ok i got the 406 small block in hopin to havin it runnin by thursday had to order a demon carb from summit and yes i went with carburetion,im also gonna be usin a 6 speed tranny but i dont know wut rearend i should use,here are the motor specs
400 pontiac sb punched out to 406cubic inches
edelbrock performer rpm heads
edelbrock performer rpm manifold
crane roller cam at 240intake 248exhaust
crane roller lifters and roller rockers
edelbrock dressup stuff vc,s timin etc etc
edelbrock aluminum water pump
and soon {its on its way}a demon 750 cfm speed demon carb
all the car mods are gonna be the same
17inch ss camaro rims
11 inch wide in the back
car painted same silver as rims
add power windows,locks,and hatch,the trans am conversion kit
i ordered a digital camera so im gonna get some pics for it ,but would someone be willin to post em for me?BTW i was told this combo should be good for 450to475 hp and around 500ft lbs of tq but when its done ill get it on a dyno,anybody know wut i should expect from this package?im so pysched about this cant wait to fire this thing up and put those damn ricers in their place ,lol thanx and lemme here yer feedback

mark

 

Ordinarily I'd be forced to rip you a few new holes to s**t from for swapping to an 8, but being one helluvan 8, I forgive you. Nice job!!

-Reno

 

FYI, no such thing as a Small Block Pontiac V8 ... the 326, 350, 400 and 455 are all the same block. The bore and stroke of a Poncho 400 and Chev SBC are the same. The Poncho is a taller motor to the deck, so you can have some nice long rods with the Poncho.

Have fun with your cast iron Indian! They are good torque monsters.

 

MARK28, wow, that's great! Your project is really coming along- I can't wait to see some pictures. Sounds like you'll really have to reinforce that subframe with all that power


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Mark, that sounds like a beast!!! hey, how much did all the engine mods, and the motor itself run you? just curious. Hey, try not to wrap that massive MUSCLE CAR around a tree too k. god, if i had a 2nd firebird, i'd be doing that mod too.

 

well my cost so far is 1900 bucks i sold both parts cars i had and i got the heads from my uncle ,used but never installed on a motor an,that includes all i mentioned plus some other mic stuff ie msd ignition and so on and so on.oh btw my demon carb came today yeeee hahhhhhh put it on and fired it up to tune it,all i can say is WOW the whole damn car shakes havent driven it yet because i dont have a good rearend{and i think my dads a lil scared lol}when you rev that thing omg its just straight headers sounds so damn good.can not wait to get behind the wheel and see wut its got.lol.the money i get from the gnx is going fer da paintjob.its gonna be silver 6 coats and 3 clearcoats gotta go pic up my rims friday,{christmas gift} they gonna be mounted and balanced with 275/45/17s for the front/and 335/35/17 for the back,tires are bfg g force tas.im waitin fer d camera and ill get some pics up,btw i ordered a ram air 2 hood and a 4th gen bolt on wing also ordered a ta retrofit kit from ta creations,well see you guys later,any more questions just ask me see ya


mark

 

Uh oh monkie ait going to like this, a V8 replaced a V6. Oh my how could you?

Souds like a screamer. Congrats, are you going to hit the track with it ever?

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86 Trans Am 355 TPI Rebuilt 700R4 with Corvette servo, modified valve body, and a B&M Torque Converter (2000 rpm stall w/ lock up), 87 350 block bored .30 with new crank, bearings, rings, and magnafluxed rods. Reworked 305 heads with 3-angle valve job. Added in the rebuild was an SLP TPI cam, BBK 58mm Throttle Body,SVO 24# injectors,MSD 6A, Hypertech Power Coil, 1.5 Crane roller tipped rocker arms, SLP Intake Runners and Port matching in upper intake including fully ported plenum, TPIS adjustable fuel pressure regulator @ 46psi, Hooker shorty style headers w/ Thermotech heat wrapping, Custom 3” exhaust with Flowmaster muffler and chrome quad tips, Hypertech Thermomaster Computer chip, K&N open element cone filter on modified MAF per TPIS specs, MSD Wires, removal of A/C hardware and a 1LE firewall cover installed. Also there has been a PST front suspension kit with Hotchkis strut tower brace
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Garage/9548/kyle.html

Kills:
95 Talon TSI, 96 Probe GT, 91 T/A L98, 89 RS, 86 Mustang GT, 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 92 Thunderbird V8. couple or ricers that I think were Civics or Preludes not sure what year, 95 Celica GT-S, 94 Chevy 1/4 ton 350, one of those NASCAR F150's ..... **** on Monkie

 

I have often thought if I were to toss my monster, high horsepower 2.8 motor it would be for a 400 with a 6 speed backing it up and a set of 4.10's ripping me through the traps at 11 seconds.... AGHHHHHHHHH

 

Mark, sounds good! I didn't even notice that you had the motor in already- I thought you meant you bought it. How was that Demon unit to tune? It's not an emissions-legal carb, right? I have a friend with an '86 Monte Carlo, 305, and he's always having carb trouble.


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Kyle, i noticed you added **** off monkie to your sig. Is this your new goal in life? Heck, i'd have no problem with having a v8 firebird, i don't think that anyone on this board would have one either, but i wouldn't do it to the bird i've got now. It's to nice, to clean, to be messed up by loosing it's original state and sticking that v8 in it. And if you're going to do a v8 conversion, Mark's got the perfect setup, you shouldn't do a v8 convert that'll drop your cars value, such as a 305, or even a 350. Do a v8 that other people don't have like a 400,455,427, even a 327 would work nice. These are motors that other people won't have, and because they're truly not motors offered in 3rd gens, it'll probably help your car's value. Just get over the entire monkie thing man, it's getting really old.

 

Explain this to me again. A 250 doesn'r help the value of you car? What the hell? Are you stupid or something. Yea sure a 396 427 or somethig might make it worth more but I hardley think my 350 made my car worth less.
I would let the thing go with monkie, but he seems to just want to rip on me because I have a built Escort that is faster than a basically stock 2.8 5speed. It like everytime I say something he has to tell me how stupid I am. I guess only V6's or Big block V8's can be fast

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86 Trans Am 355 TPI Rebuilt 700R4 with Corvette servo, modified valve body, and a B&M Torque Converter (2000 rpm stall w/ lock up), 87 350 block bored .30 with new crank, bearings, rings, and magnafluxed rods. Reworked 305 heads with 3-angle valve job. Added in the rebuild was an SLP TPI cam, BBK 58mm Throttle Body,SVO 24# injectors,MSD 6A, Hypertech Power Coil, 1.5 Crane roller tipped rocker arms, SLP Intake Runners and Port matching in upper intake including fully ported plenum, TPIS adjustable fuel pressure regulator @ 46psi, Hooker shorty style headers w/ Thermotech heat wrapping, Custom 3” exhaust with Flowmaster muffler and chrome quad tips, Hypertech Thermomaster Computer chip, K&N open element cone filter on modified MAF per TPIS specs, MSD Wires, removal of A/C hardware and a 1LE firewall cover installed. Also there has been a PST front suspension kit with Hotchkis strut tower brace
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Garage/9548/kyle.html

Kills:
95 Talon TSI, 96 Probe GT, 91 T/A L98, 89 RS, 86 Mustang GT, 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 92 Thunderbird V8. couple or ricers that I think were Civics or Preludes not sure what year, 95 Celica GT-S, 94 Chevy 1/4 ton 350, one of those NASCAR F150's ..... **** on Monkie

 

Excuse me I meant to say 350 in the first line

 

don't worry, i knew what you meant. And no, i don't think that a 350 will help the value of your car unless your car came with a stock 350. Just like I don't think a 3.4L will help the value of a car that originally came with a 2.8L. If you want your car to be worth something originality is the key, whether that means leaving in a stock appearence, 2.8 swap to 2.8 or 305 to 305, just jumping to a larger engine isn't going to do it, unless that engine is something so extravagent that it'll increase the cars value. That's why, once again, i didn't drop a 305, or 350 into my bird. I want it to stay original, it's to nice of a car to screw up by putting a different motor in it. If i want a 350, and can't find a stock one, than i'd take 305 and drop the 350 into it's place. But that swap isn't going to help vehicle value, cause it's still stock, a 305, and not a 350.

 

Kyle

Ok moron, your car is worth the most when it is stock. Anything else on your car that isnt stock brings down the value. Looks like you have never owned a classic.

Oh and about the sig...lol, cute. You're just pissed cause you know I can kick your Escort's *** inside out. And when I get the turbo....Ill just leave what I could do to your CARS to your imagination

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

wtf you guys come on jeeeze you guys get yer car for an investment? the way i c it is you build yer car the way you want it not the way someone else will 5 years down the road when its time to sell it.and i put a pontiac motor in mine because i didnt want a damn chevy motor like everyone else has!and anybody that says i shouldnt have put a v8 in my car,so wut!! v6 birds are pointless firebirds,ta.s,camaros,z.s are muscle cars right? or they were,till gm decided to make the v6 versions,v6s dont belong in them,and now my bird has the motor and power it should of had 11 years ago from the factory.

 

i say do what you want. why do you care what others think? you do things to please yourself, right??? does this engine make YOU happier??? BTW, the camaro has had a V6/I6 engine every year of it's existance. people shouldn't be denied a great car just because they can't afford a V8.

 

great point cali..i would have bought something with an 8 if i wanted to go fast...i didnt. If i did i would have killed myseld already too. And just because we have 6's doesnt give ANYONE the right to down us or our cars. To each his own. We do what we want and u do what u want.

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Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, SS
Hand Made Tips, 3 1/4" out, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A Box, Air Intake Temp Guage, Brushed Aluminum Hood Pins
Currently Working On:
T5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!
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My Site:
www.geocities.com/firebird89white

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

This is all ture except thast I feel if My Trans AM had 90,000 miles on it when I got it I felt no need to keep it stock. I know for a fact that people will pay more money for a 350 that a 305. Especially a new on that has a lot of performance parts in it. Now yes I dated a girl whos mom had a 85 IROC with like 7000 miles on it. Now doing anything to that car will hurt its value agfter it becomes a classic. THough you say that if its something out of the ordinary it adds value to a car, but if its a 350 then it hurts the value because its not stock. Im sorry I didn't know a Poncho 400 was a stock option in 86. If I did I would have built one of those. Oh yea nad no one ccan prove my car is not a 350 stock anyways. I used a 250 block from 1986 when I replced the old 305. Therefore numbers match,unless the 350 had a different engine code other than F, which it might I dunno.

 

A Pontiac 400 (or any other 400) was never offered in any third gen.

 

hey kyle have any pics or a web site on ur t/a? it sounds pretty sweet!

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Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, SS
Hand Made Tips, 3 1/4" out, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A Box, Air Intake Temp Guage, Brushed Aluminum Hood Pins
Currently Working On:
T5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!
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My Site:
www.geocities.com/firebird89white

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

Yea he has a site and I saw the T/A. Looks pretty sweet. Aint that right blondie!? lol

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

woah, Mark,
who ever said anything bad about what you were doing to your car.You've gotten nothing but support from everyone on this board, and i totally agree with you when you say, do what makes you happy. That's the point isn't it? it is your car. I'm more than happy at the present with my v6, it looks better than any other 3rd gen in town, which i really like, and the lower insuracne on a 2.8L is really great given my budget (getting ready for college) so everything's good. I probably will buy a v8 firebird eventually, and most likely a 3rd gen, but i entend on getting a beater to do that too, that way, i can gank the motor and replace it, while not feeling bad about changing the car around. Have you ever thumbed through a Hemmings Mag. One of the most important things about a car, is how original it is, this helps value, now i'm not saying that your car isn't going to be worth more/less with your new motor, heck, i'd love to have a 400ci in my bird, but i want this one to stay stock. HOpe there aren't any hard feelings here. And Kyle, they can tell that your car had a different engine in it, look at your VIN. the engine code for a 305 will be different than the one for a 350, trust me. Plus the RPO codes, (if you've still got them) won't list the 350, it'll have a 305. Sorry.

 

NO NO NO NO NO YOU GUYS TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I MEANT.I didnt mean too put anybody down nore did i mean to put your cars down,hey i like the 2.8,its godawful fast for a 2.8l v6 i mean come on a 2.8 being able to beat a "manly"305 v8 thats someting too talk about.i like all birds an camaros no matter wut they look like wut motor they got.i personally feel they dont and shouldnt have v6s,but comeon you guys im not critizing yer cars or you,if it sounded that way im sorry but its not what i meant.why do you guys always fight so damn much.oh yeah btw i went to the boneyard today and pulled a rearend out of a 68 maro has 3.43 gears an a posi.started puttin it in and im almsot done i needed a break.damn ben workin since the crack of dawn.and when i said my car has the motor it shoudlve had 11 years ago,i meant it shoudlve came with a 400 poncho 11 years ago instead of going to chevy motors in 82 or whenever the switch was.but in no way did i mean to insult you or your cars.

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and wuts this with you guys talkin about value of your car,come on now.jeeze so wut if droppin in a bitchin motor or changin interior drops the value,hell it should raise it.BUT TO EACH HIS OWN I GUESS.do you guys like the way yer car is stock?are you perfectly satisfyed with its STOCK PERFORMANCE? i didnt think so. alright im done.lol

 

Was the rear from a 68 or 86 Camaro? If it was a 68, how much work was it to put in? Did it all just bolt in?


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---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

 

Thats right my nick name is Blondey. Hey I cant help it that i have extreemly blonde hair.
Yes I get remarks on my T/A all the time. the web site is in my sig.
All this fighting started because I said monkies var wouldn't our run a 305 TBI. Well I said fine when he said it wasn't in the best of shape. Then he just started soming up with these other dumb stories and I had to call BS on them. Any other V6 been busting Mustng GTs lately? Didn't think so.
I still feel that anyone on this board would pay more for a Car that has a 100,000miles on it that has a lot of good modifications than a stock one that you know will need work soon.
Also what was the engine code for a 350? I don't have the RPO sheet for it, I bought it in 95 so I mw3an its not like the original owner kept it. I wish they would have, having the original paper work is always cool.
I know there was not a 400 available in any third gen. I was being sarcastic.

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86 Trans Am 355 TPI Rebuilt 700R4 with Corvette servo, modified valve body, and a B&M Torque Converter (2000 rpm stall w/ lock up), 87 350 block bored .30 with new crank, bearings, rings, and magnafluxed rods. Reworked 305 heads with 3-angle valve job. Added in the rebuild was an SLP TPI cam, BBK 58mm Throttle Body,SVO 24# injectors,MSD 6A, Hypertech Power Coil, 1.5 Crane roller tipped rocker arms, SLP Intake Runners and Port matching in upper intake including fully ported plenum, TPIS adjustable fuel pressure regulator @ 46psi, Hooker shorty style headers w/ Thermotech heat wrapping, Custom 3” exhaust with Flowmaster muffler and chrome quad tips, Hypertech Thermomaster Computer chip, K&N open element cone filter on modified MAF per TPIS specs, MSD Wires, removal of A/C hardware and a 1LE firewall cover installed. Also there has been a PST front suspension kit with Hotchkis strut tower brace
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Garage/9548/kyle.html

Kills:
95 Talon TSI, 96 Probe GT, 91 T/A L98, 89 RS, 86 Mustang GT, 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 92 Thunderbird V8. couple or ricers that I think were Civics or Preludes not sure what year, 95 Celica GT-S, 94 Chevy 1/4 ton 350, one of those NASCAR F150's ..... **** on Monkie
SOON TO BE A SUPER CHARGED TURBO WITH NOS ON A 500000 CU. IN engine

 

the rear end was from a 68 its a 12 bolt and it didnt really bolt up but didnt need alot of **** to work i dunno when i pulled mine the endlinks for the swaybar were severly bent.so there i had to do a lil more work,the rear is also a lil wider than mine so ill need smaller spacers when i order them.i welded up some mounts so a 91 1le swaybar would go on the rear end!other than that it went in alright.had to buy a driveshaft tho just got that about an hour ago,luckily the driveshaft shop had one that would fit,all he had to do was change the u joints.imma gonna take it for a spin today when my dad gets home from work.he dont want me takin it out for its first time by myself.lol he thinks ill rap it around a telephone pole.ill let ya guys know later how it went! see ya

mark

 

Kyle, the RPO code for the 350 was L98 and B2L. The B2L denotes iron heads. The engine was offered in Firebirds from 1987 - 1992.

 

Whatever Kyle. This is old as hell and I just dont care anymore. Fighting with you is like trying to push a wall. Guess its because you 2 share the same knowledge. Hold on let me misspell something so you can read it better.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

This has nothing to do w/ the topic at hand, but Kyle, you really do need to get a spell check program. I mean it is sad when a high school graduate can't type car.

Bye the way Mark, Congrats on your engine. I'm thinking of going 400 instead of 454 when I do my swap. But that's a LONG ways away.

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92 Bird 3.1L Auto
Best $750 I ever spent....

DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!

Kills:
93 Mustang LX (Before Mods)

Mods-Jet Stage 2 Performance Chip, Accel Cap/Rotor, Accel 8.8 MM Wires, Accell Coil, AC Delco Rapidfire Plugs, Dynomax Catback, K&N

AIM name OVRCLCK350

[This message has been edited by Ovrclck350 (edited December 22, 2000).]

 

I know the RPO codes. I also know that there were a few 350's made in 86. Rare but they made them. I was wondering if anyone knows what the VIN code was like h mean low performance 4BBL 305 G meant HO 305 4BBL and F= TPI 305

 

Okay, I thought the axle needed some work; wasn't sure about that. Plus the first gen's used the leaf springs & not coils, right? How did you get around that? Did you just weld the coil spring mount onto the '68 axle? Oh and what did you weld to the axle for the 1LE sway bar? I thought that was a complete bolt-on... oh, do you mean the locating pieces for the clamps?


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---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

 

the engine code should be 8. That's what i'm feeling.