85f-bird

if you're thinking about a race, check out this site. I just found it, and it's pretty cool.
http://web.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html#Ford

every 1/4mile time you could want.



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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder.
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Those guys better check their information, because a lot of that isn't right. That says that an 87 IROC-Z28 350 L98 does 0-60 in 6.8 and 1/4 mile in 15.3?? It really did 0-60 in 6.2 and the 1/4 mile in 14.4 stock.

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Looking For:

87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O.

Jason E

Actually, 6.8 and 15.3 are not that far off at all for '87s. I have several 350 road tests from '87, and the range was from 6.2 to 6.9 for 0-60. I never have been able to figure out why there is such a large variation in the 0-60's of road tested 305 and 350 TPIs. Just must be production tolerances and test conditions.

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/2 K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston 746 4x6 plates and RX 6x9 3 ways/ALL Monster's goodies
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

I've seen many results for the L98's stock, and I haven't seen any of them in the 15's, only 14.2-14.6. 0-60 for them are 6.0-6.2. Then that article says another 87 IROC-Z, not saying its a 305, runs, 6.6 0-60 and 14.9 in the 1/4 mile?? How could that be when the L98 is the fastest engine in 87?? Here it is:

305????- 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 and 14.9

350- 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 and 15.3


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87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O.



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85f-bird

i was once told that a 305 with a manual transmission could take out a 350 with an auto. but have no actual proof of it.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

In 87 a 305 TPIs weren't faster than a 350 TPIs.

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87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O.

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85f-bird

well, i don't want this to be a point of conflict or anything. But i was reading their "fine print" and Copyright, in their it says that all the information they got came from Car & Driver, Motor Trend, and Road & Track. Now, we all also know that there are variations in test results from each of these magazines about the same cars. I can remember a Car & Driver where they got the Corvette to perform a 4.7 0-60, and another magazine could only get a 5.0flat. every mag has variations, and these could result in the variety of results composited on that site. But still, i think it can be a great resource for the street racer.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

I know what your saying, but to say that the 305 TPI is faster than a 350 TPI in 87 is ridiculous, maybe they have the times mixed up.

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87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O.

Jason E

Go to my website, www.geocities.com/jee89, and look under "Road Test Statistics" for the year you want, and scroll through the various tests I have. You may be very surprised at the results. And no, there are no typos!!!!!!!!

I've got some '88 350s being slower than '88 305s. Are they in reality? Overall throughout the years, the 350s have been faster than the 305s more often than not. But one thing is for sure...don't discount a 305 5 speed as a legitimate alternative.



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IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

U have a nice site. OK, lets get to the subject. Even on your site it has the 350 faster than the 305, which is right, when they are run at the same location and climate. A 350 is a 350, a 305 is a 305. More displacement means more HP and Torque. The 350 has 225 HP and 330 Torque. The 305 has 215 HP and 295 Torque. The advantage that the 350 has means that the 305 is not beating the 350 stock!! They are close yes, but those differences, no matter how much, make a difference with these kind of stats. If a 350 is slower than the 305 on any of those stats, u can be sure that they were run at different locations and the climate had something to do with it, but the 350 in 87, and I say that because these stats vary from 87-90, is faster than the 305 in 87, u can be sure of that.

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Looking For:

87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O.



[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited October 23, 2000).]

Jason E

Thanks for the kind words on the site! Its coming along...got a LONG way to go yet though.

I don't find fault with your theory at all. You are indeed correct, when tested at the same venue, the 350s are faster. The only points I was trying to make is that 6.8 and 15.3 weren't necessarily out of the realm of possibilities for a 350, and that many people are surprised how fast a 305 will run!

But I do agree, on a given day at the same track, the 350 should be faster.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, I really havent heard of a stock 350 running that slow unless it had high mileage. Maybe the climate could make 1 run those times, but that just seems too slow for them new and stock, so thats what it must have been. When they were being run for the times the climate must of had something to do with it and they kept the time and printed it, even though it isn't right. Every1 that has driven both, say the 350 feels and is much faster than the 305, even though the 305 is kinda fast too.

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87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O.

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85f-bird

that is a nice site Jason, i also agree with both of you. Even if you asked me what i'd want to own, a 305 or a 350 i'd always choose the 350. Becuase while at different locations the cars might perform the same, if i drive a 305 here in St. Louis, and then a 350 in the same city, that 350 is gonna rock. I don't know who to blame it on though, the car mags or the site. Anyway, i think that clears everything up.

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