What is a 4.5L caddy V8, is it a 305 just storked shorter and anyway or use of this in a camaro.

 

What do yo mean, is it a NorthStar Engine?
That can fit the F-Body V-6 tranny (700R4).
Was it an engine option under this F3 hood?
No.
Wana be the first?
I think it would be a superb swap.
Wiring would be hell, tho!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

I once heard caddy v8's were 60 degree and would bolt to our trannys...

 

Oh really? Hmmm.... this could become interesting. God knows any motor that can move a 5500lb. Caddy that fast could definitely motivate our little (big) F-Bodies...

 

I'm talking about the small caddy V8 in those early 90's caddys, I don't know if they were rear wheel drive but will check, that would be neat in a way but better of just doing the 350 because of the wiring, just a thought out of no where.

 

My parents had a 92 caddy 4.5, first of all the engine sat side ways and all caddys are front wheel drive so i guess it will no work.

Tim

 

my dad has a 92 deville w/a 4.9engine. This was the last year before the northstars came out. It is fwd, about the size of the late 80's bonnevilles.

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85 Firebird. $150.00
2.8 Auto.
Blown Head Gasket.
Mods Galore to Come....

 

Not really a great engine, anybody know any more v6s other then the 3.4L that we could use and COULD the 3.4L block be bored out more for more diplacement????

 

Isn't the "ShortStar", as found in the soon-to-be defunct Oldsmobile, a 60* v6? if so, ther you have it, enjoy the swap and a 500 cuss word limit while doing the rewiring.

 

If you can actually get your hand on a 1984-1987 regal gran national 3.8 turbo or a T-type it can fit our cars. its the same engine that's in the tta except for a smaller head that way it can have clearance. This is what Im thinking of doing. Correct me if im wrong but I do believe that it can hook up to our trannys too.(not to certain though).

 

The 3.8 is a 90* V6, 2.8, 3.1, & 3.4 are 60* V6. if you do the 3.8 swap, you need a new trans.

 

The Caddy engine MAY be (in THAT Caddy engine bay) a east-west, but it will adapt to our F3 700R4 tranny, without to much trouble.
MANY hot rodders are doing this MANY!, as the yards are filling up with them, now.
BUT, as I said, wiring would be hell AND if ya gotta deal with emission & smog, NO WAY will it pass, atleast in CA. This engine was never offered in our platform.
NOW, can a 3.4 be bored out?
SURE
BUT, get one with LOW MILES so all ya need do is open, insert and close hood.
Can ya MAKE A TTA 3.8, sure, we've discussed this often, too. And Kyle was kind enough to throw in the details, too.
Ya gotta make a plan, and a budget and work with it.
When I did my swap, I was pushed. I blew my 2.8 and I needed the car back, fast. Did I luck out? I was fortunate to score 4 3.4 engines to choose from. I chose mine & worked it under the hood.
Figure out a budget and a plan and seek out the good for your skills options. I've offered what I can about the 3.4 swap to make it easier for others, because it is a wise option. AND FOR ME, CA emissions played out a big part of my decision, too!
IF ya wanna high horsepower everything, seriously, go get a V-8 car to work on. WAY cheaper in the long run. I've read magainze artilces people buying them (V-8 cars) for as low as $200, running and looking decent.
SO CAN YOU!
All I can say is that it's not the 50's/60's/70's where people were throwing away everything for new cars, then. Back in Feb 22, 1972 at about 6 pm, my Dad bought my 1966 Corvette for $1,750. Complete.
I wish I had a time machine, it would have to be very large for all you guys!!!
PS I also remember exactly when I killed my Baby, Sept 30th, 1975 at about 5-6 pm. The same time James Dean died back in 1955.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Why would anyone want a 4.5 in a thirdgen? Thats like taking a step down from the 3.1.

 

Just a thought!!!!

 

Actually, GM Engineering did this with a NEW Monte Carlo.
They were very pleased.
BUT, the engine was too "old" to make it pass current US Smog laws, so.........

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

geeze lots of good and bad infor in this post I'm not sure where to start. Caddy v8s are 90* but have the same bolt pattern as the 60* chevy v6s becaus they are FWD. You can get it to pass smog in CA as long as the engine is the same year or newer as your car and have all the smog stuff hooked up. The only sumbling point I see is if the DOHC engine will fit between our shock towers. Caddy FWD engines have been all aluminum since the late 80's.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

 

Hi Tas, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, if that ENGINE IS AN UPGRADE USED ON THE SAME PLATFORM, it has a chance to clear CA smog laws.
BUT, you gotta get it past the smog ref, first.
Am I correct in my understanding?
I mean, our F bodies can have a Turbo 3.8, as it came in a 1989 Firebird (for the cars up to 1989 model year) and ya can throw in a V-8, as they came in all the F3 years.
I THINK, ya can squeeze by on a cat's whisker, if ya want to put a 3.8 turbo in a 1990 & later year 3rd gen.
Educate me, please.
Would love to give others more engine (SMOG LEGAL) options than just a 3.4 & a turbo 3.8 set up.


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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

you can put any gas engine from any vehicle that is the same year or newer that is in the same class size. Diesals are another issue

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited August 15, 2001).]