puma1552

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The best part about this big wheel trend is that one of two things will eventually happen:

1) The physical limit of what size wheels can be put on cars will be de facto reached
2) The majority of "urban" people that do this will run out of drug and welfare money before that limit is realized

It really is a trend best left to the gutter-dwellers with $500 G-bodies. The question you have to ask yourself is this: if 22s on a Camaro isn't the textbook definition of ghetto, what is?

It's like when you see some hillbilly with a ******, a Budweiser, and a filthy Ford/Chevy racing hat and a ratty wifebeater who can barely speak coherent English and they don't realize what they are...it's like if you aren't a hillbilly, who is?

Transmetal

^Wow, way to make judgements about peeps u don't even know! It's a car, if he like it fine it's called personal taste not everyone likes 22's nor does everybody like slow cars with ugly *** stock wheels.

puma1552

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I realize that, it's also called personal opinion, and that's mine.

The world isn't all flowers and daisies. Some stuff is hideous, this falls under the category. It's what thugs do.

1roc89z28

so let me get this straight....so people that have rims are ghetto...and drug addicts?? oh.... u must be a class above the rest...

Pillsbry10

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Lol I believe he's just referring to overly large rims

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bigdavesiroc

i second the thank god it's not lifted. doesn't look too bad....i too feel 18's should be the biggest rim. you make it look good though.

MAC_87

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I must ask your opinion then, on the 20", And 21" Rims that Chevy is producing for the 5th gen. is this "ghetto"?...

GerryCat09

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I don't understand why you would modify a car to run something that offers no performance gain...if anything it detracts from performance. I think the huge wheels really cheapen the look of the car overall, especially on thirdgens. Personally I won't run anything larger than 16"s.
It probably dosn't seem like it, but I'm not trying to hate on your car, I just really don't understand the whole big wheel fad. I used to despise working on things like that when I was a tech at Sears, of course our shop wasn't equiped to handle it.

CamKid1992

despite the giant wheels which i cant stand in most cases the rear end looks sick. thumbs up on this idea. maybe just a different set of wheels.

Carlos773

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5th gens were made to look ok with 20s and 22s. Totally diff and irrelevant to the topic at hand. The most I will go on a 3rd gen would be 19s. I laugh at 19s+ and people rocking stock brakes.

As for the op. This would be ok if you ran some pretty wide tires but from the looks well its all looks.

puma1552

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No, those just look like bloated clown cars, which they are. Ever park a thirdgen next to one? The car is literally a foot taller than our cars, and just looks like the fat pig that it is. As mentioned, they are built around a 20" rim, meaning the fender wells are designed to hold a 20" rim and still have room for the 4x4 look.

I'm sure someone already has 30" wheels on one of those.

Thankfully, when the CAFE fleet average standards go into effect, the cars will have to shrink (already a certain that the new 2014 Mustangs will be smaller and lighter than now) and hopefully the clown rims will go out the window too.

Sinz86IrocBlk

I wouldn't exactly call the 5th gen ugly but it is true those cars have larger wheel wells that make those wheels work. I really don't care about how big the wheel is in inches, as long as it looks good and handles well. I'd let the bigger is better sentiment stay with those trying to overcompensate for something else. A sports car that has to worry about rubbing whenever it turns or hits a bump in the road is no longer a sports car. 18"s do look great with the proper stance. 19"s also look good but I'm not sure if you end up having to sacrifice tire width.

camaromike222

Part of the reason the 5th gens have such large wheels is to accommodate the large brakes on those things. Especially the SS's. The car itself is indeed large and ascetically is why the wheels are so big. However, 'ghetto' isn't what I would call it. 'Ghetto' indeed is over-sized--far beyond--anything ascetically reasonable and functionally reasonable with chrome. Remember, the new ZR1 is a relatively small car, yet it's rears are 20". Why? Have you seen the size of the rotors on those things?

1roc89z28

5th gens look real good...just imagine it whit smaller rims like what the rs has and it just looks wrong...u must know it all , since ur a class obove us.

1roc89z28

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Transmetal

I guess all those white soccer moms I see at the Y are ghetto too with their Escalades and Tahoes with big rims. Too many people on this site are of the mind if's it's different it's ghetto or a *****. Who do u think comes up with those terms it's the good ol boys network. That's fine, it's a free country I know I wouldn't be caught dead rollin a Camaro with huge drag tires on the back with a stock engine to me that's a hillbilly or a *******.

bigdavesiroc

now no need for name calling boys. it's a debate to each owns taste. neither will ever prevail. so don't try. keep it to, does it look good? help perform? i think, no to both of those.

itsMikey

lol..its funny how people think that there opinion and there mindset are superior to that of others as far as talking down to them as if they are lower than you with all the ghetto and thug references. so much hate, all the while you call it an opinion. hmm...

but that's beside the fact that this dude did what he wanted to his car and the camaro doesn't even look bad. Not my personal preference but it looks good

the solitaire

Oh, those are the worst of all!

Personally I do not mind (most of the time do not mind) what other people do to their car, hwo they do it, or whether or not they like it.

If they post pictures on a forum with the request for feedback, I gladly provide feedback, which is then based on my opinion.

I mentioned that this goes for most of the time.
The exception is when trends tend to cause a possible dangerous situation for other traffic users.

This big rim trend is one of those. Some people have the car well together, some not. I dont mind about a solid car that's barely able to move because of the big rims on it. I do care about a 30 year old beater with 22" rims because due to torque the risk that 30 year old wheelstuds break is increased, worn brake pads and disks are not able to stop the increased mass and momentum (again one of these torque issues) in due time, increasing barking distance significantly and it gets worst if the 30 year old worn down beater just got a cheap but powerful 350 truck engine in it.

1) I'm not looking forward to meet that 30 year old worn down Camaro with 22's on the highway at the time one of the wheelstuds breaks.

2) ever wondered why none of the racing series have cars with 22" rims?
It's all about engineering. The additional reinforcements needed for 22" rims exceed the benefit/weight ratio. Too little benefit for too much added weight.

Thirdgens have none of the reinforcements required (beefier suspension, beefier brakes, beefier subframes etc.) which would allow them to safely run 28" diameter wheel/tire combos with the added weight of a 22" rim. Its mostly the front I'm worried about btw.

puma1552

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All you did was confirm what I said. Fifth gens are designed for bigger rims, of course they'd look stupid with smaller rims, just like a thirdgen looks stupid with big rims.

All I've *ever* seen get out of those are drug dealers or people who may as well be. Soccer moms drive mini vans or stock SUVs. I don't see too many soccer moms picking up little Johnny on 30s.

Again, if a Tahoe or Escalade on rims isn't textbook ghetto, what is? An Escalade on rims is about as ghetto as it gets. Every thug's dream.

Doesn't matter if it is some executive living in a gated community, it still makes the thugs salivate and it still looks ghetto, no matter who's driving it. Anything on huge rims is tacky.

If you put huge rims on anything, take note of who gives you the most attention; it's probably not going to come from the kind of people you want it from.

Aesthetically.

tylercamaro

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ive picked my sister up from school in my truck that has 33's............tires that is

DeltaElite121

You can't make that assumption. That car is a lot bigger, and is designed around larger wheels. Put 26 inch wheels on it and it will look equally retarded. Hell, put 17's on it and it will look just as odd. "Ghetto/thugged/whatever else" falls into the category of modifying a car in such a way that makes NO logical sense.. aka: fitting a giant wheel under the car that rubs everywhere you drive it, and the only way to fit it is to chop the fender and quarters. THAT sir, is what he's referring to.

J91

[quote=puma1552;4986774]All you did was confirm what I said. Fifth gens are designed for bigger rims, of course they'd look stupid with smaller rims, just like a thirdgen looks stupid with big rims.



All I've *ever* seen get out of those are drug dealers or people who may as well be. Soccer moms drive mini vans or stock SUVs. I don't see too many soccer moms picking up little Johnny on 30s.

Again, if a Tahoe or Escalade on rims isn't textbook ghetto, what is? An Escalade on rims is about as ghetto as it gets. Every thug's dream.

Doesn't matter if it is some executive living in a gated community, it still makes the thugs salivate and it still looks ghetto, no matter who's driving it. Anything on huge rims is tacky.

If you put huge rims on anything, take note of who gives you the most attention; it's probably not going to come from the kind of people you want it from.



Aesthetically.[/quote
This statement and several others on here are ridiculous! While I am not of fan of bigwheel cars I have 2 clients that I've built very nice cars for, 1 Chevy Impala 1978, and 1, 88 Chevy Caprice, the suspensions and drivetrains were set up properly, nice paint, engines, wheels, interiors tires, etc.
More importantly the young guys who own these cars are not drugdealers or thugs. These guys work hard for a living and scrape their pennies together to build their rides. They are auto enthusiasts just like the rest of us, only into something different than me or you. Man open your eyes and mind a little bit, just cuz' something is different, you don't have to be afraid of it or put a label on it. Hats off to these young guys for driving American V8 cars, at this point in time anyone keeping the american car culture alive, should be looked upon as an enthusiast, not trashed because they are urban and different from you.... Just my 2 cents worth...

Transmetal

^ Well put Sir! Now time to lock this thread.

InfernalVortex

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Excellently stated. I'm in agreement.

Im also pouring down the haterade. But as mentioned, you've got the stance set up right for it. But at the end of the day it still looks kind of ridiculous.

Large wheels, from the beginning, came from racing where shorter sidewalls in combination with larger brakes aided performance. Seems the large wheel trend has gone towards absurdity just like the "wing" trend on imports. Downforce, also has a legitimate underlying purpose, but it's been abused into absurdity on the street.

What's eventually going to happen is that the government will step in and regulate this. They will put limits on what you can and can't do to your car (remember, in many ways they already do) and it will eventually result in mandatory safety inspections.

For 110 years the US government has been able to trust its citizenry to keep their cars safe enough to keep themselves alive in them, but that era is quickly drawing to a close when "style" has become more important than a long, fulfilling life. Mark my words - it will happen.

Then you'll have government mandates restricting wheel, tire, suspension, and chassis modifications, probably to a draconian extent since setting up committees to determine modification limits for every year and model and make of vehicle on the road is just going to cost too much time and money.

1roc89z28

lol its already being enforced... u cant have such a thin tire(becouse it might explode in a bump) but the cops dont realy enforce it , becouse they have bigger **** to worry about...

look some people dont like rims... ok... and most cars do look stupid ugly,ghetto,nasty,horrible when they trow some rims on them... but theres some that actualy look good. but thats my taste and millions out there... its a newer generation, newer style... like for example some people like hot-rods and those type of 50s cars.. personaly i think there fuking ugly ... but im not going to sit here and start bashing people when they do there flame paint jobs on these cars... those are there toys... we dont live forever.. do what u want... its your ride...

Pillsbry10

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speaking of 30 inch rims hahahaha how about some 30s and 28s on a 5th gen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZkm...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Diyas...eature=related

now if you look at it from the perspective of hey im going to use this camaro to actually jump over cars and race through the dirt...its actually pretty mean looking lol.

EvilCartman

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Looks like chit.

adm030

Look at streetactionscarclub they have alot of irocs on 20's up to 24's the ones that are on 22's and lowered look awesome I know it sounds horrible, but it looks good on these cars, they look like show cars, there all the way fixed up you can't just throw some rims on and if you have to lift they look like crap to me as well anyways check them out

the solitaire

It can be done very easily.

"total wheel/tire combination diameter differences of over 2% of the factory equipment require approval of a qualified and government sanctioned technician, as well as a notification in the cars registration papers"

"total track width differences of over 2% of the factory equipment require approval of a qualified and government sanctioned technician, as well as a notification in the cars registration papers"

"Tire width differences of over 10% over or under the default size of the factory equipment require approval of a qualified and government sanctioned technician, as well as a notification in the cars registration papers"

"Reducing ground clearance of the vehicle for more then 10% of the factory specifications requires approval of a qualified and government sanctioned technician, as well as a notification in the cars registration papers"

Takes care of all issues wheel/tire related and is already common practice in some countries. It doesn´t require a database of kinds either. Only car papers that keep track of the stock specs as well as a list of modifications that were approved. Use this in combination with allowing a police officer to revoke the registration papers of any car that differs from stock more then the allowed range, but only after inspection and confirmation by a qualified and government sanctioned (I used this term a lot because having these will be required, and you need a lot of them. At least one shop in every city) technician and any car running non-approved modifications risks being impounded or at least having it´s registration revoked. Cars running in traffic without registration will have to be impounded.

Should be more or less complete now

Sinz86IrocBlk

I've seen the street actions Camaros and I'm sorry but they look like @ss. They are one of the many Camaro youtube videos that have almost made me cry. I think there's a blue Camaro that looks OK. It looks like it sits at stock height, every other car looks jacked or like the wheel it self raises the car height. I can't stand that because they're sports cars for f*cks sake. I can't wait for this trend to die.

InfernalVortex

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You proved my point exactly.

You just cant have a situation where people can go from 15's to decent 18s with government approval without specific guidelines for every make and model. To avoid that they will just make blanket regulations like you came up with. The end result - we all lose our freedom of expression in the name of safety because the same idiots keep spending money on 24 inch wheels instead of keeping their brake system functional.

adm030

Most thirdgens are slow thats why so many cars are done this way theirs a clip on youtube under slammed iroc it looks clean thats the car i was referring to and another car that should be motivation to all thirdgens is sickness91z28.

Transmetal

Sports cars, a 3rd gen? They might be sporty cars but in no way are they sports cars. Stock, our cars are heavy and underpowered I don't think those two words are the definition of a sports car.

1roc89z28

bro you have a rs and 98 gt... enough said

tylercamaro

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ROCITUP

your ride, your statement, i like stocks but thats me, it would be a shitty place if all Camaros were yellow and i could not stand out!! rock on dude!!

Sickness91Z28

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I feel that if your suspension is set up for it & the style of wheel is descent....it's possible to make a 22" wheel look "okay" on a thirdgen. I'm running 19"/20" on mine. If I didn't add the air ride....I would honestly hate it....it looks out of proportion and stupid. But...when I set it at ride height or slam it to the ground..it makes up for it..giving it a completely different look.

If I showed my car like this at a show...I'm sure 95% of people would think it looks completely retarded:


But if it's seen like this....it doesn't even look like the same car.:


I guess my point is...
If you pick a larger wheel...set the suspenion up accordingly. It REALLY makes a huge difference

Anyhow, this thread will probably get locked so my statements or opinions really do not even matter

KnightmareCS

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Sickness, can you post a pic of the second stance, but in the view of the first pic?

blackgloves

count me in as a "hater"

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tylercamaro

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lmao^ i forgot camaros were considered clown cars

92 Camaro

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what a joke. the car, the comment, and kanye; all jokes.

1roc89z28

lol. honestly that car looks ugly. ghetto ****. by the way the quote is by 50 cent (the rat)

tylercamaro

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hahahaha he screwed up his own quote

KMK454

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tylercamaro

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in other words another rapper that cant do anything original so he steals someone elses ideas

kd5icr

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I myself would never do it, I think you pulled it off. As for the guy that likes to use words like ghetto and drug dealer ect... you must live a very shelterd life to think only dopers and the like do this to a car. While I would rather spend the money on a ill-manered over powered gas pig others want BIG rims. He knew a few people would hate but as I read you and another guy or two seem to take it below good taste.
What anybody here does to their car should mean a thing to anybody but the owner. INHO I think 15's are as small as it should go after all they came stock like that and 17's as big as they should go, but it all comes down to your own taste, and I can promise you not everybody will like what you do as well.

theNMBR27

The real problem is starting a thread and putting 'haters hate on' as the first comment. OP do you really have nothing better to do than start fights on the Internet? Your poor attitude and everyone else's here makes us all look bad for owning/driving thirdgens.

Big rims when done tastefully look fine, we don't need to bring social classes into someone's personal choice.