yup im hunting for a camshaft for my car... and

what i do know is that crane 2030 camshaft for our car is 50 state emissions legal..

the wolverine blue racer camshaft has the same specs but only the exhaust is .443 instead of .423 in the crane...

the wolverine part number is WG-1132 (Cam only)
WG-1132Kf (full set)

the specs of the wolverine is here
http://www.blueracer.cranecams.com/chevy6.htm

this cam is 50 bucks cheaper than the crane (manufactured by the same compnay though)

SO would someone PLEASE tell me if this is emissions legal??

yea those blue racer cams are 50 state legal. i have one in my car. other mods are in my signature. you have to get lifters for it though because they dont come with the cam. i had to get comp cams lifters. i dont remember the part number now but ill get it then give it to you.

i got your message i dont see a difference in gas milage any i didnt have the cam installed it was already in the car. i think it gained a lot more power than a stock cam.

V6camaroman, where did you get the info that the Wolverine cam is 50-state legal? As far as my research showed, no 2.8/3.1/3.4 camshaft was given an CARB 50-state-legal executive order number. Does the manufacturer (Crane/Wolverine) say it is?

The CARB E.O listing is here: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/devices.htm

Or, did you pass one of the dyno-emissions tests with it? I have a hunch that if the cam is "computer compatible", then it'll pass emissions... since a radical cam would throw off our computers. Plus, it seems the specs on the cams are usually similar to that of V8 TPI cams that do have a CARB executive order #... and that would mean that our V6 cams are also smog friendly. There's so much red tape involved in a EO # that I could see why a camshaft company wouldn't even bother trying to get a 2.8/3.1/3.4 cam legalized.

im not 100% sure that the cam is 50 state legal. i have never heard that is wasnt 50 state legal. it works ok with the computer though. i have never had it emision tested. up here in NY we dont have to do that. we just slap a sticker on it.

to answer ur ques tomp.. the jegs catalog says that all crane compucams ... including the 2030 is emissions legal...

this cam is also made by crane... with only difference being in exhaust lift so i was wondering ...

and tomp is that a fact that all computer friendly cams are emissions legal??

no emissions testing (that i know of or seen) will tear apart ur engine to find out exactly what cam u have in it.. just make sure its comp friendly.. IF u dont pas smog, most likly it wasnt cuz of the cam..

mike (loomdog)

*This product is applicable only to pre-1966 California and pre-1968 federally certified passenger cars. It is also applicable to non-emission controlled trucks and similar vehicles. It is not applicable or intended for use on any emission controlled vehicles operated on highways or roads.

in a word.. that cam is NOT CARB certificied..

but loomdog ... it says the same on teh crane site too for the 2030 cam... and jegs certifeis that its 50 state legal...

the thing there is that all components in that page with teh * is not emissions legal (ull find that on some other cams in teh site tehre is a part number followed by the * on top of them the footnote tat u see is for those parts )

so ur saying that if i dont pass emissons its not cos of the cam (ofcousrse i dont have a cat ... but ill be getting one beefore that)

(i might be moving soon to a place that has emission laws thats why im puttin this post)

the 2030 is CARB legal.. it was used as the stock cam in the l36 3.4 ohv (93-95 f-bodies).. if u want it, buy it and install it.. i very highly doubt that anyone, except u, will know its there..

mike (loomdog)

Or to put it simply.
I have that cam and I passed smog so easy the guy was very stunned!
Save the effort find a running used 3.4 & swap that in.
With the 3.4 option, the cam is already installed!

Correct, and look at the part # in the table. It says 254122* ...

Also, examine the "3" with the diamond around it. That sign means that this isn't an emissions legal cam, it's only for off-highway & non-CA use.

The Jegs & Summit catalog are misleading. Only some of those cams in that section are emissions legal (and can carry the green "1" in a diamond). Go to the arb.ca.gov website I posted above, and look at all the Crane cams. The 254122 "Compucam 2030" doesn't appear. 2.8 = 173ci, 3.1=189/191 ci. The 3.4 motor might work... isn't that 204 ci? That'd fall under the 200CI category- BUT, the 3.4 moves more air than our 2.8 & 3.1 motors do. This might be a factor that would make the cam "legal" for a 3.4 but "illegal" for a 2.8.

But, like Loomdog & Karl point out, the cam does pass emissions! In my opinion, if the cam passes the sniffer, but doesn' t have a CARB executive order #, then it's just because the cam company didn't want to bother going thru the bureaucracy of getting the cam certified.

And no, I'm not 100% certain that a computer-friendly cam is also tree-friendly... but it does make sense. If the cam was too radical, the oxygen sensor would have a fit... not to mention the "later" 3.1 motors that use MAP instead of MAF. MAP works off of engine vacuum, and if the vacuum is thrown off by a cam with too much overlap (lopey idle), then the MAP table would be shot to hell.... etc, etc.

I thought New York had the new emissions test! Is that just New York City, and not the whole state?

ked85 im sorry but im a little lost here... u have the 2030 or do u have the blueracer cam??

my question is more exhaust lift can cause emission problems??

as .423 in crane compared to .443 in the blueracer?

The 3.4 engine, I installed in my Firebird, has the upgrade cam profile.
The 3.4 cam design is very similar to the cam you seek to purchase.
You shouldn't have a problem at all.
But, for the effort, if you can find a used running 3.4 for several hundred, by all means, do the 3.4 swap boogie!

yeah when i was rebuilding my engine ... i looked and looked where i live in southern IL , the junkyards i visited i never saw a 3.4 and my car was dyign (lifter noise was too much) so i went ahead and rebuilt it into a 3.2 overbored and my mechanic put ina 3.1 crankshaft with forged high compression pistons ...


i wouldve loved it if i could find a runnning 3.4 the only 3.4's i found here were in the cars running on the roads lol

and i cant pull one outta them

thanx a lot KED - master of the 3.4 swap

:hail:

my mechanic is ready to put the cam in (same guy who did hte rebuiild ) for 150 bucks (its too cold here to work outside and i dont have a garage)

i thought maybe the cam for 100 bcuks (blue racer and 150 labour

for 250 do u think its worth it??

where can u get the blue racer cam for only $100???? is that ONLY the cam?? ull need bearings and the lifters should also be changed with the cam..

if u can get EVERYTHING u need and have it installed professionally, $250 is a good price..

mike (loomdog)

That's fair labor.
Why not shop around to find cam & do yourself?
Wait until Warm.
Do whole job for the $150?

Actually, the original cam bearings should be fine. Cam bearings aren't subjected to the same stress than rod or crank bearings are, and unless something majorly bad happened to the engine (like a dead oil pump), the crank bearings should be fine.

Chevy V8 camshaft bearings actually fit our motors. They're a bit wider, and for that reason, can last even longer. Problem is, they must be aligned carefully ... since they're wider, they could interfere with the cam lobes unless they're centered perfectly in the engine.

But yes, you definately need new lifters!! Lifters wear into a pattern that matches each lobe of the camshaft, and if you put used lifters on a new cam, you'll ruin the new cam -and- the old lifters. You can even cause damage if you run an old cam with old lifters- but you switch the order of the lifters... as in, you put a #1 exhaust lifter on a #3 intake- the cam wont' like it.

Pushrods are even supposed to take a set into rocker arms, but apparently the damage isn't that great, since people reuse pushrods all the time. The maker of the 1.52 roller rockers for our car (who makes those again? I forget) sells a "kit" for $20 more that includes new hardened pushrods (yes, we need hardened, we have guide plates) with their 1.52 rockers.