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Old May 15, 2001 | 10:37 PM
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hard shifts chirp third...

well this is kinda tech...I actually got my car to chirp 3rd a few times. the shift point of course was 5 grand but... It surprissed me though. then again it gained 10 MPH as soon as the chirp hit....
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Old May 16, 2001 | 08:02 AM
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That is sweet...I can get mine to chirp in second...but I never have in 3rd!

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Old May 16, 2001 | 10:02 AM
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i would be careful that its not a tranny problem....someone can correct me if i am wrong but i don't think our cars should be chirpping in third??? what do you all think?
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Old May 16, 2001 | 10:16 AM
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I find a n/a V6 chirping into 3rd gear a little far fetched.
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Old May 16, 2001 | 10:21 AM
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do you have any modifications to your motor. I mean, i believe that it could be done, but you'll probably need some mods or something. My firebird with an Automatic will chirp into second gear, third gear just shifts firm, but there's no way it would chirp there, and also, my car has to rev to 6k in order to get a second gear chirp.
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Old May 16, 2001 | 11:19 AM
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I can never chirp my tires only way possible is to slam it in N and hi it into drive i cant even burn out fron a dead stop really any more i have to PB it
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Old May 16, 2001 | 12:48 PM
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Old May 16, 2001 | 01:38 PM
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No please dont say that ive had it rebuilt 3 times in the past year and a half. I think the part about not bein able to burn form a stop is my tires but ive never been able to chirp into second
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Old May 16, 2001 | 02:28 PM
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Hey Fast...doing a neutral drop is one of the worst things you can do to your transmission.
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Old May 16, 2001 | 04:50 PM
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ya, youre telling me. i just busted a mount doing that
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Old May 16, 2001 | 07:29 PM
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If you want to do a burn out do a brake stand. Neutral drops shock your entire system and is horrible for everything, from the motor to the rear end.
I haven't burnt out a tranny yet and my 90 Firebird has withstood some pretty wicked brake stands.
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Old May 16, 2001 | 08:07 PM
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It was under warenty but it isnet any more te shop i went to wouldnt even put a shift kit in i should of never gone there
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Old May 16, 2001 | 08:48 PM
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Actually I have a 5 speed in my tiny V6 so the shift point are all manual controlled...It helps get it going pretty quick too...all day today I kept barking 1st and I was tring to be easy on it....
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Old May 16, 2001 | 08:50 PM
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My engine only has a K&N right now...I plan on rebuilding the motor and putting a 3.4 crank into it and help the power alittle. I will only be doing this untill I have a 4.3 ready to swap into it.
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Old May 16, 2001 | 09:08 PM
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I think that you could do this if you put in 4.11 gears and slapped wagon wheels on the back
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Old May 16, 2001 | 10:30 PM
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nope stock rear and 205/55/15's....and yes I got it doing it regularly now...just almost red line shift points...
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Old May 16, 2001 | 11:35 PM
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i have 225/60r15
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Old May 17, 2001 | 09:18 PM
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Engine HP has little to do with chirping 3rd... torque has more to do with it... But LINE PRESSURE in the tranny has 90% to do with it :P

Check the tranny bro - Something is off.

Side note, i can chirp the tires into second np... it happens at 46mph at 5700 rpm. Never have chirped third altho i get a decent push into third.


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Old May 17, 2001 | 09:28 PM
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I think he could do it guys... Honestly, it really depends on how hard you want to drive the car. One time, I was showing off (I admit it...) and I stood on my dad's '99 S-10. Just a little 4-banger with a 5 speed. The truck is nick-named "Slug" because it's so damn slow. Probably couldn't beat a stock '82 2.8 Camaro. I stood on this thing and smoked the tires through first, halfway through second and a good way through third... more than a chirp... People were impressed I was impressed...

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Old May 17, 2001 | 10:47 PM
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And how much weight does an S-10 have on the rear axles compared to our cars?
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Old May 18, 2001 | 10:21 AM
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Guys My TTA cant chirp third!!!! Hell I drove an LT4 corvette with a 6 speed that couldn't chirp third.

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Old May 18, 2001 | 11:02 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ovrclck350:
And how much weight does an S-10 have on the rear axles compared to our cars?</font>
Good point, but still... it's a 4-banger, and it had 245/50s on it... Like I said, a stock '82 2.8 Camaro could probably walk on it....
Don't get me wrong... I'm not arguing one way or the other... but I think that if he really doesn't give a sh*t about the car, he could probably chirp third...

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Old May 18, 2001 | 03:57 PM
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I find it hard to believe it can "chirp" 2nd to 3rd.My 89 2.9 shifts into 3rd around 70 mph and 5200rpm's.
The 1st to 2nd shift is hard as hell.Kicks the *** end a little sideways. But in no way will it "chirp" 2nd to 3rd.It won't even do that in the rain.

I'm not saying it is impossible.But I find it hard to believe.

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Old May 20, 2001 | 03:26 PM
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Ok lets get a few things straight. First off I have a 3.1 V6. Second I have a 5 SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION!.

I can release the clutch slowly in 1st and get a strong chipping take off. Shift into 2nd at 4400 RPM's and bark IT. I then shift into 3rd at 5000 RPM's and chirp it.
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Old May 21, 2001 | 12:42 AM
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Lemme think...uve only got a K&N? Wow look...so do i! And about 50 other things...and i can NOT chirp 3rd...not close. I think something is wrong..

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Old May 21, 2001 | 07:58 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Camaro_hunter_d:
Ok lets get a few things straight. First off I have a 3.1 V6. Second I have a 5 SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION!
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Exactly that is why I said I drove a LT4 Corvette with a 6speed and couldn't do it. Thos are lighter, more powerful, and have a lower gear ratio than yours. If it cant do it you cand do it either. I hae to call bs on somebody on here because it has been pretty clean for a long time, but a I don't care what you do or how you shift, on dry pavement your not chirp9ing third.

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Old May 21, 2001 | 09:16 AM
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When releasing the clutch are you letting it coming up so far and then dropping it. I can see the wheels maybe chirp that way b/c basically the trans is disengaged and the car is getting the RPMs up then when the clutch is dropped the trans engages with the high RPMs and there probably is a chirp. Not to good on the cluctch.

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Old May 21, 2001 | 01:35 PM
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I baby the hell out of both my cars....no PB, tranny dropping, etc. The RS I can spin the tires from a dead stop only on a cool night, the Z any time I want

BUT, even my '97 doesn't chirp 3rd. I've got brand new 245/50/ZR16s on it, so that MAY have a small amount to do with it.

But if an LT1 6 speed can't do it, I am doubting a 2.8/3.1 5 speed car can, even with bald tires...

I can compression skid in 3rd though

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Old May 21, 2001 | 02:27 PM
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I was once able to chip my tires at 50 MPH but i went into N redlined it and put it in drive and killed the tranny mount in the pocess.
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Old May 21, 2001 | 03:09 PM
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Jason E you cant chirp third??? Might wanna shift a little bit faster and harder because its there.

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Old May 21, 2001 | 03:58 PM
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BTW...on 2-3 shift i can bring the rpms to 5k and let off clutch and still not chirp... i can on 1-2 shift but no way 2-3.

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Old May 21, 2001 | 10:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jason E:


I can compression skid in 3rd though
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I probably know what it is (hell, I've probably done it), but haven't heard it referred to by this name, so.... do elaborate...

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Old May 22, 2001 | 03:45 PM
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A compression skid is when you downshift quickly and at a fair rate of speed, the tires chirp. This is called a compression skid because technically the compression of the engine is slowing the tires down, not the brakes.
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Old May 23, 2001 | 04:18 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kyle F:
Exactly that is why I said I drove a LT4 Corvette with a 6speed and couldn't do it. Thos are lighter, more powerful, and have a lower gear ratio than yours. If it cant do it you cand do it either. I hae to call bs on somebody on here because it has been pretty clean for a long time, but a I don't care what you do or how you shift, on dry pavement your not chirp9ing third.

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Well if you could not get the LT4 to squeel then try turning off the traction control....My neighbor has a 90-91 with a LT1 and he can chirp all the way into 4th so...

Now greame I shift at 5300 plus...and have a 3.1 not a 2.8, though basically the same motors I do have a few more cubes...

Here is how and what I shift at.
1st. Holding the clutch in just enough to keep it engaged I hold it untill it is firmly taking off then shift at around 5000.
2nd. I slam the clutch down barely letting off the gas and slam it to the floor and into 2nd at 53-5400 range.
3rd. Pretty much the same thing I shift at 53-5500 and eeerp and a stick sideways kick...Granted if it is really hot outside and the tires get warmed up its alot harder but I have done this on 95 degree days and 3 miles to warm up with.
After I started bragging at work that I could chirp third a co worker with a 95z kept at it till he could do it...It takes a little to learn the engines rpms with out looking down to get it right. It took him around 20 minutes of constant tring before he got it so it is not THAT easy but it is done. If it helps anyone I am usually doing 50 when I get 3rd. by the time I get to 4th I am over 70 on the same "power band" shifting...


Now Kyle I DO KNOW WHAT A CHIRP AND A SIDEWAYS KICK IS...My car has just over 100k on it and it still kicks major buttocks. I did forget that I do have a much stronger clutch than stock. I have a brute force which is supposed to be 30 percent over stock...I got it at carparts.com for 125 over christmas...And I must say the first 500 miles of break in were FUN!!!!. I can dump the clutch and it will not slip at all it will bog and grab and scream and spin....
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Camaro_hunter_d:
Well if you could not get the LT4 to squeel then try turning off the traction control....My neighbor has a 90-91 with a LT1 and he can chirp all the way into 4th so...

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Old May 24, 2001 | 09:53 AM
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Traction controll was off I think myabe th 9" of GSC rubber and a heavy clutch might have something to do with it.
Sorry I still call BS, I think that you are the only one with a 3.1 chirping 3rd.

Momkie good to see your still around, when are you going to come see the TTA? I could use a little help this weekend tracking down the problem showing as a code 42

Anyways Monkie I believe you had a 3.1 5-speed did you chirp third, I mean yours was the fastest 3.1 on the Road right just messing with you.

Seriously until I see more than just one person on here claiming this I won't believe it. Unless you have the fastest, or Torqueiest(if thats even a word) 3.1 on the board with a 5-speed.
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Old May 24, 2001 | 03:16 PM
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Great news!!! I actually found a guy that sells nothing but GNs! So I am going to SEE if I can buy my old RS back and then I'm gonna make a project to swap the 3.8L in. The guy is gonna help me too! Im so freaked out. Kyle man I'd love to see the T/A. But kinda busy with exams and all. Maybe this summer!

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Old May 25, 2001 | 08:37 AM
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I know what you are saying about the exams. I have one week left in the quarter then FINALS WEEK yuk! yea sure maybe this summer.
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Old May 25, 2001 | 03:35 PM
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Well I HOPE I passed both ones today. English 3 advanced and Sociology. Kinda had to do some neighbor help on the english one tho.

Anyways, I talked to my friend about if he would sell me my RS back and he said yea because he cant keep the rear end from getting loose. Damn import guys cant drive. But while he managed to have it he wrecked the front. So now the nose has a huge cracking in it. $2500 brings it home. So I'm gonna get some money together.
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Old May 26, 2001 | 10:58 PM
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You can chirp third with a stick!. Just press the clutch enough to move the stick to the next gear. Then let it out real fast. I used to do it all the time with the company work truck. It was an '88 five-speed, four-cylinder, Toyota! It used to leave ten feet of rubber first to second, and chirp third. I did it every day until the transmission died. I had to call one of the other workers to pick me up. I didn't care, wasn't my truck!

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Old May 26, 2001 | 11:26 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by import'sdread:
You can chirp third with a stick!. Just press the clutch enough to move the stick to the next gear. Then let it out real fast. I used to do it all the time with the company work truck. It was an '88 five-speed, four-cylinder, Toyota! It used to leave ten feet of rubber first to second, and chirp third. I did it every day until the transmission died. I had to call one of the other workers to pick me up. I didn't care, wasn't my truck!

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Old May 29, 2001 | 07:36 PM
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hey kyle do you have a 3.1 5 speed?...if so do as I have said and IT WILL HAPPEN, otherwise...
Hey grammy are you still trin?...Heres what I do to get it every time...
1st& 2nd are easy we all know third is the trick...When you go to shift into third at 5k rpms press the clutch but do not release the gas...if your fast enough you cap rip into third and release the clutch right at 5500 and in mine it works every time... I have 100975 on the clock and a brute force clutch and trust me this little wonder does not slip at all.
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