe and check the gas cap, no visual inspection. There was a guote from a Ga. state official in Car Craft not too long ago and he said "We dont care what you have under your hood as long as what comes out your tail pipe is clean".

Like i said in a previous post, All this injection/emission stuff is new to me, Im still in the process of researching what i need, what will work, what is useless and whats just for show. Im old school and trying to catch up. If i didnt love the car so much id sell it and drop all my cash into the 71 camaro sitting in my barn. I have no problem building non emission ride but with this 89 im lost.
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Old May 23, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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Sounds like GA is doing what should be done here. I'm a Smog Tech out here in CA, but think the same way as the GA officials do apparently, if it smells clean, pass it.

Every setup is different, so there's no way to garuntee that a vehicle will pass smog after you do a series of modifications to it. The best way to go about, and the way I recommend, is to only purchase parts that do have E.O. numbers and are 50 state legal because they have been "tested" to not raise the emissions a measurable amount, but the thing that you have to remember is that they don't raise the emissions, when they are done BY THEMSELVES on a stock engine. If you start doing multiple things, like Headers, Chip, Cam, etc, it might start causing problems that only ECM tuning can compensate for.

Just watch what you do and be careful on what you purchase.
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Old May 24, 2006 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 2_point8_boy

Every setup is different, so there's no way to garuntee that a vehicle will pass smog after you do a series of modifications to it. The best way to go about, and the way I recommend, is to only purchase parts that do have E.O. numbers and are 50 state legal because they have been "tested" to not raise the emissions a measurable amount, but the thing that you have to remember is that they don't raise the emissions, when they are done BY THEMSELVES on a stock engine. If you start doing multiple things, like Headers, Chip, Cam, etc, it might start causing problems that only ECM tuning can compensate for.

Ive talked to several people so far and im leaning toward doing a stock rebuild with a mild cam to start off with. I can always add things later on. I am just assuming ill need to go .30 over with the pistons but i wont know for sure until i tear it down. I think concidering the miles it has it will need boring. Headers,exaust and so on i can add one at a time,That way if it fails i can pin point the problem.

I was just wondering if the machine work (Boring,Port/head work/ could effect the emission test?
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Old May 24, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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It could, but it's not likely unless you have the heads milled and it raises the compression ratio. As long as you are just getting everything cleaned up, you should be just fine.
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