Ok dont use a CAT one day it will catch up to you and notice how people who retore cars the cars are normaly pre 76 hmm funny how cats didnt come out til about 77 78 so someone is stupid and 20 years from now when our enviroment is all screwed up becasue people dont use cats ill blame it on red nekcs like you.. ALSO drag cars rund for 10 seconds when was the last time you went to 7-11 and saw a dragster or funny car in the parking lot hmm never.

 

I am with Pablo that backpressure is bad. Pablo is right about the scavenging but also the velocity aspect. That is why headers are better than no manifolds at all. The headers maintains velocity and the tuning aspect of the headers (especially full-length) allows the timing of the pulses to cause the scavenging effect.

This is why oversized headers can cause a drop in torque and hp.

As for the cat issue, I do agree with being enviromentally minded. But what about the rest of the world? What good does it do if the US makes all of its cars have cats and pollute less, and then countries like Mexico don't have any pollution laws whatsoever? Hell, they still produce the VW Beetle by the millions that cannot be sold in the US because it can't meet pollution standards (and safety). The INS cannot stop the polluted air from crossing the border.

 

well **** me in the goat *** , you 3rdgen.org boys have nothing better to do than start up new accounts to flame me and every single time you can count on my name being written in the post in BIG LETTERs

like well if you knew about such and such PABLO.. etc thats lame reminds me of middle school when the snitch kids would go "oooOOOooH PABLO" or whoever else they wanted to snitch on, i can tell it pleasures you though and im glad to be of service

sorry, i cant be an editor for beakmans world but what i meant to say was N20 not NOX
N20 is a greenhouse gas, not that i believe global warming exists anyways

and to the person with the handle of "Orange Rocket", maybe im just dumb, but as far as im concerned your post made no sense

 

and Jason E,
an environmental sciences course at school is the last place i wanna get my info (i know you werent speaking to me but just as a general statement here) on the environment. Fact is most of these "crisis" are BS fabricated by militant environmental movements, which the proffessors of such a class likely subscribe to.. Im all for clean air and water and whatnot, but no, we are not all going to die in 40 years because of every other thing the liberal whacko proffessor mentioned is supposed to happen (I took a class similar to that, what a joke)

[This message has been edited by Pablo (edited November 28, 2000).]

 

Valve float is caused by high pressure on the backside of a valve relative to low pressure on the chamber side of the valve, or more likely on just about any car, lack of spring pressure to pull the valve shut. If you have tons of backpressure, you are keeping the valve open, causing float. Sucking a valve... excessive spring pressures and RPM's will do that to any motor, regardless of the minimal air pressures involved.

As for the cat, is it really worth it? I guess thats something we each have to decide. If the cat isnt clogged, its functioning correctly and you arent going to gain much by taking it off. This is of course assuming you dont have one of those damn pellet filled cats, those suck. If its clogged, ill bet a dollar to a donut its causing more problems than its worth and should be replaced or gutted even, because I know the emissions in that case will drop. This is all kind of a moot point in light of what sorta emissions are dumped out by the billions of diesel trucks on the road, and our coal burning powerplants... and lets not forget industry. Cars are such a small percentage anymore.

 

Nope!!!!!!

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Posted by Pablo:
an environmental sciences course at school is the last place i wanna get my info (i know
you werent speaking to me but just as a general statement here) on the environment.
Fact is most of these "crisis" are BS fabricated by militant environmental movements, which the proffessors of such a class likely subscribe to.. Im all for clean air and water and whatnot, but no, we are not all going to die in 40 years because of every other thing the liberal whacko proffessor mentioned is supposed to happen (I took a class similar to that, what a joke)

Pablo,

Indeed I do agree that some professors are wacko (believe me, I've had my share ), and personally I don't subscribe to the belief that we will all die in 30 years either.

What I DO know is that there is such a thing as global warming, it IS getting worse, and while new cars are getting cleaner every year, taking the cat off an old one certainly isn't gonna help anything!! Like Fast RS said, how about we all go without one for awhile and see what happens...and it is true that dragsters ain't run for vey long.

I also agree with madmax that a plugged cat probably is worse than a gutted one...yet neither one is doing us any good

When I started defending the "non-gutting" of a cat, I had no idea it would snowball this far. And as for Orange Rocket, Pablo, no there is no conspiracy here with "us 3rdgen.org boys" making new names to flame you. He's a friend of mine I told about the site last night, and he (like me) got a little carried away

And don't worry...I told him his post didn't make any sense either

Kevin,

LMAO Glad to know I ain't the only one

 

"Ok dont use a CAT one day it will catch up to you and notice how people who retore cars the cars are normaly pre 76 hmm funny how cats didnt come out til about 77 78 so someone is stupid"
I said NON-STOCK RESTORATIONS! and cats came out in 1975 on most cars.

"and 20 years from now when our enviroment is all screwed up becasue people dont use cats ill blame it on red nekcs like you.."

Learn how to spell "red-neck" before you call someone that.

"ALSO drag cars rund for 10 seconds when was the last time you went to 7-11 and saw a dragster or funny car in the parking lot hmm never."

Drag cars run way more than 10 seconds at the track, some are driven there, some have to drive up to stage and back, some run while tuning, and not to mention they usually get more than one run. Anyway, my point was made.

 

seems like everytime monkie talks he creates a flame war

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Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, SS
Hand Made Tips, 3 1/4" out, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A Box
Currently Working On:
T5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!

1982 z28..
350 4bbl black leather inside and black outside...no mods yet except for maybe the exhaust from my firebird

 

Damn, Mac, did a cat drop on your foot or something? You're very adamant against them.

If a car that is registered with the DMV is federally required to have a catalytic converter, it should have a functioning one.

I'm assuming these restorers you mention have pre-smog era cars. Restoration usually involved putting the car back to "original", correct? And "non-stock" and "restored" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If it's not stock, and registered for the streets, and was federally required to have a cat, it should. Just because some restifiers don't include one doesn't make it justifiable.

I'll bet you felt an improvement from gutting your cat because it was breaking up inside, and clogging your exhaust flow. There's much more sensible ways to increase performance. Why, I'll bet if you put a high-flow CARB-legal catalytic on your car, you would've felt a power increase similar to that of your gutted unit.

Time to leave the mid-70's!

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[This message has been edited by TomP (edited November 28, 2000).]

 

yes...whatever tom said...hes da man if he cant do it nobody can

Good point Tom

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Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, SS
Hand Made Tips, 3 1/4" out, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A Box
Currently Working On:
T5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!

1982 z28..
350 4bbl black leather inside and black outside...no mods yet except for maybe the exhaust from my firebird

 

WTF!? How the hell can you blame these DA's problems on me!? I just asked if I could beat a 305 TBI. I dont even know how the hell this got on the subject of gutting cats!




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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

My cat was fine, in perfect shape 75K miles on it.

I didn't say restify, because I couldn't think of how to spell it as a noun, lol..

When you're 19, and broke, gutting the cat is sensible, especially since it made such a difference in power

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OH MY GOD SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT THE DAMN GUTTING CAT THING FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! Make another post about it. Just not on this one. It has nothing to do about my race.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

Tom, I'm glad you responded...I needed someone else's input here! I felt like I was drounding with no backup last night

Regardless, Tom is indeed right. New high-flow cats are a huge step above the original 1970s ones.

And Graemes is right...Tom is the man He is the ONLY person I have seen on this board who has never been wrong about a goddamned thing!!

 

Global warming is another eco-lie Jason, its NOT happening

heres a little bit of info on that
http://www.foxnews.com/science/junkscience/001117.sml


read it

 

oh and if you are concerned about global warming, then read macs articles on the catalytic converter

the addition of a cat creates more greenhouse gasses than a car without one

 

Sorry Pablo, I read it, but I don't buy it.

You can't tell me that by running no cat, that making your car put out 10 TIMES the pollutants (whether you wanna believe me or not its true) doesn't hurt the environment.

For christ sakes man, if it DIDN'T hurt it, then why the hell would we cats??? THINK ABOUT IT. If they didn't do us any good then why would we have them for the last 25 years??

Sorry, I'll stick with what the EPA thinks are decent guidelines for automotive emissions. I think they might know what they're talking about.

Just a little.

Sorry Graemes for continuing the non-tech here....just pisses me off.

 

Nice article Pablo. The real point of UN agencies like that is to get more power. In my Geography class, we learned that the "wasteful westerners(North America + Europe)" are the ones that are reforesting the earth. Most other countires are destroying their forests while we replant them more than we gut them down giving us positive forestating insted of deforestation percentages.

No doubt in my mind that cats are good thing though. L.A. is FOR SURE better off now than the 50s or any ther automotive age, but not having one on 1 out of 1000s of cars isn't the end of the world. And about racecars not having cats, Cats are only required for public roads, so if you got a ranch and a track, you can go nuts. A track isn't a "public road".

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited November 28, 2000).]

 

Interesting how that article was found on a Fox news site... Let's see, that's owned by Rupert Murdock. Hmmmmm... Reports done by his companies are so biased no one should ever accept them as "fact". Try finding a no-politically oriented scientific article from a journal, try Science or Nature for staters. You are correct in stating that there is no proof that global warming is occuring now, but real scientists generally agree that it is a threat. Anyone who flat out states that global warming is NOT happening as if it was fact obviously doesn't know too much chemistry.

 

Oh chrsit, here we go...

Backpressure is always bad. Why? In short, pumping loses. If there is positive pressure at the exhaust port, then the exhaust coming out of the cylinders has to fight that pressure to escape. This is wasted energy. The only engines that need backpressure are various 2 stroke designs, and they only need it to maintain some air in the cylinders so that the next stroke can compress and fire. Otherwise they'd be so efficient they'd blow most of their air out (grossly oversimplified.)

Probbaly a minimal power gain from removing a cat, but a gain is a gain. I've seen a buddy go from 15.0 to 14.8 in his MC SS by gutting his cat, he was all stock otherwise. And MC SS came with the nice 4 bolt cat.

And as for gutting the cat, again, in a properly running car it will have minimal reduction in emmisions. And as already metioned, factories and power stations produce more emmisions then cars ever have / will. And one volcano eruption produces more pollutants then humans have in our entire existence.

Global warming as caused by humans is a myth. Earth has natural climatic shifts, and nothing that scientists are seeing now is even close to being strange compared to what the earth has done to itself. Hell, of course there's global warming, if there wasn't we'd still be in the last ice age. No respected scientist who works in these fields will admit it, because then they'd be out of a job. Of course they have to say that it could be happeneing, and find things to study to examine their theories, thats what they get paid to do. It does not legitimize its existence just because they study it.
...ed

 

yes backpressure is confused with scavagning but its easier for people to comprehend backpressure (like there being pressure in the pipe). When one of my manifolds came off the Y pipe I had no "backpressure" and my car had no power. May seem odd but thats the way people think of it and how its commonly described.

 

Ed Maher, you've just become my personal hero

 

I dunno about this how does a 3.1 out run a Mustang GT 5.0? Um I had trouble with a lot of them with a modified 305 TPI and I know ain't no God D@mn 3.1 as fast as that car was. Well at least one without something major on it.

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Kills:
95 Talon TSI, 96 Probe GT, 91 T/A L98, 89 RS, 86 Mustang GT, 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 92 Thunderbird V8. couple or ricers that I think were Civics or Preludes not sure what year, 95 Celica GT-S, 94 Chevy 1/4 ton 350, one of those NASCAR F150's

 

my friend has an 88 GT 5-speed and his sister has a '93 GT auto. The '93 auto feels WAYYY slower. Also the 88GT became a new beast with full exaust (edlebrock shorties, no cat dual 2.5" H-pipe, Hooker areo chambers)

 

Well...I guess I could beat your 305 too (notice my 305 TBI kill). All I know is when I stopped flooring it he was behind me by about a half car. So...Yea, we can beat a 5.0 mustang. Why you seem so suprised? Dont think V6s can handle big V8s? He did have an auto and I am sure that he was stock so with my mods, lightness, and the T5 I hope I could get him.



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

monkie, it's doubtful that you could beat a 5.0 crustang. ford 5.0's are a lot better than GM 5.0's. ford's are 302's and have bigger bores that the GM 305's. GM's 305's biggest downfall is the fact that it's bore is so small.

anyway, let's say you CAN beat a 1990 5.0 stang. that motor was pretty even with a 1990 5.7 TPI engine. so if you can beat the stang, surely you can beat the 5.7 auto, right???? but then, why didn't they put the 3.1 in the IROC??? it's faster ,right???

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1990 3.1L RS
80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)

 

I used to beat 5.0 Mustangs all the time.

Keep in mind tho that those morons weren't gearheads. I'm sure the motor wasn't in hot shape at all (besides the Flows, yo) and way out of tune. That's why I always pump the "major tuneup" info down your guys' throats..

Of course the few times I raced gearhead 5.0's, I was very humiliated... but same goes for the v8 f-bodies. Usually an f-body owner isn't the (hm, how can I phrase this so I don't get censored?) negative personality type of the Mustang owner.


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Who is talking about a 1990 5.0 mustang? Im not. And it doesnt even matter! I dont know if I SHOULD or SHOULDNT be able to beat it all I know is I did beat him and thats all that matters to me. Its no big deal. I know I SHOULDNT be able to but **** happens. 4 cylinders shouldnt beat a 8 cylinder but it happens.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

 

Um my Brother had a 95 Camaro with a lot of mods on his 3.4 and it wouldn't touch a 350 TPI or a Mustang GT. I think wither you have a hidden Hitrous system or a supercharger and don't know it. And from the $hit your talking I would believe it. OH yea and your car is probably the same weight as the Mustnang GT, or atleast enought to not make a difference and there in sno way in HEll you would have Beat my old 305, it out ran mildly modified 350s. Anyways Im not saying you can't be fast, but I think my Escort GT could take you, infact I know I can because I out run a friend of mines RS all the time when we goof off on the back roads and he has like cold air an ignition system exhaust and other things but I seem to be able to get him by a fender, and yes its a 5 speed. COme on man let enjoy our cars and tell the truth. Ofcourse I will believ you on these terms. You admit that both the mustng and camaro were pieces of crap and were raged out

 

Kyle,

Unless the Camaro driver can't drive and his car is worn, he won't be beaten by an Escort GT....especially on backroads. A Camaro is a far superior cornering car when compared to a Mustang...and a Mustang is better than an Escort...when comparing GT models at least. I drove my ex's '87 Stang GT all the time...compared to my RS, it sucked as*.

If the RS driver had sh*t tires, worn suspension, and isn't a good high-speed driver, then yeah, I'd say you could beat him with the Escort. But if both cars are in the same condition, with the same caliber of driver, there's no way in hell an Escort GT is gonna beat an RS.

No flames meant...just the way it goes. If you want, I have hoards of road test data that will support what I said. Plus, I've driven an Escort GT and my car...and I can confidently say, that Escort wasn't gonna beat me, especially on twisty backroads.

 

ROFLMAO!!!! OMG, LMAO. Bring your escort on! Ill be waiting on you at the finish line. LMAO, any day buddy!


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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

just because you can beat a maro with TBI 305 doesnt mean that u can beat a 5.0 mustang. As much as I would like it to be true, my 305 could never even dream of keeping up with 5.0 mustangs

 

wow, is this the longest post ever? Its gotten up to 83 post! WOW

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

Well I will tell you what go run you POS at a track and post you times, cause my Escort is runing a solid low 15 when I power shift. And I would lay my title down that I would have you by atleast a hood in the 1/4 mile. Bye

 

he's probably right. i once raced a newer escort that had FOUR PEOPLE in it and i BARELY pulled on it. plus, my mom has an escort and it feels like it's as fast as my car. it doesn't feel fast(no torque) and it's quiet but then you look at the speedo and you're like "damn".

 

Weird... every Escort I've seen has been a dog. Oh well... maybe I'll stumble across one of those magic ones one day


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Woah man, take it easy. Dont want you blowing something over there. I could care less what your Escort can do to my "POS". But I doubt that you could get me. I might be wrong.....lol.....but I doubt it. bye. And dont cry its ok. Its just a little post. I think Mr. Kyle needs some quiet time lol

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

i beat a 5 spd escort and a 2.8 camaro all in the same night in my 2000 cavilier. Its a 4 door baseline model. I was suprised. Also krept by friends 3.1. I got a jump on him though. man i luv beating on these rental cars

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bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

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Escorts are sloe my friends grandma hase one and i drove it it has no power.. Neon's are a little faster but still i could take them. Hell come out to cale and ill race you and show you waht your little POS ford can do ABSLOUTLY NOTHING considering i can blow away my frinds 305. O wait your Escort can probly blow away a 305 too im sorry lol. Like FORD awalyus says *****ED ON RACE DAY.. so bring on your ford...

 

Also how did we go from raceing a 305 to arguing of a CAT to talking about a FORD POS

 

lol, I would like to know that too. I never figured that a post about "can a 3.1L beat a 305 TBI" would get up to 92 post. And less than half of the replys are about the race. I have no idea where Kyle came up with the Escort vs my "POS" idea. But hey, if he wants to put down my ride let him. I just hope when he pulls up to a nice RS 5speed in his Escort that he can back up his ****. Cause he is puttin out alot.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

Hey Kyle, no one here called your Escort a POS, so don't start putting down Monkie's car...this ain't a flame board.

Unless your Escort is 24k gold plated, you got no right to knock someone else's ride.

 

Thank you Jason.

 

Kyle's probably talking about his 5.0 liter escort deluxe....better known as the fox body mustang... Can you beleive how much the Escorts and 80's mustangs look alike?

 

monkie i can tell by the way u talk that ur car isnt a POS. I am sure its always clean, well kept and always in prime running condition. Remine me of myself So screw this ford drivin ***

I would like to say something to KYLE.....UR FORD ESCORT IS A POS, ITS THE BIGGEST POS I CAN EVER THINK OF AND TO BE SEEN IN A POS LIKE UR ESCORT MAKES ME SICK TO THE STOMACH. just had to get that off my chest.....

 

WEll guys first of all I don't understand why you always seem to talk out your A$$. I mean come on I still dont believe a 3.1 is out running a Mustang GT or a 305 RS. If it was so easy to make the 3.1 faster than the 305 why buy a 305? If General Motors 3.1 with a 5-speed was faster than a Mustang GT then how do you explain Ford being able to seel a 5.0 Mustnag. I tell you this makes no sence. Also don't talk about stuff you don't know about. YOu know a lot of civics are slow, but you know the VTECs are some what quick. Guys I don't have that old 1.9 I have the mazda DOHC enigne in it with a few free mods that I learned from basic fuel injection. Thne there is some other things done to it to, all said and done I have turned a 15.35 1/4 in it. This is my every day driver so I don't particulary care who I out run in it, but I know it will take a lot of 3.1 V6's. So if you want to prove me wrong just post me some times. I usually don't like to flame on people, but this KID is rediculous and you guys are fools for believeing him. MAybe you guys don't believe him and your in love with the idea your 140hp V6's can be made to out run a 170hp Camaro or a 225hp Mustang with just simple every day mods. I don't know which it is but I know he lost.

It just came to me... it probably never happened or the Mustang thought he wasn't racing

 

Wow, you're truly a moron. Go away little boy. Did we ever say a V6 was better than a V8? No. It's impossible. The v8 has two more power strokes; of course it will be stronger. You seem to be the one talking out of your rear. I've never seen a fast Escort in my life, which is a few more years than you. If such a fast little Escort exists, that, my friend (used loosely here), wouldn't be the same type of Escort we're talking about.

Same goes for the v8's you're describing- they aren't the same ones we're describing. Not everyone with a v8's geared it up for performance- but they'll jump for a race just as quick as the next guy. We can beat the v8's that aren't worked up or in tune. What's hard to believe about that? If you've done all the work you claim to your motor, you know that if an engine's not maintained, it gets slower. Hell go check out some of the v8'er times with old cars & mild mods. Their 1/4 isn't so hot anymore- and no, I'm not saying to look at the worked up v8's. I'm telling you to look at the stock v8's.

Seems as if you think we're saying our v6's can take on modified v8 cars. HA! Moron.

I'll talk to you next when you have something useful to say. Funny, the other v8 guys that post here actually offer some help on the v6 f-body! You're just arguing with us. And you want us to come to some little Ohio University car show? I'll be there tomorrow.

This thread has become absolutly ridiculous, and I think by now, it should be taken to a non-tech arena.


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I love V6 F-Bodies as much as the next guy BUT, the 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 will easily clean a sock or slightly modded V6 third gen.

As far as this guys Escort goes, around here, we just have to believe what everyone says and that it runs 15.35 or whatever....I mean, if we believe Monkie, then why wouldn't we believe him....

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP